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We sound like a pub team here trying to get a team together for a Sunday morning match. It should always be a privilege to wear the county jersey and to represent your club. i believe it sounds crazy to go out knocking on the doors of some of these sunshine footballers...

What do you hope to achieve at this stage?

I firmly believe that Finbar Reilly either has no say on what goes on or that he is not the man to have on the line. I see we have no shortages of phone earpiece headsets. Who calls the shots here? Who are they?

I would also think that we would have lost some players that were togged out on the bench on Sunday. Players that were there in January training - playing in the McKenna Cup Games.

I would like to know. What was the Co. Board 3 to 5 year plan for appointing a Manager going forward? What was the Plan for Cavan Senior football going forward?

Martin McHugh for me was the only man that brought us up another level at Senior level. I appreciate that was then not now. Peter Donnelly from Tyrone was another guy that got the best out of our U21's.

I really hope that iwe dont have to wait as long again to see the Cavan Jersey in Croke Park or supporting our team .......

upandcomingblue (Cavan) - Posts: 37 - 04/04/2017 18:57:51    1975654

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "Agreed. This time last year after the Galway match the Celt ran a banner headline 'Back Where We Belong'.
They may reprint it this week"
@sidelineview !!. You were at the match last Sunday ??. As a Roscommon who attended the match Sunday I knew after the first 10 minutes we had this game bagged. Our work rate was far better and options up the front was better than cavans. Yes we missed a few goal chances and 9/10 wides in the first half alone. Had we any direction up front at all the game would have been over as a contest by half time. Yer in here saying cavan played poor ? It was the effort the roscommon players put in to keep ye out and we did a pretty good job on that . So the sore line at the end flattered ye but their was NO way " Roscommon " was their for the taking . Daft remark!.

john1971 (Roscommon) - Posts: 185 - 04/04/2017 19:11:54    1975665

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "Sorry Ned, Myself and DeanMartin have been making those exact same points time and time again, and we got ridiculed for it. The Anglo Celt and Northern Sound have a great habit of sensationalising Cavan Football week in & week out, and it as never more particular than under Terry's reign.
Last years headline 'back where we belong', fine if we were playing Division one football regularly over the last 20 yrs, but we weren't. They should actually use that headline this week, because Division Two is exactly where we belong.

But Ive also said it, the club scene, regardless of amalgamations, needs a total revamp, league football in Cavan is no longer competitive, when you go 50/60 days between Round 5 and Round 6/7/8, theres a drastic problem that needs fixing."
if you believe that we belong in division 2 then you must be happy right now. So you have nothing to complain about really, have you ?

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 04/04/2017 19:44:40    1975688

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Replying To s goldrick:  "if you believe that we belong in division 2 then you must be happy right now. So you have nothing to complain about really, have you ?"
Do you believe we belong in Division one? who do you think deserved to go down instead of us?

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 05/04/2017 09:49:30    1975889

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "Do you believe we belong in Division one? who do you think deserved to go down instead of us?"
Hopefully we will bounce straight back up but overall we did deserve to go down.
Our scoring averages are very poor. Averaging 11/12 points a game is not good enough to keep any team in Div 1.
We have 8 weeks to the championship . Hopefully with drier pitches and more ball work the team will show improvement.
Mattie knows Monaghan football well from his time there and a win against them could set us up for an Ulster final appearance .
The odds were always stacked against us for staying in Div 1 but the experience might stand to us only if we can make a quick return there.

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 05/04/2017 11:49:31    1975946

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I agree, we deserved to go down.

The biggest issue we had during the league is that we had no settled team. The manager kept changing players positions and the players themselves were not comfortable with that. You don't see the big teams do this. Maybe the manager needed to get to know the players; however, at this level he should have a background team in place to assist with this.

Never easy to bounce back up. Need to be competing in division 1 to be beat the big teams on the days that count.

McGiolla (Cavan) - Posts: 42 - 05/04/2017 13:46:12    1976001

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "Hopefully we will bounce straight back up but overall we did deserve to go down.
Our scoring averages are very poor. Averaging 11/12 points a game is not good enough to keep any team in Div 1.
We have 8 weeks to the championship . Hopefully with drier pitches and more ball work the team will show improvement.
Mattie knows Monaghan football well from his time there and a win against them could set us up for an Ulster final appearance .
The odds were always stacked against us for staying in Div 1 but the experience might stand to us only if we can make a quick return there."
It was always going to be a big ask to stay up but Donegal, Monaghan and Tyrone have been relegated in recent years and got back up. Its far from the end of the world and being in the mix to stay up on the last day is a fair achievement when we were favorites to go down anyway. Monaghan looked very good against the Dubs but fell apart in the last few minutes. The pace and intensity of Division 1 will stand to us going into the championship (presuming its Monaghan). Its a massive rivalry, there is never too much in it, the lads will be hurting from the Roscommon game, plus we are due a win against them!!!!!

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 05/04/2017 14:16:43    1976009

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Replying To McGiolla:  "I agree, we deserved to go down.

The biggest issue we had during the league is that we had no settled team. The manager kept changing players positions and the players themselves were not comfortable with that. You don't see the big teams do this. Maybe the manager needed to get to know the players; however, at this level he should have a background team in place to assist with this.

Never easy to bounce back up. Need to be competing in division 1 to be beat the big teams on the days that count."
The manager is new in the job he's got to try different players in different positions. He's only had 10 games.
If he's no settled team after 4 and a half years like the last man then we can moan.

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 05/04/2017 14:57:11    1976023

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You can have great players, gifted by their skills, have great physical shape and determination BUT if they haven't the brain for football then you wont go far with them. Players fouling in the wrong areas and giving away free kicks at crucial times and in the wrong areas and getting black and red cards constantly is not going to win many competitions. Lack of composure cost us dearly in the league.
A lot of lads need to be worked with on the mental side of their game.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 05/04/2017 15:18:54    1976036

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Replying To john1971:  "@sidelineview !!. You were at the match last Sunday ??. As a Roscommon who attended the match Sunday I knew after the first 10 minutes we had this game bagged. Our work rate was far better and options up the front was better than cavans. Yes we missed a few goal chances and 9/10 wides in the first half alone. Had we any direction up front at all the game would have been over as a contest by half time. Yer in here saying cavan played poor ? It was the effort the roscommon players put in to keep ye out and we did a pretty good job on that . So the sore line at the end flattered ye but their was NO way " Roscommon " was their for the taking . Daft remark!."
Yep I was at the game and actually it was Roscommon supporters beside us that said Roscommon were there for the taking - their words not mine such was the standard on show it was anyone's guess as to who would win.

Cavan played poorly especially in the second half, but incredibly went 3 points up (after the goal for 50 seconds anyway) and still were in with a shout of getting something from the game at the end taking into account that it was away from home, a man down at the end and all our go to men were having an off day.

Regarding wides, we had as many if not more than Roscommon on the day and add in the number of shots that dropped into the keepers hands and we certainly had enough chances to take something from the game.

Roscommon to their credit were hungrier on the day and won by an odd few points but it was the lack of hunger, fitness in some cases and missed opportunities that contributed to a lackluster performance from Cavan which was not going to be good enough. After the goal we should have kicked on but as has been discussed on here there was something lacking and we let ye back into the game straight away.

Perhaps playing the 4 weeks in a row didn't help - it didn't seem to help Tyrone either who lost their last 2 games

sidelineview (Cavan) - Posts: 109 - 05/04/2017 15:46:45    1976046

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "Do you believe we belong in Division one? who do you think deserved to go down instead of us?"
I don't believe we "belong" in either division. You end up where you deserve to be for that particular season. We deserved to be in Division 1 this year as our performances last year merited it. Now this year most people thought that 6 points might keep us up but where those 6 points were going to come from was a difficult question. When you looked at the opposition, you couldn't see us getting anything from: Dublin,Kerry,Mayo,Tyrone.
perhaps we could get victories over Roscommon and maybe get something out of the Monaghan and Donegal games. As it transpired We did get a point from Monaghan, we exceeded expectations against Mayo and Kerry. Donegal were vastly improved from last year and we deservedly got nothing from them, However The final game against Roscommon was a massive let down, So we proved that we could live with some of the big boys but we couldn't sustain that level over 7 games. What was the reason ? , was it our training methods, was it the constant changing of personnel and positional switches, ? . No Doubt these contributed , also leaving ourselves short of players for the last 10 minutes v Roscommon is in-excusable (given that the same mistake was made earlier in the campaign). In the end 6 points would not have been enough to keep us up but that final game v Roscommon put a real dampner on the whole league. If we had won that , I think we could have looked back on the spring with some pride but not now. That was a serious drawback. So Let's see how we get on next year in Div 2. (I really don't give a monkey's about the championship as it is a seriously flawed competition, the league is the only barometer of where a team is at).

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 05/04/2017 16:00:15    1976054

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Replying To sidelineview:  "Yep I was at the game and actually it was Roscommon supporters beside us that said Roscommon were there for the taking - their words not mine such was the standard on show it was anyone's guess as to who would win.

Cavan played poorly especially in the second half, but incredibly went 3 points up (after the goal for 50 seconds anyway) and still were in with a shout of getting something from the game at the end taking into account that it was away from home, a man down at the end and all our go to men were having an off day.

Regarding wides, we had as many if not more than Roscommon on the day and add in the number of shots that dropped into the keepers hands and we certainly had enough chances to take something from the game.

Roscommon to their credit were hungrier on the day and won by an odd few points but it was the lack of hunger, fitness in some cases and missed opportunities that contributed to a lackluster performance from Cavan which was not going to be good enough. After the goal we should have kicked on but as has been discussed on here there was something lacking and we let ye back into the game straight away.

Perhaps playing the 4 weeks in a row didn't help - it didn't seem to help Tyrone either who lost their last 2 games"
it would be interesting to know what training was done between the Kerry game and the Roscommon game. Our level of fitness seemed to change dramatically especially from the Mayo game (when we looked really fit right to the end). Do we really need any physical training between those last 2 games ?

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 05/04/2017 16:10:30    1976059

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Replying To s goldrick:  "it would be interesting to know what training was done between the Kerry game and the Roscommon game. Our level of fitness seemed to change dramatically especially from the Mayo game (when we looked really fit right to the end). Do we really need any physical training between those last 2 games ?"
I think it's a mixture of things - we were probably training like mad but perhaps we took our eye of the ball too - the rossies hadn't won a game and we were expected to win this one, maybe there was complacency from the players. Anytime Cavan are expected to win we either struggle to win or lose ... that Waterford game a number of years ago in the league still sticks out in the mind! We are better as underdogs which will certainly be the case against probably Monaghan in June - but if the lads can't get up for that game at home in front of a big crowd then we are goosed ...

sidelineview (Cavan) - Posts: 109 - 05/04/2017 16:32:37    1976074

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Replying To john1971: "@sidelineview !!. You were at the match last Sunday ??. As a Roscommon who attended the match Sunday I knew after the first 10 minutes we had this game bagged. Our work rate was far better and options up the front was better than cavans. Yes we missed a few goal chances and 9/10 wides in the first half alone. Had we any direction up front at all the game would have been over as a contest by half time. Yer in here saying cavan played poor ? It was the effort the roscommon players put in to keep ye out and we did a pretty good job on that . So the sore line at the end flattered ye but their was NO way " Roscommon " was their for the taking . Daft remark!."
Yep I was at the game and actually it was Roscommon supporters beside us that said Roscommon were there for the taking - their words not mine such was the standard on show it was anyone's guess as to who would win.

Cavan played poorly especially in the second half, but incredibly went 3 points up (after the goal for 50 seconds anyway) and still were in with a shout of getting something from the game at the end taking into account that it was away from home, a man down at the end and all our go to men were having an off day.

Regarding wides, we had as many if not more than Roscommon on the day and add in the number of shots that dropped into the keepers hands and we certainly had enough chances to take something from the game.

Roscommon to their credit were hungrier on the day and won by an odd few points but it was the lack of hunger, fitness in some cases and missed opportunities that contributed to a lackluster performance from Cavan which was not going to be good enough. After the goal we should have kicked on but as has been discussed on here there was something lacking and we let ye back into the game straight away.

Perhaps playing the 4 weeks in a row didn't help - it didn't seem to help Tyrone either who lost their last 2 games

sidelineview (Cavan) - Posts:93 - 05/04/2017 15:46:45 19760

Lads you have to acknowledge the facts. Roscommon have a few top quality forwards while Cavan don't have a single one. Real football people in Cavan know this. Rossies know they have the beating of Cavan any day of the week as long as they are reasonably well set up in defence & midfield. Don't blame Mattie for your lack of even one decent forward.

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 05/04/2017 17:09:35    1976088

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The shelbourne dude from Monaghan is right. We actually don't have one reliable forward.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 05/04/2017 17:31:27    1976098

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Replying To Shelbourne:  "Replying To john1971: "@sidelineview !!. You were at the match last Sunday ??. As a Roscommon who attended the match Sunday I knew after the first 10 minutes we had this game bagged. Our work rate was far better and options up the front was better than cavans. Yes we missed a few goal chances and 9/10 wides in the first half alone. Had we any direction up front at all the game would have been over as a contest by half time. Yer in here saying cavan played poor ? It was the effort the roscommon players put in to keep ye out and we did a pretty good job on that . So the sore line at the end flattered ye but their was NO way " Roscommon " was their for the taking . Daft remark!."
Yep I was at the game and actually it was Roscommon supporters beside us that said Roscommon were there for the taking - their words not mine such was the standard on show it was anyone's guess as to who would win.

Cavan played poorly especially in the second half, but incredibly went 3 points up (after the goal for 50 seconds anyway) and still were in with a shout of getting something from the game at the end taking into account that it was away from home, a man down at the end and all our go to men were having an off day.

Regarding wides, we had as many if not more than Roscommon on the day and add in the number of shots that dropped into the keepers hands and we certainly had enough chances to take something from the game.

Roscommon to their credit were hungrier on the day and won by an odd few points but it was the lack of hunger, fitness in some cases and missed opportunities that contributed to a lackluster performance from Cavan which was not going to be good enough. After the goal we should have kicked on but as has been discussed on here there was something lacking and we let ye back into the game straight away.

Perhaps playing the 4 weeks in a row didn't help - it didn't seem to help Tyrone either who lost their last 2 games

sidelineview (Cavan) - Posts:93 - 05/04/2017 15:46:45 19760

Lads you have to acknowledge the facts. Roscommon have a few top quality forwards while Cavan don't have a single one. Real football people in Cavan know this. Rossies know they have the beating of Cavan any day of the week as long as they are reasonably well set up in defence & midfield. Don't blame Mattie for your lack of even one decent forward."
Coming from Monaghan I don't think ye are blessed with too many top class forwards yourselves - obviously McManus being the exception - and before you go on about McCarron, one swallow doesn't make a summer ... If he is consistently scoring for a couple of seasons then we may increase your "top class forward" count to 2.

The Rossie forwards were not much better than Cavan on Sunday - I think they are missing a few so when they are back then perhaps they will be more potent.

Getting back to Cavan forwards, I think most sane people are in agreement that we lack a scoring edge - Johnston when at the peak of his powers was a decent forward however losing the likes of Givney and Keating hasn't helped but they are not there so it is what it is ... Going forward I'd like to see McVitty kept up front as he can score - he has shown that in the last few games. Perhaps madden can develop into a top forward only time will tell and when Macky is fully fit I think most will agree he is pretty handy.

sidelineview (Cavan) - Posts: 109 - 05/04/2017 17:32:37    1976099

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Aw please tell me that we are not starting this 'no decent forwards' nonsense again??????

They don't grow on tree's do they? What can we do, contact an Aussie Rules team and try to poach an AFL star to Cavan and turn him into a top forward?? This is getting old. We have what we have and that's how it is. People go on here like we should have a McManus but we don't and then look to blame Terry, Mattie or the county board for this. I appreciate that emotions are running high on here after relegation and a hiding in the U21 but we need to have a reality check on here.

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 06/04/2017 10:47:45    1976401

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Replying To Reformation:  "Aw please tell me that we are not starting this 'no decent forwards' nonsense again??????

They don't grow on tree's do they? What can we do, contact an Aussie Rules team and try to poach an AFL star to Cavan and turn him into a top forward?? This is getting old. We have what we have and that's how it is. People go on here like we should have a McManus but we don't and then look to blame Terry, Mattie or the county board for this. I appreciate that emotions are running high on here after relegation and a hiding in the U21 but we need to have a reality check on here."
Aw please tell me that we are not starting this 'no decent forwards' nonsense again??????

They don't grow on tree's do they? What can we do, contact an Aussie Rules team and try to poach an AFL star to Cavan and turn him into a top forward?? This is getting old. We have what we have and that's how it is. People go on here like we should have a McManus but we don't and then look to blame Terry, Mattie or the county board for this. I appreciate that emotions are running high on here after relegation and a hiding in the U21 but we need to have a reality check on here.

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts:273 - 06/04/2017 10:47:45 1976401

When Mr Carr and Mr Lynch took over the seniors we had plenty players capable of scoring but from the negative S***E came into the game they are not wanted are they. There are several out there today as well but can they fit into the negative game I don't think so. At club level the only team I saw playing some form of open football were Ramor. Currently on the county team we have players that can score but sadly it's very hard to run a 100 meters and pop a ball over the net unless you are extremely fit. Unless you use the supporting player that's running off you well it's very difficult.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 06/04/2017 14:13:36    1976514

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It's clubs that produce players not the county. Can anyone name anyone that's in the county that's not had a chance and deserves one? Forwards I'm talking about.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 06/04/2017 17:37:58    1976603

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "It's clubs that produce players not the county. Can anyone name anyone that's in the county that's not had a chance and deserves one? Forwards I'm talking about."
No.

I made the same point in january. The best of what is in Cavan (and is available) is or has been on the county panel.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5194 - 06/04/2017 18:01:47    1976616

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