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Replying To Furlong1949: "A criticism I would have of Andy is he has gone more defensive after kildare loss. I think he was shocked win the kildare loss. And the defensive system has developed siince that game. I would like us to play like we did v Derry Fermanagh and louth last year. We went attack from the very start. Yes have a modern defence system. But we need to keep at least two forward up front to take pressure of our backs.
I think we have never being good at tactics. Under Boylan we had one tactic , organised chaos. Everyman fight for every ball. Drive the ball out to the center of field. And quick long ball into forwards. But the game has changed with sweepers blanket defence possession football.m etc. We have not adapted whatsowver. Neitheir have Down or Galway. Meath Down Galway all had sucess fo decades based on traditional game. None have adapted to the changes in football. Kick and catch teams no longer work. Counties that have always played hand passing game Mayo Donegal have adapted more. While kerry and Dublin have always had a hybrid style of handpassing and kick style. We need to get the balance right. Something we havent achieved at any time for the last 15 years. We always fall between handpassing game and our traditional game. Until we sort this out we are going nowhere.
We have failed tactically against the most tactical aware provience in Ulster. Ulster teams have invented modern football tactics. And our record v ulster teams is dreadful. In the past Ulster teams couldnt beat Meath. 14 All Ireland semi final victories over Ulster teams and no losses. In the last 15 years we have been beaten 7 times knocked out of championship by Ulster. In the last few years in 2013 Tyrone 2014 Armagh 2015 Tyrone 2016 Derry 2017 Donegal have knocked us out. We have only had 1 decent win in Ulster in the league in the last 6 or 7 years and that was Down in 2015 in Newry. So we have an Ulster problem.
Until we start beaten Ulster teams this is a problem. And if Donegal and Tyrone get relegated with could have them and Armagh Cavan Derry and Down in div 2 next year. Imagine that, it would be a mini ulster championship.
The problem with Ulster teams our strenght and conditioning is poor compared to them. Ulster teams our very strong. And in the tackle we always seem to loose possesion. Their defensive systems always seem to thwart us. Our traditional game doesnt work anymore. It is not fit for purpose.
We as a county have never done tactics much. I don't think this is Andy strongest area. He is more a man manager. That is good as all the great managers are more man managers eg Boylan Dwyer and Cody.
But also all our recent managers have been not being great tacticans. The only one I tbought was Banty. I thought breaking ball and tactics were better. There was some horror shows under Banty eg Louth in 2012. But having a top class ulster coach like Paul Grimley helped. Galway seem to be better this year and they have brought in an Ulster ciach from Tyrone 03 team and its working. Maybe we should try that.
Brian Mciver or James Mcarten or McNultys from Armagh our name of the top of my head. Until we get the system balanced between a strong modern defence system and modern forward attack style, a modern kickout strategy and breaking ball strategy we are going to find progress slow. This is the one area that is holding us back. It will take time. But when the players gets physically stronger in mid 20s we will progress. But tactics is an area Andy needs to improve. It one area Meath teams have failed to get to grip since 2001." Can't argue with much of that. Realistically bringing in a top class Ulster coach would mean Gerry exiting the scene. Does Andy have a McEntee problem!?
Obviously a lot of ball to be played still but D2 next year could be a scary prospect, it's imperative we get out of D2 this year when it's weak.
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Replying To Furlong1949: "A criticism I would have of Andy is he has gone more defensive after kildare loss. I think he was shocked win the kildare loss. And the defensive system has developed siince that game. I would like us to play like we did v Derry Fermanagh and louth last year. We went attack from the very start. Yes have a modern defence system. But we need to keep at least two forward up front to take pressure of our backs.
I think we have never being good at tactics. Under Boylan we had one tactic , organised chaos. Everyman fight for every ball. Drive the ball out to the center of field. And quick long ball into forwards. But the game has changed with sweepers blanket defence possession football.m etc. We have not adapted whatsowver. Neitheir have Down or Galway. Meath Down Galway all had sucess fo decades based on traditional game. None have adapted to the changes in football. Kick and catch teams no longer work. Counties that have always played hand passing game Mayo Donegal have adapted more. While kerry and Dublin have always had a hybrid style of handpassing and kick style. We need to get the balance right. Something we havent achieved at any time for the last 15 years. We always fall between handpassing game and our traditional game. Until we sort this out we are going nowhere.
We have failed tactically against the most tactical aware provience in Ulster. Ulster teams have invented modern football tactics. And our record v ulster teams is dreadful. In the past Ulster teams couldnt beat Meath. 14 All Ireland semi final victories over Ulster teams and no losses. In the last 15 years we have been beaten 7 times knocked out of championship by Ulster. In the last few years in 2013 Tyrone 2014 Armagh 2015 Tyrone 2016 Derry 2017 Donegal have knocked us out. We have only had 1 decent win in Ulster in the league in the last 6 or 7 years and that was Down in 2015 in Newry. So we have an Ulster problem.
Until we start beaten Ulster teams this is a problem. And if Donegal and Tyrone get relegated with could have them and Armagh Cavan Derry and Down in div 2 next year. Imagine that, it would be a mini ulster championship.
The problem with Ulster teams our strenght and conditioning is poor compared to them. Ulster teams our very strong. And in the tackle we always seem to loose possesion. Their defensive systems always seem to thwart us. Our traditional game doesnt work anymore. It is not fit for purpose.
We as a county have never done tactics much. I don't think this is Andy strongest area. He is more a man manager. That is good as all the great managers are more man managers eg Boylan Dwyer and Cody.
But also all our recent managers have been not being great tacticans. The only one I tbought was Banty. I thought breaking ball and tactics were better. There was some horror shows under Banty eg Louth in 2012. But having a top class ulster coach like Paul Grimley helped. Galway seem to be better this year and they have brought in an Ulster ciach from Tyrone 03 team and its working. Maybe we should try that.
Brian Mciver or James Mcarten or McNultys from Armagh our name of the top of my head. Until we get the system balanced between a strong modern defence system and modern forward attack style, a modern kickout strategy and breaking ball strategy we are going to find progress slow. This is the one area that is holding us back. It will take time. But when the players gets physically stronger in mid 20s we will progress. But tactics is an area Andy needs to improve. It one area Meath teams have failed to get to grip since 2001." Its not just Meath teams that have had a poor record v Ulster team, everyone has. Prior to 1990 Ulster teams were yearly beaten by leinster and Munster teams. After early 1990s Ulster has become the best provience with 5 counties winning All Irelands to Leinsters and Munster 2 counties and Connacht 1 county winning Sam. It has produced great team great managers great players and the best tactics. Dublin couldnt beat Ulster teams in 90s and 00s. This decade Dublin are now beating Ulster teams regularly. Kerry couldnt beat Ulster teams in 00s. Again this decade kerry are now beating Ulster teams. Munster and Connacht teams have have a poor record v Ulster teams recently also.
But leinster after Duhlin has a very poor record v Ulster teams. It not just Meath all the counties in leinster. Especially kildare also have a dreadul record v Ulster. Meath have lost to Ulster opposition this season , kildare have lost to Ulster twice this year. In the last 15 years Meath have been knocked out of the All Ireland championship 7 times by Ulster teams. In the last 15 years kildare have been knocked out of the All Ireland championship 7 times by Ulster teams also. Whichever of these counties improve and start beating Ulster teams consistently in the next few years will be the county that probaly has more sucess.
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Replying To Analyst: "The above coukd be applied to every team that plays gaa. A management teams job is to get the best out of what is available to them. Unfortunately for the last couple of Meath managers the public expectation has been totally unrealistic. I know there are a bunch of Andy cheerleaders here who will go to extremes to stand up for him and who will at all costs defend him. The man is doing his best as did the previous manager but the elephant in the room that very very few seem to see is that the quality of players are simply not in Meath at this time. The players are not trying yo p@@s anybody off and they are all putting jn huge time and effort along with everyone else. Normally these posts are about the manager being wrong, first time in a while i seen players being blamed" I disagress we do have the quality of players we are just so inconsistant and that has to be p*****g Andy off. The effort the lads are putting in is 2nd to none. We have some top class players but if they mentally arent in it we may forget progression.
Loyalroyal17 (Meath) - Posts: 627 - 24/02/2018 07:50:57
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Meath are not releasing their starting team until 20minutes before throw-in tonight. Very bad form and shows a complete lack of respect to us travelling fans.
RoylerKing (Meath) - Posts: 809 - 24/02/2018 10:11:50
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Can not see reason behind not releasing team, what advantage can they hope to gain?
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2142 - 24/02/2018 10:26:17
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Ah give over will yee......ya know the team bar 2 or 3 possitions ....any excuse to complain. I suppose if we lose it'll be because a team wasn't released. A win is the only thing that matters....end of.
southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 889 - 24/02/2018 11:20:45
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Not realising the team suggests to me that Meath are not certain of their match-ups and also indicates that the team and formation set-up is easily readable and countered.
Why not name a team and then apply the changes
Royalio11 (Meath) - Posts: 757 - 24/02/2018 11:21:49
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Replying To seadog54: "Can not see reason behind not releasing team, what advantage can they hope to gain?" Probably waiting on lads to see if they pass a run out. I don't really care, yes it would be nice to know, but really once they all committed to the jersey and give 100% what does it really matter. We going to see Meath field the best team possible to beat a tipp team who are fav to win.
Best wishes to Andy Brian and all the lads who will give their all this evening.
Hon the royal
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/02/2018 11:24:11
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Replying To Loyalroyal17: "I disagress we do have the quality of players we are just so inconsistant and that has to be p*****g Andy off. The effort the lads are putting in is 2nd to none. We have some top class players but if they mentally arent in it we may forget progression." Top class players? Really? Apart from Dónal Keoghan, name one top class player we have? And Jesus don't say Ben Brennan or Graham Reilly.
Fyi a top class player is Michael Murphy or Diarmuid Connolly.
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1318 - 24/02/2018 11:35:49
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Replying To Crinigan: "Top class players? Really? Apart from Dónal Keoghan, name one top class player we have? And Jesus don't say Ben Brennan or Graham Reilly.
Fyi a top class player is Michael Murphy or Diarmuid Connolly." Of course Meath are puting in a big effort Loyal but sadly the quality of players, with the exception of Keoghan, is sadly not there.
It's make or break in terms of promotion tonight. Andy has openly stated that we've targeted Division1 football next year so anything less will be seen as a failure.
RoylerKing (Meath) - Posts: 809 - 24/02/2018 11:48:56
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Replying To Royalio11: "Not realising the team suggests to me that Meath are not certain of their match-ups and also indicates that the team and formation set-up is easily readable and countered.
Why not name a team and then apply the changes" I naming the team, then putting out a different one, not in effect the same thing as not naming it in the first place???
Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6342 - 24/02/2018 12:04:21
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From last game goalie was dodgy on kick outs made one great save. Full back line were exposed hope not see that tonight. Half back line were good goin forward but loose overall.midfield tried hard need big game from there.forwards to deep out the field need at least 2 lads in full forward positions will this happen that's the question on everyone's lips.loose here forget bout div 1
Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 24/02/2018 14:13:00
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What frustrated me last day was mcentees change in tactics first half.......vs roscommon and Clare kept lads further back....a bit more cagey so as to avoid exactly what happened in first half vs Cavan......stay in the game then blitz teams with superior fitness. That Cavan game needed that badly. Instead 1 7 to 2 pts after 25 mins.....cavan doing exactly what he set the team out to prevent in first half of 2 previous games. He badly needs to go back to that tonight. I dont care if we only score 4 points in firat half if other team only score 4 5 or 6.
southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 889 - 24/02/2018 15:16:33
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Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 24/02/2018 15:35:59
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Replying To Loyalroyal17: "I disagress we do have the quality of players we are just so inconsistant and that has to be p*****g Andy off. The effort the lads are putting in is 2nd to none. We have some top class players but if they mentally arent in it we may forget progression." Ok so tell me how many of our players would make the kerry or mayo team ? Even if leinster had a team and the dubs were unavailable how many from meath would make it
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Replying To Barney123: "At least 3 changes I hear" Anyone else hear that Mickey Burke is back tonight?
Footnote (Meath) - Posts: 66 - 24/02/2018 17:16:23
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Replying To Footnote: "Anyone else hear that Mickey Burke is back tonight?" Im guessing Burke lenihan and Rooney will play or Toibin will start. I havent heard only guessing.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 24/02/2018 17:31:57
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ClashofTheAsh13 (Meath) - Posts: 31 - 24/02/2018 18:32:34
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Its not just Meath teams that have had a poor record v Ulster team, everyone has. Prior to 1990 Ulster teams were yearly beaten by leinster and Munster teams. After early 1990s Ulster has become the best provience with 5 counties winning All Irelands to Leinsters and Munster 2 counties and Connacht 1 county winning Sam. It has produced great team great managers great players and the best tactics. Dublin couldnt beat Ulster teams in 90s and 00s. This decade Dublin are now beating Ulster teams regularly. Kerry couldnt beat Ulster teams in 00s. Again this decade kerry are now beating Ulster teams. Munster and Connacht teams have have a poor record v Ulster teams recently also.
But leinster after Duhlin has a very poor record v Ulster teams. It not just Meath all the counties in leinster. Especially kildare also have a dreadul record v Ulster. Meath have lost to Ulster opposition this season , kildare have lost to Ulster twice this year. In the last 15 years Meath have been knocked out of the All Ireland championship 7 times by Ulster teams. In the last 15 years kildare have been knocked out of the All Ireland championship 7 times by Ulster teams also. Whichever of these counties improve and start beating Ulster teams consistently in the next few years will be the county that probaly has more sucess." I enjoy your posts Furlong, and your GAA knowledge but just to put Kildare's championship record Kildare against Ulster teams into perspective, in the last 10 years, Kildare have knocked out Ulster teams in the championship a total of 8 times: Antrim, Down, Monaghan, Fermanagh, Cavan twice and Derry twice.
lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 24/02/2018 18:35:37
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