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Cavan Minor And U20s 2022

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The U21 Championship (now u20) was never treated with much respect by the GAA top brass… even County boards all over the country treat it with contempt…. Putting games on at all times and issuing a "play or concede " attitude to games if they clashed with a senior fixture… It wouldn't be a grade that many counties would see as important to gain titles at…rather using it to develop players for senior level… I think the Cavan /Galway final might have been the only one played in Croke park as a curtain raiser to that season's Hurling league Final…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 11/04/2022 16:35:04    2410563

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Under age titles don't mean a whole lot if you are not producing good enough players for to compete at senior level…. We didn't get one decent scoring forward out of those 4 winning teams ( Garoid played but mostly midfield) and how could we with the type of football we played… Galway and Roscommon destroyed us with attacking football but we ran Dublin close by sitting the whole game in defence… It was woeful to watch….. Tyrone lost two of those finals but won multiple senior Ulster titles after… we got one…. All I'm saying is let the players express themselves at this age and don't be hung up on winning a title playing rubbish football ( not saying this team do that)…. When Kerry lost the minor final to Derry I think…Colm Cooper said he wasn't that disappointed as he said 3/4 players performing to a standard that could improve the senior team in a couple of years …. That's what it's all about at minor and now U20 level… winning a title is nice but the real bonus for progressive counties is if they can produce 3/4 players to move to the next level and therefore moving the senior team to the next level… Our senior team for the most part fell through the floor after winning Ulster (U21) 4 years in a row….. 1 Ulster title and the embarrassment of relegation to division 4 shortly afterwards was a poor reward for those 4 wins….but some seem very happy with that…"
Sweet Jesus. Only a "cavan fan" (term used extremely loosely) could come up with this about our record breaking 4 in a row, our first titles at that grade in 15 years which did produce the players that brought Cavan from a team hanging at the bottom of Div3, to Div1 and eventually Ulster Champions. How perverse so you have to be to think like this.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 11/04/2022 16:40:54    2410565

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Replying To fredflint:  "Sweet Jesus. Only a "cavan fan" (term used extremely loosely) could come up with this about our record breaking 4 in a row, our first titles at that grade in 15 years which did produce the players that brought Cavan from a team hanging at the bottom of Div3, to Div1 and eventually Ulster Champions. How perverse so you have to be to think like this."
I've been saying it about this fella for a while, never a decent word from him

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 11/04/2022 18:53:16    2410578

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "RHF…. Again like the other lad you are missing the point…. I never gave out about their style of play as I have not seen them in action yet… I was simply saying that I hope their way of playing football is better than what is going on at senior level… If they are being coached to play a slow lateral passing game like the seniors then it's a waste of time.. If that's too hard to understand then I pity your level of intelligence…!!!"
But you did give out about it though, and then gave put about our 4 in a row Ulster's. It's just telling that the first thing you start going on about is style of play, and a generally negative post, when you haven't even seen them. It's like you've made your mind up already and you've your argument set to it already. Why not wait until you actually see them, then say some constructive? But it's par for the course with you to be negative, and it's all the more laughable when you haven't even seen the lads play. Come on now...

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 11/04/2022 18:58:03    2410580

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "But you did give out about it though, and then gave put about our 4 in a row Ulster's. It's just telling that the first thing you start going on about is style of play, and a generally negative post, when you haven't even seen them. It's like you've made your mind up already and you've your argument set to it already. Why not wait until you actually see them, then say some constructive? But it's par for the course with you to be negative, and it's all the more laughable when you haven't even seen the lads play. Come on now..."
Again I have to say …. I hope this team have a better way of playing football than the senior team… I am not giving out about them as I have not seen them playing yet… don't be putting words in my mouth to suit your own agenda… Do you honestly think that the current way the senior team is set up and play the game is the way forward for Cavan football…. It's a simple yes/no answer… I haven't come across any supporter who is happy with it… are you …?

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 11/04/2022 20:52:23    2410590

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Again I have to say …. I hope this team have a better way of playing football than the senior team… I am not giving out about them as I have not seen them playing yet… don't be putting words in my mouth to suit your own agenda… Do you honestly think that the current way the senior team is set up and play the game is the way forward for Cavan football…. It's a simple yes/no answer… I haven't come across any supporter who is happy with it… are you …?"
I think you need to go back an reread your post from the other morning, and the follow up yesterday to see what you actually said. And no, I'm not fully happy. If anything, I'm very annoyed, as at times in the last few years we've shown we can setup and play a very nice brand of football. We've done it in 10 minute spurts here and there, but nowhere close to the likes of 50 or so minutes for what it takes to put in a big performance and win big games. That's what annoys me. The optimist in me is hoping that we can let loose a bit in Championship, as we have shown at times we can play really good football when we want to.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 12/04/2022 11:12:51    2410634

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Anyway, you're moving very far away from what this thread is for. Lets keep the Senior team talk to their thread. mad we're in a final, and you're in here poisoning the good feeling with your chat when you've not even seen them. Drop it

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 12/04/2022 11:16:59    2410635

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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "RHF…. Again like the other lad you are missing the point…. I never gave out about their style of play as I have not seen them in action yet… I was simply saying that I hope their way of playing football is better than what is going on at senior level… If they are being coached to play a slow lateral passing game like the seniors then it's a waste of time.. If that's too hard to understand then I pity your level of intelligence…!!!"

What are your thoughts on the actual game anyway? It's been over 3 days so i presume you have had a chance to take a look if you have any interest in it ?

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 878 - 12/04/2022 11:55:49    2410642

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "I think you need to go back an reread your post from the other morning, and the follow up yesterday to see what you actually said. And no, I'm not fully happy. If anything, I'm very annoyed, as at times in the last few years we've shown we can setup and play a very nice brand of football. We've done it in 10 minute spurts here and there, but nowhere close to the likes of 50 or so minutes for what it takes to put in a big performance and win big games. That's what annoys me. The optimist in me is hoping that we can let loose a bit in Championship, as we have shown at times we can play really good football when we want to."
I can understand your annoyance but I think this type of football is now ingrained in the Cavan set up and it's very hard to change that…. You are right they can play quick forward moving football but it a rarity and they too often return to type… My worry would be if this team was doing the same thing… And please let me point out that I am not blaming the players at any time in this as it must be not very enjoyable playing that way… I have not seen the U20 team playing but I look forward to their Ulster final tussle with Tyrone and will give my honest view then…. I hope they go out and go at Tyrone and see where it takes them… by all accounts they have some very good players so hopefully management will let them express themselves….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 12/04/2022 15:44:13    2410707

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I can understand your annoyance but I think this type of football is now ingrained in the Cavan set up and it's very hard to change that…. You are right they can play quick forward moving football but it a rarity and they too often return to type… My worry would be if this team was doing the same thing… And please let me point out that I am not blaming the players at any time in this as it must be not very enjoyable playing that way… I have not seen the U20 team playing but I look forward to their Ulster final tussle with Tyrone and will give my honest view then…. I hope they go out and go at Tyrone and see where it takes them… by all accounts they have some very good players so hopefully management will let them express themselves…."
I can understand your annoyance but I think this type of football is now ingrained in the Cavan set up and it's very hard to change that…. You are right they can play quick forward moving football but it a rarity and they too often return to type… My worry would be if this team was doing the same thing… And please let me point out that I am not blaming the players at any time in this as it must be not very enjoyable playing that way… I have not seen the U20 team playing but I look forward to their Ulster final tussle with Tyrone and will give my honest view then…. I hope they go out and go at Tyrone and see where it takes them… by all accounts they have some very good players so hopefully management will let them express themselves….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 471 - 12/04/2022 15:44:13

Great interest in football this chap has.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 878 - 12/04/2022 17:50:44    2410731

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Replying To RHF:  "I can understand your annoyance but I think this type of football is now ingrained in the Cavan set up and it's very hard to change that…. You are right they can play quick forward moving football but it a rarity and they too often return to type… My worry would be if this team was doing the same thing… And please let me point out that I am not blaming the players at any time in this as it must be not very enjoyable playing that way… I have not seen the U20 team playing but I look forward to their Ulster final tussle with Tyrone and will give my honest view then…. I hope they go out and go at Tyrone and see where it takes them… by all accounts they have some very good players so hopefully management will let them express themselves….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 471 - 12/04/2022 15:44:13

Great interest in football this chap has."
I have more interest than you have that's for sure… Do you know anything about football at all or are you one of these know all blow ins… probably a rugby head…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 13/04/2022 10:29:56    2410788

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I have more interest than you have that's for sure… Do you know anything about football at all or are you one of these know all blow ins… probably a rugby head…"
What's wrong with rugby?

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 13/04/2022 11:04:08    2410799

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "But you did give out about it though, and then gave put about our 4 in a row Ulster's. It's just telling that the first thing you start going on about is style of play, and a generally negative post, when you haven't even seen them. It's like you've made your mind up already and you've your argument set to it already. Why not wait until you actually see them, then say some constructive? But it's par for the course with you to be negative, and it's all the more laughable when you haven't even seen the lads play. Come on now..."
Lads it's probably best not to engage. This lad clearly wants to be a talking point and every thread will go the same way, win lose or draw.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12199 - 13/04/2022 11:18:02    2410805

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I have more interest than you have that's for sure… Do you know anything about football at all or are you one of these know all blow ins… probably a rugby head…"
I have more interest than you have that's for sure… Do you know anything about football at all or are you one of these know all blow ins… probably a rugby head…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 472 - 13/04/2022 10:29:56 2

I don't think you have even watched the game back from last Friday going by your uneducated comments over the past few days.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 878 - 13/04/2022 11:45:33    2410812

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Lads it's probably best not to engage. This lad clearly wants to be a talking point and every thread will go the same way, win lose or draw."
Aye, I need to stop biting when he's fishing like that, to be fair

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 13/04/2022 12:11:04    2410819

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Replying To RHF:  "I have more interest than you have that's for sure… Do you know anything about football at all or are you one of these know all blow ins… probably a rugby head…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 472 - 13/04/2022 10:29:56 2

I don't think you have even watched the game back from last Friday going by your uneducated comments over the past few days."
Or he/she has and is on the wind-up.

I thought it was just a miserable begrudger but the was this thread has gone, I'm getting more of a feeling that it's just a WUM.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5193 - 13/04/2022 12:18:07    2410821

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Replying To RHF:  "I have more interest than you have that's for sure… Do you know anything about football at all or are you one of these know all blow ins… probably a rugby head…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 472 - 13/04/2022 10:29:56 2

I don't think you have even watched the game back from last Friday going by your uneducated comments over the past few days."
I didn't watch it back…. to be honest I didn't know you could watch it back…. I was talking to a few people who say it on the night and said it was very defensive… not all Cavan of course but I think I won't waste an hour or so looking at it if what they said is anything to go by…. The Final will show where we are at…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 13/04/2022 13:28:50    2410831

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I didn't watch it back…. to be honest I didn't know you could watch it back…. I was talking to a few people who say it on the night and said it was very defensive… not all Cavan of course but I think I won't waste an hour or so looking at it if what they said is anything to go by…. The Final will show where we are at…"
Ah thats fair enough, dont watch it back to make educated comment on the game just assume you know what happened and make ill informed statements about it instead. Thats very reasonable alright.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 13/04/2022 14:01:16    2410839

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I didn't watch it back…. to be honest I didn't know you could watch it back…. I was talking to a few people who say it on the night and said it was very defensive… not all Cavan of course but I think I won't waste an hour or so looking at it if what they said is anything to go by…. The Final will show where we are at…"
I didn't watch it back…. to be honest I didn't know you could watch it back…. I was talking to a few people who say it on the night and said it was very defensive… not all Cavan of course but I think I won't waste an hour or so looking at it if what they said is anything to go by…. The Final will show where we are at…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 473 - 13/04/2022 13:28:50 24

Yeah i know a few lads the same as you, just go to finals and then think they know it all.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 878 - 13/04/2022 14:09:48    2410841

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Replying To RHF:  "I didn't watch it back…. to be honest I didn't know you could watch it back…. I was talking to a few people who say it on the night and said it was very defensive… not all Cavan of course but I think I won't waste an hour or so looking at it if what they said is anything to go by…. The Final will show where we are at…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 473 - 13/04/2022 13:28:50 24

Yeah i know a few lads the same as you, just go to finals and then think they know it all."
Wouldn't be hard to know as much as you….you don't have to be stupid enough to pay good money in to know that the type of football most teams are playing is total rubbish… You might not be intelligent enough yet to spot that but the penny will drop with you at some stage…maybe…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 13/04/2022 15:57:45    2410866

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