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With 2 rounds of the minor championship played, who are the teams to beat? have we any future stars on show down through the divisions?

longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 324 - 29/08/2019 09:52:38    2230346

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Replying To longroadback:  "With 2 rounds of the minor championship played, who are the teams to beat? have we any future stars on show down through the divisions?"
Colmcilles are the best team in Group 1 - with probably Ratoath followed by Skryne in that order.

Simonstown and Summerhill are way ahead in 2nd group

Simonstown to win it!!

Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 473 - 29/08/2019 14:00:01    2230416

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Wouldn't suggest I'm an expert on the minor scene, but looking at the results so far the number of huge winning margins looks ridiculous. Hard to see how a lot of the games are of any use to either team.

Can teams really be that badly matched at this stage? Have the people who grade the competitions got it all wrong?

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 29/08/2019 14:40:23    2230432

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Replying To Greenfield:  "Wouldn't suggest I'm an expert on the minor scene, but looking at the results so far the number of huge winning margins looks ridiculous. Hard to see how a lot of the games are of any use to either team.

Can teams really be that badly matched at this stage? Have the people who grade the competitions got it all wrong?"
Just had a look at a few of the results down through the divisions and you are right there are some massive differences

Div 3A Longwood/Clonard v wolfe Tones ( 16 pts win for Tones)
Div 2A Kilbride v Kilmainhamwood ( 23pts win for Kilbride )
Div 2B Dunboyne v St Pats ( 24pts win for Dunboyne)
Div 2B O Mahonys v St Vincents/Curraha ( 17 pts win for Mahonys )
Div 3A Bective/Dunsany v Moynalty/Carnaross ( 18 Pts wins for Bective/Dunsany
Div 3B Ballinabrackey v St.Michaels/Nobber ( 22 pts win for Bracks )
Div 3B Killary Emmets v Walterstown ( 16pts win for Killary
Div 4B Dunderry v Na Fianna ( 19pts win for Dunderry )

These results are an average of 20 points defeats which are not of any benefit to either side . it looks like Division 1 is more even

Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 29/08/2019 18:32:59    2230507

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Replying To Bear10:  "Just had a look at a few of the results down through the divisions and you are right there are some massive differences

Div 3A Longwood/Clonard v wolfe Tones ( 16 pts win for Tones)
Div 2A Kilbride v Kilmainhamwood ( 23pts win for Kilbride )
Div 2B Dunboyne v St Pats ( 24pts win for Dunboyne)
Div 2B O Mahonys v St Vincents/Curraha ( 17 pts win for Mahonys )
Div 3A Bective/Dunsany v Moynalty/Carnaross ( 18 Pts wins for Bective/Dunsany
Div 3B Ballinabrackey v St.Michaels/Nobber ( 22 pts win for Bracks )
Div 3B Killary Emmets v Walterstown ( 16pts win for Killary
Div 4B Dunderry v Na Fianna ( 19pts win for Dunderry )

These results are an average of 20 points defeats which are not of any benefit to either side . it looks like Division 1 is more even"
Exactly.
I was just running through the results today and it jumped out.
You can see how there might be gaps at earlier age groups as teams find their level, but when they to minor you'd think they'd be sorted out.

To clarify I have no particular interest in the minor grade this year. Just was curious.

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 29/08/2019 19:26:13    2230516

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Replying To longroadback:  "With 2 rounds of the minor championship played, who are the teams to beat? have we any future stars on show down through the divisions?"
Would imagine most teams have 2 or 3 very strong players no matter what division. The problem for these stronger players is that the pace of the lower divisions can be a lot slower and when players go play adult next year it can be very difficult for them to adjust to senior setups in senior grade teams as opposed to players who play minor in Division 1 especially But every year a couple of players come through and with the right attitude and focus make a clubs second side and eventually go onto first team

Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 29/08/2019 23:11:49    2230557

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Can imagine it is very difficult to grade teams at this level particularly when you have so many amalgamated teams. Even look at division 1 Simonstown considered one of the favourites to win the championship, up to last year this group operated in division 2. Even the clubs don't always know what they have themselves. Its so important to get it right though because player retention is key at this age. There are plenty of other distractions open to lads and really key that they want to play ball and continue to do so

longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 324 - 30/08/2019 11:32:19    2230644

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Replying To Greenfield:  "Exactly.
I was just running through the results today and it jumped out.
You can see how there might be gaps at earlier age groups as teams find their level, but when they to minor you'd think they'd be sorted out.

To clarify I have no particular interest in the minor grade this year. Just was curious."
Very surprised that Dunboyne and O'Mahony's are in Division 2!

Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 473 - 30/08/2019 13:54:47    2230686

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Replying To Royalblufill:  "Very surprised that Dunboyne and O'Mahony's are in Division 2!"
O'Mahonys struggled in Division 2 of the league and Dunboyne lost in the semi final.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 30/08/2019 15:45:52    2230742

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Does anyone know is the minor club competitions going back to u18 next year?? I heard a rumour it was

bobjaffacake (Meath) - Posts: 1400 - 25/09/2019 11:23:06    2239011

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Replying To bobjaffacake:  "Does anyone know is the minor club competitions going back to u18 next year?? I heard a rumour it was"
Haven't heard that anywhere and don't think it would be a good thing.

Minors are now getting plenty of games in their competitions and an excellent structure of a championship which wouldn't be possible if the players were playing adult games at the same time.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 25/09/2019 11:51:19    2239019

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Replying To bobjaffacake:  "Does anyone know is the minor club competitions going back to u18 next year?? I heard a rumour it was"
Would be a terrible decision if it was true. Separating minor and adult is one of the most sensible decisions ever made in the GAA. Minors can now look forward to a regular schedule of games with no conflicts with any adult fixtures and no pressure to try and please too many managers.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 25/09/2019 13:35:48    2239071

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yeah in one way it is correct and good that minors do not have to play adult anymore as was before when it was under 18 and be under pressure to play both, but I think a much bigger issue going forward is the fact that a lot of under 17's this year will not be capable of playing adult football next year . There are a lot of players who are physically not strong enough and these young players could be lost to football especially if they don't play for that year . I still think there should have been an under 18 or 19 league formed to give these young lads a chance. I know in other sports like soccer they formed a youths league for under 18 and it is working really well all summer and will do again next year . There is a similar situation in rugby. I just think it is a large mistake by Meath not to for these leagues and run them properly this time . I think Kildare are staying at under 18 again next year

Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 25/09/2019 14:42:47    2239098

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Replying To Bear10:  "yeah in one way it is correct and good that minors do not have to play adult anymore as was before when it was under 18 and be under pressure to play both, but I think a much bigger issue going forward is the fact that a lot of under 17's this year will not be capable of playing adult football next year . There are a lot of players who are physically not strong enough and these young players could be lost to football especially if they don't play for that year . I still think there should have been an under 18 or 19 league formed to give these young lads a chance. I know in other sports like soccer they formed a youths league for under 18 and it is working really well all summer and will do again next year . There is a similar situation in rugby. I just think it is a large mistake by Meath not to for these leagues and run them properly this time . I think Kildare are staying at under 18 again next year"
Id agree with previous sentiments that the division of adult and underage football is a positive thing. It avoids any issues with scheduling of fixtures and players being forced into playing for multiple teams.

The difference between the other sports and football is that the players on these newly formed age groups are not playing adult games. That is how it can be successful. So if the CB were to introduce a new age group over minor, it would need to exclude players who are playing adult matches, thus avoiding any conflict. This would however put strain an teams who struggle to field as is and would result in multiple teams not fielding and team fore-fitting games which then asks they question why would we do this.

The players who are 18 next year should be well able to play in reserve league matches.
Going back to my day, players were playing reserve league when they were 16. Not saying that was right but it shows that the physical nature is something which can be done at a younger age. There is a massive difference between reserve and 1st team football so by playing reserve it gives them exposure to adult football with less stress and playing 1st team

juicy (Meath) - Posts: 399 - 25/09/2019 15:14:30    2239114

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Replying To juicy:  "Id agree with previous sentiments that the division of adult and underage football is a positive thing. It avoids any issues with scheduling of fixtures and players being forced into playing for multiple teams.

The difference between the other sports and football is that the players on these newly formed age groups are not playing adult games. That is how it can be successful. So if the CB were to introduce a new age group over minor, it would need to exclude players who are playing adult matches, thus avoiding any conflict. This would however put strain an teams who struggle to field as is and would result in multiple teams not fielding and team fore-fitting games which then asks they question why would we do this.

The players who are 18 next year should be well able to play in reserve league matches.
Going back to my day, players were playing reserve league when they were 16. Not saying that was right but it shows that the physical nature is something which can be done at a younger age. There is a massive difference between reserve and 1st team football so by playing reserve it gives them exposure to adult football with less stress and playing 1st team"
From what I remember they have tried an U19 League last year and the year before and ran them at different times of the year as the one in 2017 didn't work.

Then it was a disaster last year as clubs wouldn't play without fellas who were playing first team football so a huge amount of clubs were thrown out for conceding too many games, my own club suffered this.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 25/09/2019 15:21:39    2239117

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It should go from u17 to u20. Scrap the u19 and u21. The change to u17 has been hugely positive.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 26/09/2019 00:21:12    2239257

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Yes. Think the move to U17 has been a positive development. U19 doesn't work. Saw that with clubs failing or unable to field or maybe it was simply the timing of the competition. Those players have Colleges and Club A/B football already possibly even Meath U20 or Junior. Not sure of value or timing of U21 club any more. Move to U20 and change format from straight knockout.

AnFearBan1234 (Meath) - Posts: 110 - 26/09/2019 09:56:32    2239296

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I know it's hurling but didn't want to start a new thread.

It's great to see the minor hurling finals on before the inter and senior finals. Great chance for the young lads to play in Páirc Tailteann which might not happen if Minor was u18 as some players aged 18 could be on the senior panel in clubs.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 26/09/2019 11:19:04    2239331

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Replying To AnFearBan1234:  "Yes. Think the move to U17 has been a positive development. U19 doesn't work. Saw that with clubs failing or unable to field or maybe it was simply the timing of the competition. Those players have Colleges and Club A/B football already possibly even Meath U20 or Junior. Not sure of value or timing of U21 club any more. Move to U20 and change format from straight knockout."
The problem with under 21 (or 20) is that so many lads of that age play for their clubs adult teams and with the season as drawn out as it is - it is hard to fit in a 21s competition.

ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 26/09/2019 12:54:00    2239360

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Was at the Summerhill v Simonstown Div 1 Minor match today.
Tough game with Simonstown winning. Great result for them after their defeat to Donaghmore Ashbourne earlier in the week. Their defence was very good especially the full back and centre back. Centre back was rock solid.This division is tight with Simonstown now on 6 points having played all their games and Summerhill and Asbourne on 4 each with a game to play. Could go down to points difference, but with walkovers today to Ashbourne, is this a fair system.

meathtruandtru (Meath) - Posts: 2 - 28/09/2019 22:59:41    2239913

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