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We have created a monster and now we have to feed him"
27 July 2016

Sean Fogarty ©INPHO/Cathal Noonan
Former Munster Council chairman Sean Fogarty believes the new GAA/GPA deal will drive a wedge between inter-county and club players.

The GAA and GPA unveiled details on Monday of a new framework agreement for the period 2017-2019 which includes a number of significant increases in benefits for inter-county players.

When asked for his reaction by The Examiner, the Tipperary man replied: "In one sentence, we have created a monster and now we have to feed him.

"I would have serious reservations about just how much is being made available to the inter-county player when it's the club player who is struggling most."

He continued: "Clubs are on their knees, struggling to pay €1,000 to affiliate junior B teams that are vaguely interested in playing football and hurling.

"I have the height of respect for inter-county players but there is an imbalance between how club and county players are treated.

"I was on the bus to Cavan to watch the Tipperary footballers last Saturday with ordinary guys and they're all struggling.

"We have become reduced to the roles of ticket sellers to keep clubs afloat.

"We're begging the same people time after time for the sake of the club.

"If we can give over €6m a year to guys who are already well treated and don't have to buy a bit of gear and get overnight stays, then surely we can do more to recognise sacrifices made by club players."

I have to agree with Sean Fogarty.

I wonder what is next on the cards. Who pay's all this money and where will county boards get the revenue to pay the extra milage allowance ect. 90% of the counties will not have the revenue to pay all these extra expenses so what happens.?? This will divide the weaker counties even more for they will not be able to compete with the Demands that the GPA will be imposing on them.
I highlighted a short paragraph from Sean Fogarty's post above.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4549 - 28/07/2016 14:43:52    1891540

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Replying To seanorinn:  "We have created a monster and now we have to feed him"
27 July 2016

Sean Fogarty ©INPHO/Cathal Noonan
Former Munster Council chairman Sean Fogarty believes the new GAA/GPA deal will drive a wedge between inter-county and club players.

The GAA and GPA unveiled details on Monday of a new framework agreement for the period 2017-2019 which includes a number of significant increases in benefits for inter-county players.

When asked for his reaction by The Examiner, the Tipperary man replied: "In one sentence, we have created a monster and now we have to feed him.

"I would have serious reservations about just how much is being made available to the inter-county player when it's the club player who is struggling most."

He continued: "Clubs are on their knees, struggling to pay €1,000 to affiliate junior B teams that are vaguely interested in playing football and hurling.

"I have the height of respect for inter-county players but there is an imbalance between how club and county players are treated.

"I was on the bus to Cavan to watch the Tipperary footballers last Saturday with ordinary guys and they're all struggling.

"We have become reduced to the roles of ticket sellers to keep clubs afloat.

"We're begging the same people time after time for the sake of the club.

"If we can give over €6m a year to guys who are already well treated and don't have to buy a bit of gear and get overnight stays, then surely we can do more to recognise sacrifices made by club players."

I have to agree with Sean Fogarty.

I wonder what is next on the cards. Who pay's all this money and where will county boards get the revenue to pay the extra milage allowance ect. 90% of the counties will not have the revenue to pay all these extra expenses so what happens.?? This will divide the weaker counties even more for they will not be able to compete with the Demands that the GPA will be imposing on them.
I highlighted a short paragraph from Sean Fogarty's post above."
What about the money spent on paid full time officials with most counties including our own? Is that not a waste? Amateur game nah????

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 28/07/2016 15:29:08    1891572

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "What about the money spent on paid full time officials with most counties including our own? Is that not a waste? Amateur game nah????"
What about the money spent on paid full time officials with most counties including our own? Is that not a waste? Amateur game nah????
Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts:518 - 28/07/2016 15:29:08 189157

Well have you ever seen the amount of work that is done for example in Cavan's office jesus you would say flipping hell one would have to be very dedicated to put in the hours some have to do for the wages they get so thats a non runner awnow.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4549 - 28/07/2016 16:27:13    1891621

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"We have become reduced to the roles of ticket sellers to keep clubs afloat".
This is actually very true. The GAA likes to slap its back a lot regarding the amount of money that is pumped back into the game at grass roots but clubs get very little. The Blotto and whatever other inventive ways of raising money are what's keeping clubs going. Even at county level local business people and ex pats who have done well for themselves across the water pump a lot of money into the county setups. Corruption has always been part of the GAA- I guess whenever you have a large cash business it's inevitable. You'd wonder where half the money the GAA takes in goes.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 28/07/2016 17:07:40    1891640

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Replying To Hardtimes:  ""We have become reduced to the roles of ticket sellers to keep clubs afloat".
This is actually very true. The GAA likes to slap its back a lot regarding the amount of money that is pumped back into the game at grass roots but clubs get very little. The Blotto and whatever other inventive ways of raising money are what's keeping clubs going. Even at county level local business people and ex pats who have done well for themselves across the water pump a lot of money into the county setups. Corruption has always been part of the GAA- I guess whenever you have a large cash business it's inevitable. You'd wonder where half the money the GAA takes in goes."
Corruption has always been part of the GAA- I guess whenever you have a large cash business it's inevitable. You'd wonder where half the money the GAA takes in goes.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts:351 - 28/07/2016 17:07:40

Thats a huge statement Hartimes (Cavan) something one has to be very careful making ??

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4549 - 28/07/2016 17:33:29    1891653

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Replying To seanorinn:  "
Replying To Hardtimes:  ""We have become reduced to the roles of ticket sellers to keep clubs afloat".
This is actually very true. The GAA likes to slap its back a lot regarding the amount of money that is pumped back into the game at grass roots but clubs get very little. The Blotto and whatever other inventive ways of raising money are what's keeping clubs going. Even at county level local business people and ex pats who have done well for themselves across the water pump a lot of money into the county setups. Corruption has always been part of the GAA- I guess whenever you have a large cash business it's inevitable. You'd wonder where half the money the GAA takes in goes."
Corruption has always been part of the GAA- I guess whenever you have a large cash business it's inevitable. You'd wonder where half the money the GAA takes in goes.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts:351 - 28/07/2016 17:07:40

Thats a huge statement Hartimes (Cavan) something one has to be very careful making ??"
Sometimes hard questions need to be asked. If there's nothing to hide, if all is above board then lets see some accounts published- ones where the sums add up.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 28/07/2016 17:44:29    1891660

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Replying To Hardtimes:  "
Replying To seanorinn:  "[quote=Hardtimes:  ""We have become reduced to the roles of ticket sellers to keep clubs afloat".
This is actually very true. The GAA likes to slap its back a lot regarding the amount of money that is pumped back into the game at grass roots but clubs get very little. The Blotto and whatever other inventive ways of raising money are what's keeping clubs going. Even at county level local business people and ex pats who have done well for themselves across the water pump a lot of money into the county setups. Corruption has always been part of the GAA- I guess whenever you have a large cash business it's inevitable. You'd wonder where half the money the GAA takes in goes."
Corruption has always been part of the GAA- I guess whenever you have a large cash business it's inevitable. You'd wonder where half the money the GAA takes in goes.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts:351 - 28/07/2016 17:07:40

Thats a huge statement Hartimes (Cavan) something one has to be very careful making ??"
Sometimes hard questions need to be asked. If there's nothing to hide, if all is above board then lets see some accounts published- ones where the sums add up."]Thats a huge statement Hartimes (Cavan) something one has to be very careful making ??"]Sometimes hard questions need to be asked. If there's nothing to hide, if all is above board then lets see some accounts published- ones where the sums add up.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts:353 - 28/07/2016 17:44:29 1891660

Well I am not an accountant so I cannot answer that question. I am sure you can ask these questions at the AGM and at Congress also if you are in any doubt.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4549 - 28/07/2016 17:51:31    1891664

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Replying To seanorinn:  "
Replying To Hardtimes:  "[quote=seanorinn:  "[quote=Hardtimes:  ""We have become reduced to the roles of ticket sellers to keep clubs afloat".
This is actually very true. The GAA likes to slap its back a lot regarding the amount of money that is pumped back into the game at grass roots but clubs get very little. The Blotto and whatever other inventive ways of raising money are what's keeping clubs going. Even at county level local business people and ex pats who have done well for themselves across the water pump a lot of money into the county setups. Corruption has always been part of the GAA- I guess whenever you have a large cash business it's inevitable. You'd wonder where half the money the GAA takes in goes."
Corruption has always been part of the GAA- I guess whenever you have a large cash business it's inevitable. You'd wonder where half the money the GAA takes in goes.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts:351 - 28/07/2016 17:07:40

Thats a huge statement Hartimes (Cavan) something one has to be very careful making ??"
Sometimes hard questions need to be asked. If there's nothing to hide, if all is above board then lets see some accounts published- ones where the sums add up."]Thats a huge statement Hartimes (Cavan) something one has to be very careful making ??"]Sometimes hard questions need to be asked. If there's nothing to hide, if all is above board then lets see some accounts published- ones where the sums add up.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts:353 - 28/07/2016 17:44:29 1891660

Well I am not an accountant so I cannot answer that question. I am sure you can ask these questions at the AGM and at Congress also if you are in any doubt."]Oh I know I can ask alright Sean. I can also play handball against a stack of hay but all I'd get back was a dull thud.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 28/07/2016 18:02:04    1891667

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Replying To Hardtimes:  "
Replying To seanorinn:  "[quote=Hardtimes:  "[quote=seanorinn:  "[quote=Hardtimes:  ""We have become reduced to the roles of ticket sellers to keep clubs afloat".
This is actually very true. The GAA likes to slap its back a lot regarding the amount of money that is pumped back into the game at grass roots but clubs get very little. The Blotto and whatever other inventive ways of raising money are what's keeping clubs going. Even at county level local business people and ex pats who have done well for themselves across the water pump a lot of money into the county setups. Corruption has always been part of the GAA- I guess whenever you have a large cash business it's inevitable. You'd wonder where half the money the GAA takes in goes."
Corruption has always been part of the GAA- I guess whenever you have a large cash business it's inevitable. You'd wonder where half the money the GAA takes in goes.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts:351 - 28/07/2016 17:07:40

Thats a huge statement Hartimes (Cavan) something one has to be very careful making ??"
Sometimes hard questions need to be asked. If there's nothing to hide, if all is above board then lets see some accounts published- ones where the sums add up."]Thats a huge statement Hartimes (Cavan) something one has to be very careful making ??"]Sometimes hard questions need to be asked. If there's nothing to hide, if all is above board then lets see some accounts published- ones where the sums add up.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts:353 - 28/07/2016 17:44:29 1891660

Well I am not an accountant so I cannot answer that question. I am sure you can ask these questions at the AGM and at Congress also if you are in any doubt."]Oh I know I can ask alright Sean. I can also play handball against a stack of hay but all I'd get back was a dull thud."]Well I am not an accountant so I cannot answer that question. I am sure you can ask these questions at the AGM and at Congress also if you are in any doubt."]Oh I know I can ask alright Sean. I can also play handball against a stack of hay but all I'd get back was a dull thud.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts:354 - 28/07/2016 18:02:04 1891667

Okay out of my league then ??? :)

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4549 - 28/07/2016 21:01:26    1891720

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Replying To seanorinn:  "We have created a monster and now we have to feed him"
27 July 2016

Sean Fogarty ©INPHO/Cathal Noonan
Former Munster Council chairman Sean Fogarty believes the new GAA/GPA deal will drive a wedge between inter-county and club players.

The GAA and GPA unveiled details on Monday of a new framework agreement for the period 2017-2019 which includes a number of significant increases in benefits for inter-county players.

When asked for his reaction by The Examiner, the Tipperary man replied: "In one sentence, we have created a monster and now we have to feed him.

"I would have serious reservations about just how much is being made available to the inter-county player when it's the club player who is struggling most."

He continued: "Clubs are on their knees, struggling to pay €1,000 to affiliate junior B teams that are vaguely interested in playing football and hurling.

"I have the height of respect for inter-county players but there is an imbalance between how club and county players are treated.

"I was on the bus to Cavan to watch the Tipperary footballers last Saturday with ordinary guys and they're all struggling.

"We have become reduced to the roles of ticket sellers to keep clubs afloat.

"We're begging the same people time after time for the sake of the club.

"If we can give over €6m a year to guys who are already well treated and don't have to buy a bit of gear and get overnight stays, then surely we can do more to recognise sacrifices made by club players."

I have to agree with Sean Fogarty.

I wonder what is next on the cards. Who pay's all this money and where will county boards get the revenue to pay the extra milage allowance ect. 90% of the counties will not have the revenue to pay all these extra expenses so what happens.?? This will divide the weaker counties even more for they will not be able to compete with the Demands that the GPA will be imposing on them.
I highlighted a short paragraph from Sean Fogarty's post above."
Sean Tomsmith here
I agree with you it will drive a wedge between club and County players
Perhaps if the GPA did a pole and see how many County players in Clubs train teams, fun-raise, ie sell a few tickets or take part in any club affairs, the GPA might get a view how County players are totally aloof from club affairs

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3261 - 31/07/2016 15:57:13    1892863

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Sean Tomsmith here
I agree with you it will drive a wedge between club and County players
Perhaps if the GPA did a pole and see how many County players in Clubs train teams, fun-raise, ie sell a few tickets or take part in any club affairs, the GPA might get a view how County players are totally aloof from club affairs"
Sean Tomsmith here
I agree with you it will drive a wedge between club and County players
Perhaps if the GPA did a pole and see how many County players in Clubs train teams, fun-raise, ie sell a few tickets or take part in any club affairs, the GPA might get a view how County players are totally aloof from club affairs
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts:2675 - 31/07/2016 15:57:13 1892863
Yes Tom for a change I agree with you

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4549 - 31/07/2016 19:36:57    1893074

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The clubs have the power, but go to any of the County Board meetings on a Monday night, and there's very few that will actually stand up and be counted, hence the reason why Terry Hyland will continue as Cavan manager.
Majority of chairperson's and club secretary's wont challenge the CB. clubs feed the County Board, fundraisers, lotto sales, Bingo, Strictly come dancing, with the majority of money going to the Co Board, for what, to finance a warm weather training camp to Portugal, and then 3/4 weeks later to be knocked out by Derry! GPS trackers for the players (€50k sanctioned by the Co Board despite the fact that they have no money) for what?
The club is its people, but sadly, the people are forgotten about. The 6m euro towards players is small change to what the fat cats in Croke Park are making.

deanmartin (Cavan) - Posts: 643 - 02/08/2016 10:00:55    1893884

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Replying To deanmartin:  "The clubs have the power, but go to any of the County Board meetings on a Monday night, and there's very few that will actually stand up and be counted, hence the reason why Terry Hyland will continue as Cavan manager.
Majority of chairperson's and club secretary's wont challenge the CB. clubs feed the County Board, fundraisers, lotto sales, Bingo, Strictly come dancing, with the majority of money going to the Co Board, for what, to finance a warm weather training camp to Portugal, and then 3/4 weeks later to be knocked out by Derry! GPS trackers for the players (€50k sanctioned by the Co Board despite the fact that they have no money) for what?
The club is its people, but sadly, the people are forgotten about. The 6m euro towards players is small change to what the fat cats in Croke Park are making."
Deano.. I don't often agree with you but to me its all getting a little sour. We need to go back and revisit Hayes hotel. Forget about the type of football that is being played at the moment that just the evolution of the game, but the structures of the GAA is now being driven by salesmen with something to sell. The GAA should never be for sale

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 430 - 02/08/2016 10:57:57    1893920

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Replying To deanmartin:  "The clubs have the power, but go to any of the County Board meetings on a Monday night, and there's very few that will actually stand up and be counted, hence the reason why Terry Hyland will continue as Cavan manager.
Majority of chairperson's and club secretary's wont challenge the CB. clubs feed the County Board, fundraisers, lotto sales, Bingo, Strictly come dancing, with the majority of money going to the Co Board, for what, to finance a warm weather training camp to Portugal, and then 3/4 weeks later to be knocked out by Derry! GPS trackers for the players (€50k sanctioned by the Co Board despite the fact that they have no money) for what?
The club is its people, but sadly, the people are forgotten about. The 6m euro towards players is small change to what the fat cats in Croke Park are making."
The club is its people, but sadly, the people are forgotten about. The 6m euro towards players is small change to what the fat cats in Croke Park are making.

deanmartin (Cavan) - Posts:591 - 02/08/2016 10:00:55 1893884


Can you tell me who will benefit from this. The management at the head table of the GPA or the county players. I think this is the rock that will kill the GAA as an amateur sport and we will lose so many players and clubs as a result. I am against a UNION but I am only one person.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4549 - 02/08/2016 13:05:23    1894004

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Replying To deanmartin:  "The clubs have the power, but go to any of the County Board meetings on a Monday night, and there's very few that will actually stand up and be counted, hence the reason why Terry Hyland will continue as Cavan manager.
Majority of chairperson's and club secretary's wont challenge the CB. clubs feed the County Board, fundraisers, lotto sales, Bingo, Strictly come dancing, with the majority of money going to the Co Board, for what, to finance a warm weather training camp to Portugal, and then 3/4 weeks later to be knocked out by Derry! GPS trackers for the players (€50k sanctioned by the Co Board despite the fact that they have no money) for what?
The club is its people, but sadly, the people are forgotten about. The 6m euro towards players is small change to what the fat cats in Croke Park are making."
Deano.. I don't often agree with you but to me its all getting a little sour. We need to go back and revisit Hayes hotel. Forget about the type of football that is being played at the moment that just the evolution of the game, but the structures of the GAA is now being driven by salesmen with something to sell. The GAA should never be for sale

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 430 - 03/08/2016 17:25:08    1894951

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