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Maybe going on a party bus the day after your well beaten in a final didn't help today. I'm afraid the manager was lucky in championship but luck will only bring you far and we got shown up when we played the good teams
tom84 (Cavan) - Posts: 334 - 06/07/2019 22:36:48
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I just want to say I have such a strong respect for all the Cavan players today. These boys have given everything to the cause of Cavan football in time, energy, love and pride. Loyal Bréifne supporters have been so lucky to watch these players play minor, U-21, and Senior. The feeling today is low, and it will hurt those men more than anyone. These men have given every effort, and all they deserve is appreciation. The time, and creidibitaly these men hold, in being totally dedicated to success is amazing, and I feel pride. The joys of victory against Roscommon, Monagahan and espiceally Armagh made my summer! Scoring the last 6 out of 7 points in the reply was just electric. The stride in my step was up. The smile was wider. I can only imagine what it meant to Mickey and his boys. I hope all the players hold there head up, and know they gave it all. I must say Cian Mackey is a player to admired, and an example to all. I really hope he sticks with the team, and helps brings these players on. One former Northern Sound DJ Noel Kicker, of Ballaghaderreen, tells me Cavan fans have him to thank for Mackey giving Cavan one more go. Watching Mackey against Armagh, well thank you Kicker! An inspiration! Go raibh maith agaibh Mickey agus An Cabhán!
captaincavan (Cavan) - Posts: 16 - 06/07/2019 22:38:07
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Replying To captaincavan: "I just want to say I have such a strong respect for all the Cavan players today. These boys have given everything to the cause of Cavan football in time, energy, love and pride. Loyal Bréifne supporters have been so lucky to watch these players play minor, U-21, and Senior. The feeling today is low, and it will hurt those men more than anyone. These men have given every effort, and all they deserve is appreciation. The time, and creidibitaly these men hold, in being totally dedicated to success is amazing, and I feel pride. The joys of victory against Roscommon, Monagahan and espiceally Armagh made my summer! Scoring the last 6 out of 7 points in the reply was just electric. The stride in my step was up. The smile was wider. I can only imagine what it meant to Mickey and his boys. I hope all the players hold there head up, and know they gave it all. I must say Cian Mackey is a player to admired, and an example to all. I really hope he sticks with the team, and helps brings these players on. One former Northern Sound DJ Noel Kicker, of Ballaghaderreen, tells me Cavan fans have him to thank for Mackey giving Cavan one more go. Watching Mackey against Armagh, well thank you Kicker! An inspiration! Go raibh maith agaibh Mickey agus An Cabhán!" What a load of rubbish.. What kind of a team lose an ulster final that badly and go on a party bus the next day after an ulster final??? Some of them boys would want to look in the mirror.. Tyrone and Donegal lick their lips seeing them blue jerseys coming.
blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 197 - 06/07/2019 23:07:01
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Replying To captaincavan: "I just want to say I have such a strong respect for all the Cavan players today. These boys have given everything to the cause of Cavan football in time, energy, love and pride. Loyal Bréifne supporters have been so lucky to watch these players play minor, U-21, and Senior. The feeling today is low, and it will hurt those men more than anyone. These men have given every effort, and all they deserve is appreciation. The time, and creidibitaly these men hold, in being totally dedicated to success is amazing, and I feel pride. The joys of victory against Roscommon, Monagahan and espiceally Armagh made my summer! Scoring the last 6 out of 7 points in the reply was just electric. The stride in my step was up. The smile was wider. I can only imagine what it meant to Mickey and his boys. I hope all the players hold there head up, and know they gave it all. I must say Cian Mackey is a player to admired, and an example to all. I really hope he sticks with the team, and helps brings these players on. One former Northern Sound DJ Noel Kicker, of Ballaghaderreen, tells me Cavan fans have him to thank for Mackey giving Cavan one more go. Watching Mackey against Armagh, well thank you Kicker! An inspiration! Go raibh maith agaibh Mickey agus An Cabhán!" yes but what the hell happened Today ?.
We need an explaination. That performance Today was woeful and some of the decisions made on the line were equally as woeful. I think the emperor has no clothes.
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 06/07/2019 23:11:27
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Replying To captaincavan: "I just want to say I have such a strong respect for all the Cavan players today. These boys have given everything to the cause of Cavan football in time, energy, love and pride. Loyal Bréifne supporters have been so lucky to watch these players play minor, U-21, and Senior. The feeling today is low, and it will hurt those men more than anyone. These men have given every effort, and all they deserve is appreciation. The time, and creidibitaly these men hold, in being totally dedicated to success is amazing, and I feel pride. The joys of victory against Roscommon, Monagahan and espiceally Armagh made my summer! Scoring the last 6 out of 7 points in the reply was just electric. The stride in my step was up. The smile was wider. I can only imagine what it meant to Mickey and his boys. I hope all the players hold there head up, and know they gave it all. I must say Cian Mackey is a player to admired, and an example to all. I really hope he sticks with the team, and helps brings these players on. One former Northern Sound DJ Noel Kicker, of Ballaghaderreen, tells me Cavan fans have him to thank for Mackey giving Cavan one more go. Watching Mackey against Armagh, well thank you Kicker! An inspiration! Go raibh maith agaibh Mickey agus An Cabhán!" What planet are you on
tom84 (Cavan) - Posts: 334 - 06/07/2019 23:35:31
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I Don't think anyone should blame Mickey Graham. The players look like little boys out there and they are fully grown men!! Why Can't they stand up and show some leadership? Not one could.
.tribute (Cavan) - Posts: 360 - 07/07/2019 02:30:05
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Just terribly disappointing. No different than when we took the hiding from them in the last year of Terry Hyland's reign. Just dreadful. Last year nobody wanted to play, this year we had a panel of 40 but for the life of me I can see what improvement if any has been made.
There simply is not the talent in the county to compete at the top level. Fifty years on since Casement Park we have won one Ulster title and are one of the Provinces whipping boys along with Antrim and Fermanagh. All the managers over that period cannot be the problem.
kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 07/07/2019 08:49:41
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Yesterday always had the potential for a flag performance by Cavan. The aim was an ulster title and it was always going to be hard for the players to raise their game fro the qualifiers.
The annoying thing if I was a Cavan supporter was the level of indiscipline within the team yesterday.
McVeety should have got the line after 10 minutes for a vicious elbow on Meyler.
Conor Moynagh tried everything to get off the field but Cassidy simply wouldn't give him the black card be craved . Killian Clarke lost the head yet again and seemed only delighted to be black carded.
Far too many of Cavan' s big players went AWOL.
McVeety,Clarke,McKiernan,Martin Reilly,Mackey, etc.
Graham has got to be given another chance but players when the going get tough have to stand up not shy away, which has been the case a lot for Cavan over the years.
shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1941 - 07/07/2019 10:02:00
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The first mistake made was the appointment of a manager who was focused on another job when his panel was being assembled so management has to take responsibility for the players invited into and omitted from the panel and no it wasn't an open door and welcome to anyone who wanted to play as the manager suggested in an extensive interview with a local newspaper. They looked at a few games in later stages of championship and continued to promote a few old reliables ( not so reliable) and that was it.
Panel selection is over reliant on players from Gowna Castlerahan Lacken and Gaels not all of them of county standard.
In the field the so called leaders with the exception of Mackey showed themselves very lacking in smart leadership skills, when the chips were down they threw the toys out of the pram. It's time these particular "leaders" were given a crash course in grit and determination.
Management on the line appear to lack any coherent vision or conviction for a style of play, this was also evident in the U 20 game.
If the current management team of Graham and Mc Cabe are to be allowed to stay they should be asked to outline their vision for next 12 months ( we haven't time for another 5 year plan!) and their plan for the work to make that happen. What are they going to do about the 12 -15 passengers on that panel. What are they going to do to develop natural forwards like Caoimhin O Reilly a very talented forward who has had a nightmare championship been thrown on for 15 -20 minutes here and there and left to run all over the place with neither plan nor direction to his play and not a sign of a plan to deliver quality ball? Surely the two men in charge one a midfielder the other a forward, surely between the two of them they can figure the importance of delivery of good ball consistently to s full forward line? Because of our style of play there are very few natural forwards in clubs in the county but what's there needs to be found and nurtured by people like Larry Reilly, Roman Carolan and Jason Reilly. It is no mystery that we scored just 7 points.
I despair for Cavan football, the people at the helm need to take responsibility for this and the County Board that appointed them is answerable to the clubs and the followers who fund the charade.
The gloves are off, as one poster said earlier, the emperors very obvious now to all have no clothes. T
shannon414 (Cavan) - Posts: 228 - 07/07/2019 11:44:28
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This game was over the moment Tyrone came out of the draw alongside Cavan.... the players just didn't want to know and their body language showed that clearly... there is no shame in looking to any team but at least show guts and desire to do your utmost for 70 minutes.... Now Roscommon are no great shakes ( can't be because we hammered them not so long ago ) but they will give Tyrone a descent game because they will man up against them and not give up like we did... Mickey Graham has a serious job ahead off him now and he needs to weed out a good few of players who started yesterday.... It was hard leaving Clones after the Ulster Final but 10 times worse yesterday that's for sure...to concede 2-44 in 2 games is mind boggling...!!
Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 07/07/2019 12:04:48
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Not much to say about that performance really. Dust ourselves down and move on. Players know full well themselves it's well short of the standard required. Just a pity all their hard work all year counts for absolutely nothing when they go out and perform like that. You could argue we've shown improvement this year in being able to win tight games against teams in the 7-12 ranking bracket which is encouraging. But against top opposition we are as far if not further away than ever. Cannot just drop the heads like that so early. Lads that had being showing better leadership qualities this year just blew a head gasket yesterday and the whole team floundered. Tyrone have more quality than us but we made it easy for them. In any case last two games have been eye opening sobering experiences for this team and something to chew on over the winter months. Plenty of scope for improvement next year but some of our "leaders" are clocking up the miles. Only so many next years left. Anyway, 2020 squad selection is a problem for another day.
Roll on the club championships thank God is all I can add.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 07/07/2019 12:09:47
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Replying To shaggylegend: "Yesterday always had the potential for a flag performance by Cavan. The aim was an ulster title and it was always going to be hard for the players to raise their game fro the qualifiers.
The annoying thing if I was a Cavan supporter was the level of indiscipline within the team yesterday.
McVeety should have got the line after 10 minutes for a vicious elbow on Meyler.
Conor Moynagh tried everything to get off the field but Cassidy simply wouldn't give him the black card be craved . Killian Clarke lost the head yet again and seemed only delighted to be black carded.
Far too many of Cavan' s big players went AWOL.
McVeety,Clarke,McKiernan,Martin Reilly,Mackey, etc.
Graham has got to be given another chance but players when the going get tough have to stand up not shy away, which has been the case a lot for Cavan over the years." Shaggy, I dont often agree with you but you are 100% right. Our supposed leaders on the field, 2 of them previous captains, wanted out. They actually were undisciplined intentionally as they simply wanted out of the battle. It was pathetic to watch. Mickey can do coaching, strength and conditioning etc but you cannot coach leadership. We've got none and I think an Ulsters as far away as it ever was.
fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 07/07/2019 12:14:04
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Just saw Mickey Graham post match commentary, accepts there are questions to answer, fare enough now act on it....like seriously act if the remarks are to be taken as credible unlike the interview with local paper at the start of the season.
shannon414 (Cavan) - Posts: 228 - 07/07/2019 13:33:36
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What is a really a bad sign in my view is that there was absolutely no reaction to the no show in the Ulster Final. Yesterday was a chance to right some of the wrongs of Ulster Final day but instead what we got was a lot worse. All good teams follow up a bad performance with a good one.
Some of the local media pundits also need to get a grip. One law for the current management team and another for the previous one. Lets hope that yesterday's result brings an end to that.
kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 07/07/2019 13:53:10
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Ugghhh...worst football hangover in a long, long time.
Where do we start? First up, hats off to Tyrone who were superb yesterday. That is how to respond to a big loss in the championship.
Most of what needs to be said has been covered already so i will spare that. Just a few things to add
'That was not the real Cavan today'. Sorry Mickey, it actually was exactly the real Cavan. Falling out of the championship with a whimper. That is the reality. The wins against Monaghan and Armagh were a mirage.
Again a very questionable team selection and game plan. Slowly working the ball to Tyrones half back line then attacking with lone runners? When has that ever worked before??
100% retention of kickouts was pretty much achieved but did no good. Left corner back the starting point every time. Have we a midfielder to put their hands over their head out of the field?
'This is a young team in development'. Eh, no it isnt. We will lose most of our leaders in the next couple of years..Mackey, Martin Reilly, Galligan, McKiernan, Niall Murray. Nobody coming through with the quality to improve on these men.
Leadership..an earned not assumed role. Faulkner stood tall yesterday. Compare to another 'leader' in defence. First to the camera or interviewer after a win, he carried the ball once yesterday and got turned over. Then took a black card to get off the field as quick as he could in second half. One junket to Oz doesnt make you special.
Fitness S&C. Cavan were a mile off Tyrone, men blowing up in the first half. A change needed in that department.
Very depressed. Those who said that making it to a final counts for nothing were right. Back to the club scene in early July. At least the Breffni pitch is in good shape.
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Replying To MadgeKing: "Ugghhh...worst football hangover in a long, long time.
Where do we start? First up, hats off to Tyrone who were superb yesterday. That is how to respond to a big loss in the championship.
Most of what needs to be said has been covered already so i will spare that. Just a few things to add
'That was not the real Cavan today'. Sorry Mickey, it actually was exactly the real Cavan. Falling out of the championship with a whimper. That is the reality. The wins against Monaghan and Armagh were a mirage.
Again a very questionable team selection and game plan. Slowly working the ball to Tyrones half back line then attacking with lone runners? When has that ever worked before??
100% retention of kickouts was pretty much achieved but did no good. Left corner back the starting point every time. Have we a midfielder to put their hands over their head out of the field?
'This is a young team in development'. Eh, no it isnt. We will lose most of our leaders in the next couple of years..Mackey, Martin Reilly, Galligan, McKiernan, Niall Murray. Nobody coming through with the quality to improve on these men.
Leadership..an earned not assumed role. Faulkner stood tall yesterday. Compare to another 'leader' in defence. First to the camera or interviewer after a win, he carried the ball once yesterday and got turned over. Then took a black card to get off the field as quick as he could in second half. One junket to Oz doesnt make you special.
Fitness S&C. Cavan were a mile off Tyrone, men blowing up in the first half. A change needed in that department.
Very depressed. Those who said that making it to a final counts for nothing were right. Back to the club scene in early July. At least the Breffni pitch is in good shape." Mickey Graham insists that Cavan didn't do themselves justice in their crushing 0-7 to 1-20 loss to Tyrone at Clones. Also he said that they are better than that. The sooner he realises it the better they are as bad as that and he should be thankful Donegal did not put them to the sword as well a few weeks back. Ones asks why well after they left their hair down a few weeks back the writing was on the wall as to what was going to happen yesterday.
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You had an opportunity today to view what is supposed to be coming through but sad to say overall a bad day at the office.
Cavan would have been happy with Laois ??? would Cavan have beaten them on today's performance I ask.
As usual I will be lambasted by many on here for telling the truth but lets give it a lash. All the players on that pitch today wearing the Blue and White have no pride in the jersey many proved that when they would not come in last year for the previous manager that speaks volumes to me.
Micky Graham is not at fault but was riding on the crest of the wave but the wave has now gone flat and he will be told he was found wanting. Time will tell going forward.
The greatest problem here in Cavan is that the supporters are being dragged on by a memory that the majority were not even born to see and are reading the history on the WWW. Fifty years excluding 1997 since Cavan won anything of importance. Most on here will not remember those day's. 1952 was the last time to win a senior All Ireland.
Time the present day supporters have to realise that the majority of the young lads coming forward are being coached by MANUAL coaches?? I ask is that the way forward I ask you again is that the way forward. For me personally I don't think so, so time to make decisions.
Micky has to go out there for the next few months and find players that have raw undiluted ability and plenty of heart with a brain. Forget about who mammy and daddy are or what mammy and daddy do??
Close your ears to know all's on the terraces and the stands especially businessmen and women.
Realise there are players currently playing on the panel who will never make the grade so time to be ruthless and weed out the chaff.
Micky has to realise there are players who are not privileged but have ability give them a chance. Let these players know that the door is open to them this is the beginning of the beginning going forward.
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 07/07/2019 14:54:22
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Get malacky o rourke immediately
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Replying To cavanforsam: "Get malacky o rourke immediately" Exactly but the county board are reactive not in any proactive
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Replying To The Quiet Man: "Mickey Graham insists that Cavan didn't do themselves justice in their crushing 0-7 to 1-20 loss to Tyrone at Clones. Also he said that they are better than that. The sooner he realises it the better they are as bad as that and he should be thankful Donegal did not put them to the sword as well a few weeks back. Ones asks why well after they left their hair down a few weeks back the writing was on the wall as to what was going to happen yesterday.
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You had an opportunity today to view what is supposed to be coming through but sad to say overall a bad day at the office.
Cavan would have been happy with Laois ??? would Cavan have beaten them on today's performance I ask.
As usual I will be lambasted by many on here for telling the truth but lets give it a lash. All the players on that pitch today wearing the Blue and White have no pride in the jersey many proved that when they would not come in last year for the previous manager that speaks volumes to me.
Micky Graham is not at fault but was riding on the crest of the wave but the wave has now gone flat and he will be told he was found wanting. Time will tell going forward.
The greatest problem here in Cavan is that the supporters are being dragged on by a memory that the majority were not even born to see and are reading the history on the WWW. Fifty years excluding 1997 since Cavan won anything of importance. Most on here will not remember those day's. 1952 was the last time to win a senior All Ireland.
Time the present day supporters have to realise that the majority of the young lads coming forward are being coached by MANUAL coaches?? I ask is that the way forward I ask you again is that the way forward. For me personally I don't think so, so time to make decisions.
Micky has to go out there for the next few months and find players that have raw undiluted ability and plenty of heart with a brain. Forget about who mammy and daddy are or what mammy and daddy do??
Close your ears to know all's on the terraces and the stands especially businessmen and women.
Realise there are players currently playing on the panel who will never make the grade so time to be ruthless and weed out the chaff.
Micky has to realise there are players who are not privileged but have ability give them a chance. Let these players know that the door is open to them this is the beginning of the beginning going forward." Who are these mystery players. If they were there is agree with you but it patently clear they are not there.
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Replying To The Quiet Man: "Mickey Graham insists that Cavan didn't do themselves justice in their crushing 0-7 to 1-20 loss to Tyrone at Clones. Also he said that they are better than that. The sooner he realises it the better they are as bad as that and he should be thankful Donegal did not put them to the sword as well a few weeks back. Ones asks why well after they left their hair down a few weeks back the writing was on the wall as to what was going to happen yesterday.
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You had an opportunity today to view what is supposed to be coming through but sad to say overall a bad day at the office.
Cavan would have been happy with Laois ??? would Cavan have beaten them on today's performance I ask.
As usual I will be lambasted by many on here for telling the truth but lets give it a lash. All the players on that pitch today wearing the Blue and White have no pride in the jersey many proved that when they would not come in last year for the previous manager that speaks volumes to me.
Micky Graham is not at fault but was riding on the crest of the wave but the wave has now gone flat and he will be told he was found wanting. Time will tell going forward.
The greatest problem here in Cavan is that the supporters are being dragged on by a memory that the majority were not even born to see and are reading the history on the WWW. Fifty years excluding 1997 since Cavan won anything of importance. Most on here will not remember those day's. 1952 was the last time to win a senior All Ireland.
Time the present day supporters have to realise that the majority of the young lads coming forward are being coached by MANUAL coaches?? I ask is that the way forward I ask you again is that the way forward. For me personally I don't think so, so time to make decisions.
Micky has to go out there for the next few months and find players that have raw undiluted ability and plenty of heart with a brain. Forget about who mammy and daddy are or what mammy and daddy do??
Close your ears to know all's on the terraces and the stands especially businessmen and women.
Realise there are players currently playing on the panel who will never make the grade so time to be ruthless and weed out the chaff.
Micky has to realise there are players who are not privileged but have ability give them a chance. Let these players know that the door is open to them this is the beginning of the beginning going forward." Who are these mystery players. If they were there is agree with you but it patently clear they are not there.
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