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Replying To The Quiet Man: "I am glad you mentioned Mattie for he did not get the credit he deserved.
If you watched the Tyrone match for example Cavan were five points up at half time and lost I think by six this was because of interference by one of the management who shall remain nameless. Drew with Monaghan beat Mayo and drew with Kerry a game we should have won also only once again taking off our best play maker from the middle of the park we lost our momentum beaten by Donegal after being let down by one of our players who got a red card. In the monaghan game looking at my stats we kicked 9 balls directly into the monaghan goal keepers hands you cannot win a game doing that. Dublin did not destroy us either so to be fair Cavan were too quick looking for his head. Players not wanting to play for him should never have been called back in again in my opinion.
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Sadly I fear for this team they don't have it I am sorry to say.
Propping up the table with an extra game over Tyrone.
I cannot see Cavan get much change from their remaining matches.
They will not beat that Dublin team thats for sure so that leaves them with 6 points to fight for from Tyrone Monaghan and Roscommon.
They will not get enough if any to stay in Division 1 so Division 2 beckons" Here comes critic! Always in straight away after a defeat. Cavan were always going to struggle at the top table so pointing out the same thing every week is pointless.
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Replying To The Quiet Man: "I am glad you mentioned Mattie for he did not get the credit he deserved.
If you watched the Tyrone match for example Cavan were five points up at half time and lost I think by six this was because of interference by one of the management who shall remain nameless. Drew with Monaghan beat Mayo and drew with Kerry a game we should have won also only once again taking off our best play maker from the middle of the park we lost our momentum beaten by Donegal after being let down by one of our players who got a red card. In the monaghan game looking at my stats we kicked 9 balls directly into the monaghan goal keepers hands you cannot win a game doing that. Dublin did not destroy us either so to be fair Cavan were too quick looking for his head. Players not wanting to play for him should never have been called back in again in my opinion.
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Sadly I fear for this team they don't have it I am sorry to say.
Propping up the table with an extra game over Tyrone.
I cannot see Cavan get much change from their remaining matches.
They will not beat that Dublin team thats for sure so that leaves them with 6 points to fight for from Tyrone Monaghan and Roscommon.
They will not get enough if any to stay in Division 1 so Division 2 beckons" Matches to play 2 at home two away
Rd 4 Sun 24 Feb 2.30pm Cavan v Roscommon
Rd 5 Sat 2 Mar 7pm Tyrone v Cavan
Rd 6 Sat 16 Mar 2pm Monaghan v Cavan
Rd 7 Sun 24 Mar 2pm Cavan v Dublin
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 09/02/2019 22:46:06
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Seánie Johnston was probably the last out and out scoring forward Cavan have produced. Until we unearth another one like him, we're going to spend our days in limbo between divisions one and two. It's a real shame we won't survive div one this year, with a relatively young team it would have done their confidence the world of good.
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Replying To cavanman47: "Well Monaghan have 1 (McManus)
I'd have beggan in it too but I'd be in the minority I feel.
Teams are in their respective divisions in the league on merit btw. Ye will stay up due to Dublin holidaying so late in the winter but that's how the fixtures fell. It is what it is." What a silly comment. Monaghan are an established top team while unfortunately for yourselves you just keep falling further behind.
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Folks its only February and three games into a new managerial set up. Patience!
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Replying To Cavan_Shambles: "Seánie Johnston was probably the last out and out scoring forward Cavan have produced. Until we unearth another one like him, we're going to spend our days in limbo between divisions one and two. It's a real shame we won't survive div one this year, with a relatively young team it would have done their confidence the world of good." In limbo you say between Division1 and Division 2? with the present set up there is only way and thats down and while it's still there they will not be coming back anytime soon for Division 2 is never easy to get promoted from and maybe even harder from Division 3.
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 10/02/2019 10:11:00
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Replying To Cavan_Shambles: "Seánie Johnston was probably the last out and out scoring forward Cavan have produced. Until we unearth another one like him, we're going to spend our days in limbo between divisions one and two. It's a real shame we won't survive div one this year, with a relatively young team it would have done their confidence the world of good." I would make that JOR as the last top class Cavan forward, but your point is valid.
Look Cavan have played 2 top teams in their opening 3 matches. Galway the one that got away.
All that matters now is getting 6 points on the board.
Beat Roscommon tyrone and monaghan to stay up?? I believe that is possible. But yeah the forwards have to show a lot more than last night
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Replying To kildare blue: "Folks its only February and three games into a new managerial set up. Patience!" Same thing was true of McGleenans campaign in division one two years ago. Truth is, this county isn't making any progress. We can change the manager all we like, the problems are systemic, not managerial.
Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 10/02/2019 11:00:37
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Replying To kildare blue: "Folks its only February and three games into a new managerial set up. Patience!" Do you think there will be a dramatic improvement after the league is over. The majority of what you see right now will be playing in the Ulster campaign. Do you honestly believe they will do well in Ulster ??
Cavan need to set out their priority's and I am sure the National League has to be the very first on their list, followed then by a good Ulster campaign after that the rest will fall into play.
Winning an Ulster title would be fantastic but it's not going to happen any time soon, now going on 22 years.
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 10/02/2019 11:06:32
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Replying To MadgeKing: "I would make that JOR as the last top class Cavan forward, but your point is valid.
Look Cavan have played 2 top teams in their opening 3 matches. Galway the one that got away.
All that matters now is getting 6 points on the board.
Beat Roscommon tyrone and monaghan to stay up?? I believe that is possible. But yeah the forwards have to show a lot more than last night" I wouldn't be concerned I think cavan are making progress,we are after playing probably 3 of the top 5 teams, Gerry smith will be back the next game, gearoid mckiernan and caoimhin reilly back training this week and Killian brady will have more training under his belt, all the talk about mcgleenan he had them lads playing from the beginning in div 1, if Mickey had to have them we would be on 6 points now.
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There always seems to be a lot of over reaction on these pages. To be honest I did not expect Cavan to win last night but the positive thing is they have been competitive in all of their games thus far.
Gearoid after a brilliant year last year and Gerry Smith in particular are massive losses and add in that Caohmin O'Reilly who has been out aswell who has the potential to become that natural scoring forward that Cavan have been missing. All three will be close to returning for the next game by the way.
There are a lot of positives however.
The Goalkeeper even if he may have been at fault last night is as good as any.
Faulkner, McLoughlin, Clarke, Gunner, Rehill and Gerry Smith are all well able to hold there own in defence in Division one this has been proven this year or in the past. The two Fortunes have the potential to do like wise.
McVeety, Gearoid, Jack Brady and Holla are all well able to take scores in division one football aswell and I think that Pierce Smith and Caoimhin will be the same if given time. Add in Oisin Pierson, james Smith and Conor Bradley after another year of S&C.
At this stage relegation looks like its going to happen but the league has shown that Rehill is well able for this level. Jason McLoughlin has regained his form. Jack Brady has been very good since returning and defence has been very good. In patches I've also been very impressed with Galligan and Conor Madden.
It may seem strange to say after another loss but I feel like this could be the year to rattle Monaghan. Clarke and McVeety were back training late due to injury and Gearoid, Gerry Smith (two guaranteed starters) and O'Reilly will hopefully be all fit and ready come championship. Been missing Seanie's influence and impact that would also have helped. There is a spine of a team there if patience is had.
I sometimes wonder where the sense of superiority of some Cavan supporters comes from. Cavan are a top 10 team. Nothing to be sniffed at. If this set up and these players are given a chance over time they can progress. But this hysteria once they loose a match that in reality most people wouldn't have expected them to win anyway especially without McKiernan and Smith is crazy. There is also a very good crop of young lads to come through in the next year or two who will have been looked after by the new full time S&C coach so lets start being more realistic and positive.
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Replying To blueman1903: "I wouldn't be concerned I think cavan are making progress,we are after playing probably 3 of the top 5 teams, Gerry smith will be back the next game, gearoid mckiernan and caoimhin reilly back training this week and Killian brady will have more training under his belt, all the talk about mcgleenan he had them lads playing from the beginning in div 1, if Mickey had to have them we would be on 6 points now." You have got to be joking Mayo and Galway including Kerry were three teams that we were expecting a point from each. You will get nothing form whats left and I don't care who are coming back but please prove me wrong I will be happy to admit I got it wrong.
McGlennnan brought the team to Division2 and right back to Division1 if you are a true supporter of Cavan you will have to admit this that he left Cavan in a good position. Players that did not want to play for the two Tyrone men were very few, one needs to look away from these two men and ask WHY.
Smith took a year out for studies.
Reilly played with Mattie
Killian Brady played with Mattie
McKiernan played with Mattie
Phillips played with Mattie
So what players currently out from the gaels lads played for Mattie.
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 10/02/2019 12:26:26
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Replying To blueman1903: "I wouldn't be concerned I think cavan are making progress,we are after playing probably 3 of the top 5 teams, Gerry smith will be back the next game, gearoid mckiernan and caoimhin reilly back training this week and Killian brady will have more training under his belt, all the talk about mcgleenan he had them lads playing from the beginning in div 1, if Mickey had to have them we would be on 6 points now." Yes exactly your so right and when those chaps are back playing , we should win Ulster and definitely get to an All Ireland Semi at least.
As you said if we had those chaps playing we would now be top of table so come the summer it's only really a matter of turning up on the day.........
Mother of Divine God I've heard it all now
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Replying To blueman1903: "I wouldn't be concerned I think cavan are making progress,we are after playing probably 3 of the top 5 teams, Gerry smith will be back the next game, gearoid mckiernan and caoimhin reilly back training this week and Killian brady will have more training under his belt, all the talk about mcgleenan he had them lads playing from the beginning in div 1, if Mickey had to have them we would be on 6 points now." Honest question, for yourself, but also for a lot of other supporters on this forum, do you sincerely and genuinely believe that getting relegated means progress? I know we still have an outside chance of survival but I firmly expect Cavan to go down. I'm not sure if any other county, indeed any other sports fans, no matter the sport, would equate three defeats in three games as progress, so if you could give some insight into that I'd be intrigued.
Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 10/02/2019 12:47:43
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Caoimhin Reilly wasn't involved in Division 1 in 2017. He was with the u21s, came into the team that summer in Qualifiers.
Caoimhin Reilly, Conor Bradley will probaly be in the forwards by the championship.
Roscommon in breffni next has to be 2 pts or gone. Though they have better shape under Cunningham. They have a good free taker in Conor Cox.x Kerry Junior. He will punish Cavans poor discipline
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Replying To Cavan_Shambles: "Honest question, for yourself, but also for a lot of other supporters on this forum, do you sincerely and genuinely believe that getting relegated means progress? I know we still have an outside chance of survival but I firmly expect Cavan to go down. I'm not sure if any other county, indeed any other sports fans, no matter the sport, would equate three defeats in three games as progress, so if you could give some insight into that I'd be intrigued." Like you said we are not relegated yet , and yes I can see progress , we are competing with the top teams we have lost the 3 games but could have won the first two and last nights game would have been closer only for that goal that should have been a free out, we are in the middle of heavy s+c work which we are well behind the other teams in, like I said we have probably 5 of our best players to come back in, and it will make a huge difference, no I'm not happy we are losing but I would rather a run in the championship, and I do think we will get that, for years we put all into league and went out like a lamb in the championship.
blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 10/02/2019 13:55:07
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Replying To FoolsGold: "Caoimhin Reilly wasn't involved in Division 1 in 2017. He was with the u21s, came into the team that summer in Qualifiers.
Caoimhin Reilly, Conor Bradley will probaly be in the forwards by the championship.
Roscommon in breffni next has to be 2 pts or gone. Though they have better shape under Cunningham. They have a good free taker in Conor Cox.x Kerry Junior. He will punish Cavans poor discipline" I know caoimhin wasn't playing league that year, he played against tipp in the qualifiers, I was just saying he will be back soon. The other 3 were.
blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 10/02/2019 13:59:08
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Replying To OnTheBank: "There always seems to be a lot of over reaction on these pages. To be honest I did not expect Cavan to win last night but the positive thing is they have been competitive in all of their games thus far.
Gearoid after a brilliant year last year and Gerry Smith in particular are massive losses and add in that Caohmin O'Reilly who has been out aswell who has the potential to become that natural scoring forward that Cavan have been missing. All three will be close to returning for the next game by the way.
There are a lot of positives however.
The Goalkeeper even if he may have been at fault last night is as good as any.
Faulkner, McLoughlin, Clarke, Gunner, Rehill and Gerry Smith are all well able to hold there own in defence in Division one this has been proven this year or in the past. The two Fortunes have the potential to do like wise.
McVeety, Gearoid, Jack Brady and Holla are all well able to take scores in division one football aswell and I think that Pierce Smith and Caoimhin will be the same if given time. Add in Oisin Pierson, james Smith and Conor Bradley after another year of S&C.
At this stage relegation looks like its going to happen but the league has shown that Rehill is well able for this level. Jason McLoughlin has regained his form. Jack Brady has been very good since returning and defence has been very good. In patches I've also been very impressed with Galligan and Conor Madden.
It may seem strange to say after another loss but I feel like this could be the year to rattle Monaghan. Clarke and McVeety were back training late due to injury and Gearoid, Gerry Smith (two guaranteed starters) and O'Reilly will hopefully be all fit and ready come championship. Been missing Seanie's influence and impact that would also have helped. There is a spine of a team there if patience is had.
I sometimes wonder where the sense of superiority of some Cavan supporters comes from. Cavan are a top 10 team. Nothing to be sniffed at. If this set up and these players are given a chance over time they can progress. But this hysteria once they loose a match that in reality most people wouldn't have expected them to win anyway especially without McKiernan and Smith is crazy. There is also a very good crop of young lads to come through in the next year or two who will have been looked after by the new full time S&C coach so lets start being more realistic and positive." 22 years since we won a provincial title, and fifty years since we consistently challenged for Ulster.
You call for patience.
Tell me, how much longer should we wait? A decade? Twenty years? Forty years?
I'm not having a go, I'm genuinely debating in good faith.
Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 10/02/2019 14:29:16
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Replying To blueman1903: "Like you said we are not relegated yet , and yes I can see progress , we are competing with the top teams we have lost the 3 games but could have won the first two and last nights game would have been closer only for that goal that should have been a free out, we are in the middle of heavy s+c work which we are well behind the other teams in, like I said we have probably 5 of our best players to come back in, and it will make a huge difference, no I'm not happy we are losing but I would rather a run in the championship, and I do think we will get that, for years we put all into league and went out like a lamb in the championship." The point is though, we didn't win those games, despite putting ourselves in good leading positions early on. We folded in all three towards the end. You can dress it up either way, as positive or negative, the fact remains we're propping up the table. Ultimately it really doesn't matter how well Cavan play if they're not winning. Winning is all that counts in competitive sport. That's the entire nature of contest.
Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 10/02/2019 15:00:41
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A lot expected of Gerry Smith.He played 1 full year of Senior County in 2017. His form dipped in the championship . McKiernan is the biggest lost as their is like for like players after Smith and Brady.
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