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Time For Mattie To Move On?

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "The problem with Cavan is not the manager, its not the tactics or the lack of planning, its not about strength, the problem is and has been for a very long time, the players. There simply isn't enough quality players in the County, and by quality, I mean, players with good footballing brains that can change change games, that make the difference in a split second. I'll point to the Tyrone game, and whilst Mcvitty is a good footballer, he lacks intelligence on the pitch, he's fit and he can run at defenders, but more often than not, he runs into tackles and makes a lot of errors, we were on top of Tyrone with 15 minutes left, and we got a kickable free, and rather than putting the ball down, he take's a quick free which was intercepted and rather than Cavan going a point up, we go a point down. This was the same in the Donegal game, players running into tackles, getting turned over, giving sill passes away. These are the little things that most of the top quality players do not do.
If I was the Cavan manager, I would be approaching many of the Gaels players to come into the panel. They have now gone unbeaten in the ACFL in 2017 and 2018, with the semi-final and final to come. The is a massive achievement by a brilliant team."
This is where coaching, S&C and management comes into play....

Do you think other counties just happen to be so lucky that their kids are born naturally stronger, faster with better foot balling brains? Carrying the ball into tackles, silly passes and getting turned over are all addressable on the training ground.

There is loads of ability in the county, it just needs to be harnessed by the right man.

radiotower (Cavan) - Posts: 75 - 09/07/2018 15:59:19    2120076

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We are making the same mistakes for the last 7 years.
Carrying the ball into the tackle going forward and getting turned over.Time and time again it happens and the last 2 managers failed to address it.
But players must be able to think on their feet and they are not.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 09/07/2018 16:40:11    2120091

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "The problem with Cavan is not the manager, its not the tactics or the lack of planning, its not about strength, the problem is and has been for a very long time, the players. There simply isn't enough quality players in the County, and by quality, I mean, players with good footballing brains that can change change games, that make the difference in a split second. I'll point to the Tyrone game, and whilst Mcvitty is a good footballer, he lacks intelligence on the pitch, he's fit and he can run at defenders, but more often than not, he runs into tackles and makes a lot of errors, we were on top of Tyrone with 15 minutes left, and we got a kickable free, and rather than putting the ball down, he take's a quick free which was intercepted and rather than Cavan going a point up, we go a point down. This was the same in the Donegal game, players running into tackles, getting turned over, giving sill passes away. These are the little things that most of the top quality players do not do.
If I was the Cavan manager, I would be approaching many of the Gaels players to come into the panel. They have now gone unbeaten in the ACFL in 2017 and 2018, with the semi-final and final to come. The is a massive achievement by a brilliant team."
I think this says more about the state of Cavan club football than it does about the Gaels !!

Realistically only 3 teams at Senior level. Gaels, Ramor and Castlerahan. They all have good players but Gaels' average players are better that the average players on Castlerahan and Ramor. Thats the difference.

There is no competition in Div 1 or the Senior Championship. Gaels and one of the other two will contest the senior final again this year.

More competition in Intermediate and Junior.

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 09/07/2018 17:07:25    2120103

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "Playing Johnston between the 2 45s giving 5 yr kick passes across the park because there was no one up front CAN be blamed on management .
As CAN putting on a big full forward at half time and failing to kick the ball into him. That's a management blame too.
That's 2 major no no's that's happened umpteen times this year. In saying that players need to be able to think on their feet too. Something that I never saw Cavan players do.
You won't win games without forwards inside their own 45. And you certainly won't win them if you don't take a shot at the posts hence the turnover in the tackle so often.
You won't walk the ball into the net against teams like Tyrone. You might against Wicklow .
Cork WILL beat Tyrone yet they were never out of 2nd gear against us.
That's how tactically inept we are.
Sad thing is there not a Manager in the county capable of bringing us forward.
Yes we have so good individual players both on the panel and not on it.
But they are individuals , not able to gel together as a team. It's every man for himself. That's not how football works anymore"
"Cork WILL beat Tyrone yet they were never out of 2nd gear against us"

what happened there :) lol

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 10/07/2018 11:21:40    2120313

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Replying To s goldrick:  ""Cork WILL beat Tyrone yet they were never out of 2nd gear against us"

what happened there :) lol"
Another fine prediction.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 10/07/2018 18:19:29    2120495

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I'd agree with most of what you said there.
Getting the Gaels players to commit would be a bigger job than finding a top class manager.
There are at least 6/7 Gaels players good enough for that panel. Fortune, 2 Murray's Maloney Derham, k Meehan, SJ, Dunnie, O Connor Paul Graham. Are all worth their place on the panel.
Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 663 - 09/07/2018 15:48:11 2120073

I have to disagree with you about the 9 names you mentioned above however I do agree with three you mention. Of the 9 you mention I know 2 said they could not commit one of those however I don't think is county standard. There are quality players out there and sadly being ignored by those that are bringing in the players to represent our county.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 10/07/2018 19:36:40    2120515

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All The best for the future Mattie. Here we go again.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 11/07/2018 23:30:16    2120853

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Replying To s goldrick:  "All The best for the future Mattie. Here we go again."
He is no loss I hope the rest go with him.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 12/07/2018 00:22:42    2120861

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Best of luck in the future Mattie, by no means is the Cavan job one of the easier ones out there. Best of luck to the new man whoever he may be. Hopefully, unlike with Mattie's appointment the new man will be in place while the Championship is still up and running.

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 12/07/2018 07:07:20    2120868

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Replying To s goldrick:  "All The best for the future Mattie. Here we go again."
Best of luck for the future Mattie and back room team, thank you for your all your hard work and dedication, now county board it is up to you to spare no expense or effort to bring someone in who can get our exile players back and with the players we have there already we can push on further, we can be making to like of the super 8s.

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 12/07/2018 08:41:24    2120878

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all the best to Mattie, he brought cavan back to division 1 and that can't be scoffed at. He seemed like a nice man and all the players seemed to like him but he just wasn't able to take cavan in the direction we all wanted them to go. It'll be interesting now to see who steps in. whover it is needs to get all the top players back and interested in playing, so in that sense the onus is mostly on the players. There are a few names that spring to mind, Pete Mc Grath is free, Micky Moran, Horan i don't think is even close to an option and as much as we'd love Mc Guinness its a non runner. Perhaps looking from within is the way forward maybe Micky Graham and Jason? They both have their ulster medals and a place in the cavan players hearts. it could be a good move, and on Mickys part he has a good record.

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 12/07/2018 09:33:58    2120892

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There we go. A lot of people on here called for his head. Lets see what happens now.

I have no clue how the feeling was internally with the players and it seems that not much was filtering out of the camp. Based on what we have achieved post 1960, i think we seem to have a sense of entitlement and that is not backed up by the reality. We have some decent players but we are not a powerhouse. We need some continuity within the leadership. I am not sure the manager is my biggest concern though. I think we need to come up with a structure and a PLAN for the future. Otherwise we will continue on the managerial merry go round for years to come.

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 12/07/2018 09:58:47    2120896

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Time to put Pete Mc Grath and Mickey Graham together? Or bring Terry back?

bunnoe1 (Cavan) - Posts: 60 - 12/07/2018 10:32:42    2120912

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "He is no loss I hope the rest go with him."
would like to think that people posting here would use a bit of respect !!!! amazing how people on here proclaiming him a genius 18 months ago because he said 'Hello' in the corridor have changed their attitude so drastically.
personally I think its the right decision for all parties. while he has left us back in div 1 & seemed to have a positive attitude, there appears to be a lack of confidence in him from the players based on drop outs, ridiculous match day substitutions & the style of play has reverted to a negative defensive approach which hasn't been effective because the players appear unsure of what exactly they are supposed to be doing. I think this is a huge opportunity for our county board to make a statement of intent on the future of Cavan football. it has been discussed here so often about the number of players that have dropped off the county scene in the last 4/5 years. if the county board can make the correct appointment, be it an inside or outside manager then maybe some of these players can be tempted back into the panel together with a picking of the county minor panel that got to the semi final. whether that is sufficient to make us competitive remains debateable but it will give us our best opportunity. one distinct problem that I noted with Mattie's management team this year is practically a total lack of any local input. this needs to be addressed with the new management team. finally thanks Mattie for your efforts over the past 2 years

bond (Longford) - Posts: 174 - 12/07/2018 10:35:27    2120913

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Replying To theweanling:  "all the best to Mattie, he brought cavan back to division 1 and that can't be scoffed at. He seemed like a nice man and all the players seemed to like him but he just wasn't able to take cavan in the direction we all wanted them to go. It'll be interesting now to see who steps in. whover it is needs to get all the top players back and interested in playing, so in that sense the onus is mostly on the players. There are a few names that spring to mind, Pete Mc Grath is free, Micky Moran, Horan i don't think is even close to an option and as much as we'd love Mc Guinness its a non runner. Perhaps looking from within is the way forward maybe Micky Graham and Jason? They both have their ulster medals and a place in the cavan players hearts. it could be a good move, and on Mickys part he has a good record."
You mention two locals they are not the men for the job yet. Maybe in ten years time or more but right now not the people for the job. Micky had a crack with our minors failed, Jason took over the easiest job in Cavan and should have no problems winning ten in a row BUT if you feel he is good enough let's see him bring his present club to an Ulster title and all the way to an All Ireland. In fact same applies to Micky he near won a Leinster title. People keep saying they are great so let them prove it.
I believe both men you mention were part of the gang that shafted a man with two senior all Ireland medals in his back pocket Liam Austin.

Go out and get a man that will not be directed by the CB and will do it his way. Only give him a two year contract however not three or five.

The Cavan job is like a poison Chalice it will be interesting to see who will want it.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 12/07/2018 10:50:52    2120918

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Might be a total non-runner, but if Tyrone don't make it out of the super 8's, would Harte be a possibility?

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 12/07/2018 10:57:08    2120921

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "You mention two locals they are not the men for the job yet. Maybe in ten years time or more but right now not the people for the job. Micky had a crack with our minors failed, Jason took over the easiest job in Cavan and should have no problems winning ten in a row BUT if you feel he is good enough let's see him bring his present club to an Ulster title and all the way to an All Ireland. In fact same applies to Micky he near won a Leinster title. People keep saying they are great so let them prove it.
I believe both men you mention were part of the gang that shafted a man with two senior all Ireland medals in his back pocket Liam Austin.

Go out and get a man that will not be directed by the CB and will do it his way. Only give him a two year contract however not three or five.

The Cavan job is like a poison Chalice it will be interesting to see who will want it."
Well Micky managed the minor team that eventually went on and won an u21 title. that was 10 years ago now!!! Jason got the Gaels to an ulster final. going by your logic a lot of county managers wouldn't have had anywhere near enough experience for senior management. the options are thin on the ground and in fairness history tells us that teams are better managed from within the county.

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 12/07/2018 11:46:01    2120942

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Replying To theweanling:  "Well Micky managed the minor team that eventually went on and won an u21 title. that was 10 years ago now!!! Jason got the Gaels to an ulster final. going by your logic a lot of county managers wouldn't have had anywhere near enough experience for senior management. the options are thin on the ground and in fairness history tells us that teams are better managed from within the county."
I disagree with you but you and I are entitled to our opinions.
We have more than one manager that has won as manager two or more senior titles.
We need to bring in a man that will not be a yes man and will have a spine/back bone/brass neck to shut out all the advisers on the stand and even on the CB then and only then will Cavan make progress.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 12/07/2018 12:07:29    2120955

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At the end of the day, Cavan are going into division one which is out of their depth.

A new manager comes in and Cavan get relegated and then could end up drawing Monaghan, Tyrone or Donegal in Ulster?

All hypothetically speaking but could easily happen.

Of course we still need a manager but this is the sort of problem that faces them along with all the others
such as getting your best players to commit.

Its going to take something very special to make things happen in Cavan football.

Expectations for our county team are way too big for what we have at our disposal.

YOUWONTCODME (Cavan) - Posts: 125 - 12/07/2018 12:40:00    2120973

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Replying To YOUWONTCODME:  "At the end of the day, Cavan are going into division one which is out of their depth.

A new manager comes in and Cavan get relegated and then could end up drawing Monaghan, Tyrone or Donegal in Ulster?

All hypothetically speaking but could easily happen.

Of course we still need a manager but this is the sort of problem that faces them along with all the others
such as getting your best players to commit.

Its going to take something very special to make things happen in Cavan football.

Expectations for our county team are way too big for what we have at our disposal."
Yes this will alway's be the way as Cavan are part of the 9 ulster counties so this will not change,

I have been around a long time and I have spoken to many players over the years and what we need and I mean this is a person for the players to confide in. Many have personal issues with certain aspects of the set up and having an ear to listen to them has to be a priority first and foremost. Not a runner I must add but a person that will understand and chat with management to rectify the problem.

I hope we get a decent man to try and bring the team forward. We have to stop listening to the coaching staff that are involved in the so called development but to get out there and watch for potential players that are being over looked sadly.
I named 5 players that I felt were worth bringing in to give them a try not one of them were brought in and they stood out last season. They were not asked either.
The clubs should recommend stand out players and start from there it will be a step in the right direction.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 12/07/2018 13:09:41    2120981

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