Elevenaside - Anthony Pilkington and Norwich City's Irish trio?
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02/10/2011 11:29:54
Seamus89
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Listening to Live After Five yesterday, some guy rang in and said that Trap should consider "Hoolahan, Tierney and Pilkington" on the basis of how they had played against Utd. Later on, on the Premier League show, the commentator spoke about "Ireland's Wes Hoolahan and Anthony Pilkington".

Does anyone know if this is right? Does Pilkington qualify? I've found nothing on the net to suggest that he does. And what about Tierney?

And as a broader question, could any of the Utd fans or anyone else watching the Norwich game yesterday (Slayer, Miketyson, etc) comment on Pilkington? I saw him miss a great chance, but is he good enough for Trap to take a look at him in a friendly?
02/10/2011 12:43:35
Sergeant_Slash
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After Pilkingtons embarrassing miss I'd leave him out. Didnt even hit the target from a one on one situation.
02/10/2011 17:04:26
dermot_trellis
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Tierney definitely qualifies for us, his brother got a couple of Ireland U21 caps a while back I believe. Tardelli was supposed to have been at a Norwich game a week or two back specifically to watch him. We could certainly use more left fullback options if he's amenable to coming on board. Not sure about Pilkington to be honest. Hoolahan has actually already been in a few early Trapattoni squads back in 2008 and got a bit of game time but didn't feature since then, just doesn't seem to be "Trap's type of player".
02/10/2011 17:06:50
pplocal
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Yeah all three are eligible. Pilkington has played for the Republic at under-21's and Tierney is the younger brother of Paul who played at under-21 level as well. If they have a good season then why not, they could have their eyes on England however
02/10/2011 18:27:51
Seamus89
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Tierney seems pretty old to be only emerging now. I know Stephen Ward is no spring chicken either though. Wish Ciaran Clark was playing week in week out for Villa, left back is becoming a nightmare for us.
02/10/2011 18:44:05
bullring
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Seamus if we dont win our next two games the only thing Trapp will be looking at is his p45. Do you agree?
02/10/2011 19:08:00
Seamus89
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Bullring

Yes. If we don't get to the play-offs at least, he should not be given a new contract. But I'd don't necessarily agree that qualification should be required; I mean if we draw some brilliant team in the play-offs and lose, then I'd have an open mind as regards extending that contract by 2 years.
17/10/2011 17:20:29
dermot_trellis
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Pilkington with 2 goals at the weekend there. If not for our current glut of other striking options I'd be advocating bringing him into the squad for the next round of friendlies. Admittedly none of them seem to be quite at the top level but have we ever had so many Irish (or Irish-eligible) strikers doing reasonably well in the Premier League? If you go back 5 years to Brian Kerr's era we had Keane, Clinton Morrison, and beyond that it was the likes of Stephen Elliott or 'The Doc' off the subs bench.
17/10/2011 17:52:31
Seamus89
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Good point Dermot, Trap is spoilt for choice up front at the moment. Keane, Doyle, Long, Walters, Cox, Best...and now Pilkington. Given the poverty of options at his disposal elsewhere (left back, centre-midfield), he can be glad of that much.
17/10/2011 19:20:23
psloyan
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Wikipedia on Anthony Pilkington - "He received a call-up to the Republic of Ireland under-21 squad in October 2008; not knowing he was eligible to play for Republic of Ireland national sides until a scout enquired of his availability. He qualifies through his paternal grandmother from Dublin but has not yet declared his national side, so may still play for the English national team despite playing for the Republic of Ireland under-21s. He played in the 3-0 away victory over Lithuania, where he impressed and even hit the woodwork."
18/10/2011 12:35:35
s goldrick
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i think hoolihan is a very good player but as someone else mentioned on here he is not "trappatoni's type" i.e. he can pass the pass the ball to a team-mate. such a pity we never seem to have room for a creative midfielder in our squads. going back through the years. remember liam O' Brien, stephen McPhail,Andy Reid,wilo flood,john sheridan. none of these ever got fair play because they were seen as not "the type2 of player we needed. sheridan I suppose was lucky enough in that he got to play in the world cup in '94 but the others never got a look in
18/10/2011 12:48:35
Breffni39
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s goldrick
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1053935 i think hoolihan is a very good player but as someone else mentioned on here he is not "trappatoni's type" i.e. he can pass the pass the ball to a team-mate. such a pity we never seem to have room for a creative midfielder in our squads. going back through the years. remember liam O' Brien, stephen McPhail,Andy Reid,wilo flood,john sheridan. none of these ever got fair play because they were seen as not "the type2 of player we needed. sheridan I suppose was lucky enough in that he got to play in the world cup in '94 but the others never got a look in


Liam O'Brien was just before my time so can't comment. Stephen McPhail was never the same after the injury, and would have as many caps as Duffer and Robbie otherwise. Willo Flood is not the same type of player and not international standard. Andy Reid was given several chances. John Sheridan was a good player but always faced stiff competition from Ronnie Whelan, Andy Townsend, Paul McGrath etc. I'd venture the same is probably true for Liam O'Brien actually. So all in all I don't think you have a point.
18/10/2011 12:53:05
Breffni39
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Who's place in the team should Wes Hoolahan take anyway?
20/10/2011 10:53:59
s goldrick
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breff I certainly do have a point. Ireland are not blesses with a large pool of players to choose from and there should be room for creative midfielders in the panel. hoolihan is not even in the panel. I reckon he could come in in midfield for whelan or Andrews. (after all they don't do alot in an irish jersey) or trapp could drop one of his strikers and play wes between , linking midfield to striker. there are plenty of options open to trapp but he is too scared. he chooses the "safe" option all the time.
20/10/2011 11:03:29
Breffni39
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20/10/2011 10:53:59
s goldrick
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1055196 breff I certainly do have a point. Ireland are not blesses with a large pool of players to choose from and there should be room for creative midfielders in the panel. hoolihan is not even in the panel. I reckon he could come in in midfield for whelan or Andrews. (after all they don't do alot in an irish jersey) or trapp could drop one of his strikers and play wes between , linking midfield to striker. there are plenty of options open to trapp but he is too scared. he chooses the "safe" option all the time.


If he dropped one of the strikers you'd be whinging about Trapp not playing Long, Doyle, Best, Walters or Cox then. As for creative midfielders, We have Fahey and McCarthy in the squad, who both have more top-level experience than Hoolahan. You're criticising for the sake of it. He can't pick a squad to suit everybody. I like Hoolahan, but at this moment in time I wouldn't pick him in the squad ahead of any of the midfielders/wingers/strikers except Keogh and i'd pick Best ahead of both of them.
20/10/2011 11:28:37
s goldrick
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I am not critisising for the sake of it. I hate the way ireland are playing under trapp. it makes me cringe. i just want someone to play proper football. can you not see that. how on earth can you be satisfied with the current fare on offer. it is terrible to watch. I couldn't care less that we got into a play-off. (as i said before you have to be pretty crappy not to make the play-offs). we could have got in without the draws in russia and slovakia. we need to make progress on the football field in terms of creativity and all i am saying is that we have some irish players who could maybe add something to the panel.
20/10/2011 11:51:57
Breffni39
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So who do you drop then? Name your ideal Irish team for the playoff and how many times have you actually seen Hoolahan play 90 mins?
20/10/2011 15:15:07
dermot_trellis
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It's very easy to casually write off the achievement of making a playoff.. we missed out 3 times in a row before Trap so it's hardly something we should take for granted.

I don't think Trap has an aversion to skilful midfielders as such, he's given Gibson plenty of chances and Gibson is certainly a player who can pass the ball nicely when he wants to, if only the rest of his game could match that. McCarthy would probably be a regular starter by now if he'd shown up for all the friendlies. He seems to have made the call that Hoolahan doesn't fit the bill, I think he might only play him in a 5 man midfield where we had the other players to do the defensive work and give him time and space.

It's a real pity that Steven Reid is so injury prone, the couple of games where he was available demonstrated that the Trap system is really one player away from producing a type of football that people would be much happier with. I'm hopeful that if we make the Euros a suitable player in this role will emerge over the subsequent six months (McCarthy, Meyler maybe?) and take their place in the team.
20/10/2011 15:30:36
Breffni39
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Jeff Hendrick? Doing well for Derby at the minute and apparently interesting the likes of West Brom. Haven't seen much of him but is he the type of player we need?

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