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18/06/2011 10:08:44
legendzxix
County: Kerry
Posts: 3082

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Champions League Second qualifying round draw takes place on Monday 20 June 2011. Shamrock Rovers will be among the seeded teams, hopefully giving them a good chance of progressing to the 3rd round. If they make the 3rd round, they will at least enter the play-off round of the Europa League.

Europa League First and Second qualifying draws also takes place on Monday 20 June 2011. St. Pat's will be among the seeded teams for the 1st round draw. If they progress, they along with Bohemians will be seeded for the 2nd round draw.

Sligo are already guaranteed a place in the Third qualifying round. By virtue of FC Porto winning the Europa League Cup rather than Sporting Braga, Sligo Rovers - as FAI Ford Cup winners - were forwarded to the 3rd round.

Depending on the draw, Shamrock Rovers should be capable of at least making the Europa League play-offs, minimum 6 games in Europe in the process. St. Pat's being seeded for the first two rounds should see them join Sligo in the 3rd round draw, providing Pat's with 6 games as well. It's hard to know with Boh's after all the goings on in the last few months. Despite all the changes, the club will surely want to make up for last years European nightmare and get through one round. There is a good chance all 4 Irish clubs will make August. If any make it to September, it'll be group stages and European football up until December!
18/06/2011 12:49:17
paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 5075

959405
It will be interesting to see the draw, you wont get much response here though from the Keltic and Man Yoo fans.
18/06/2011 13:03:27
legendzxix
County: Kerry
Posts: 3082

959416
Maybe not but Eleven-a-side tradition has always been about discussion on the domestic league and Irish across the water. There's no reason for both not to co-exist.
18/06/2011 13:21:23
miketyson
County: Limerick
Posts: 2743

959424
is this thread about man united?
18/06/2011 13:30:39
frankbhoy77
County: Antrim
Posts: 1129

959432
Yeah Paddy, that was an in-depth response on the subject by yourself there, keep er lit
18/06/2011 14:54:38
Damo1972
County: Meath
Posts: 784

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Legend, it'd be great to see any Irish team make it to the group stages of either competition. I'd dearly love to see it, but unfortunately, I don't think it's likely. You never know, depending on the draw, maybe Rovers would have the best shot at making the Europa League. It's a pity that one or 2 teams can't make that final step into the groups. I think it would make more people take the LOI seriously, and maybe attend, if they thought the standard was a bit better. It doesn't actually matter how good the football is, it's how good it's perceived to be. Even though there's a fair amount of decent football playedin the LOI, the perception is otherwise. Irish teams in the group stages would improve the profile of the league.
18/06/2011 15:43:25
legendzxix
County: Kerry
Posts: 3082

959541
Agreed Damo. Irish clubs are only going to gain respect by performing better in Europe. It's a vicious circle though. They need more support to be in a better position to do well in Europe but are only likely to gain support by doing better in Europe in the first place.

An Irish club making a group stage is the holy grail at the moment. They'll have guaranteed publicity from September to December. Any progress has to be sustained though. It's been argued good results in the past have not had a positive knock on affect. One hit wonders are not going to have much of an impact in the long-term.

If Shamrock Rovers managed to constantly knock on the door at the play-off stage for the group stage over a few years, I think a story can build like Ireland attempts to make the break through to a major competition. If it's seen to be the result of constant progress, I think it will gain support when the break through is made.
18/06/2011 18:00:46
HorseOutside
County: UK
Posts: 398

959660
I agree, it would be great if we had more than one Irish team in Europe. Celtic have been flying the Tricolour with pride since European competitions began, but we can't handle the load all on our own. It's time for Shamrock Rovers and the other clubs to step up their efforts to join us in the group stages.
19/06/2011 11:42:50
MesAmis
County: Dublin
Posts: 7198

959959
If Rovers won the Champions League and St. Pats won the Europa League beating Sligo in the final it wouldn't make any difference. Irish people don't like following soccer.
19/06/2011 16:55:04
john.no1
County: Sligo
Posts: 445

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we have a good chance in the europa league considering we are in the 3rd qualifier. i think there is 4 to get to the group stage but a good a chance as any of the rest of the irish sides. unlikely we will qualify considering we could play the likes of atletico madrid or stoke first. still have the best chance of qualifying in my opinion, not being biased. however, any chance we have depends on if the match is played at the showgrounds. unlikely at this stage due to a lack of seating. it looks as if the match could be played in dublin or even thomond park which would be a disgrace, leaving sligo with the possibility of playing 2 away matches to progress! nearly unbeatable in ireland at the showgrounds( bar the bohs match)
19/06/2011 21:32:51
legendzxix
County: Kerry
Posts: 3082

960551
Sure look, if Sligo don't have a ground for European games, there can't be complaints about playing the game in a suitable venue. I'd imagine it'll be best to play in the nearest ground up to standard.

All Irish clubs should look at getting to round 3, where Sligo are already. It's that round on that can provide some top class opposition. Irish clubs need to have opposition like that coming every year to raise their own profiles.
In the champions league, it is of absolute importance Shamrock Rover get by their first challengers. It opens the path of a good game in the next round. They are also guaranteed at least a Europa League play-off place where they'll get another top class game. More big games and top names coming to Ireland for competitive games are what's needed. It doesn't have to be group stage. The rounds before the play-offs and the play-offs themselves can produce good games as well.
19/06/2011 21:35:55
hipster
County: Dublin
Posts: 2374

960555
we always had good teams in europe the like of man u , leeds , liverpool , celtic , arsenal , chelsea , rangers
20/06/2011 09:33:19
legendzxix
County: Kerry
Posts: 3082

960614
Shamrock Rovers grouping for the draw:

Group 3
Seeded: FC BATE Borisov (BLR), Rosenborg BK (NOR), Wisła Kraków (POL), HJK Helsinki (FIN), Malmö FF (SWE), Shamrock Rovers FC (IRL)

Unseeded: Skonto FC (LVA), Bangor City FC (WAL), HB Tórshavn (FRO), Linfield FC (NIR), FC Flora Tallinn (EST), Breidablik (ISL)
20/06/2011 10:04:22
men_of_49
County: Meath
Posts: 1914

960646
Irish clubs have a decent chance of progressing through a few rounds this year with the way the seedings worked out and Sligo getting straight through to the 3rd round. Best of luck to all and hopefully they will get favourable draws to give them a chance of getting through.
20/06/2011 11:44:35
legendzxix
County: Kerry
Posts: 3082

960743
Shamrock Rovers have drawn FC Flora Tallinn of Estonia.
20/06/2011 12:05:06
if_in_doubt
County: Kildare
Posts: 2619

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Not the toughest of draws for them but having the second leg in Estonia could make it tricky.

Live streaming of the Europa League draw here for anybody interested - http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2012/draws/index.html
20/06/2011 12:12:52
legendzxix
County: Kerry
Posts: 3082

960782
St. Pat's have drawn ÍBV from Iceland.
20/06/2011 13:54:44
legendzxix
County: Kerry
Posts: 3082

960931
All draws have been made:

Champions League Round 2 Qualifier (12-13 July 2011 & 19-20 July 2011)
Shamrock Rovers FC (IRL) v FC Flora Tallinn (EST)

Europa League Round 1 Qualifier (30 June 2011 & 7 July 2011)
ÍBV Vestmannaeyar (Iceland) v St Patrick's Athletic

Europa League Round 2 Qualifiers (14 July 2011 & 21 July 2011)
Koper (Slovenia) / Shakhter Karagandy (Kazakhstan) v ÍBV Vestmannaeyar (Iceland)/ St Patrick's Athletic
Široki Brijeg (Bosnia and Herzegovina) / Olimpija Ljubljana (Slovenia) v Bohemians

Next draw: 15 July 2011. Sligo Rovers are guaranteed to be involved. Shamrock Rover, St. Pat's and Boh's will all have to battle for their places.
28/06/2011 13:34:36
legendzxix
County: Kerry
Posts: 3082

969235
Thursday, 30 June 2011
IBV Vestmannaeyjar v St Patricks, R1, L1, 19:00

Pat's kick off Irish involvement in Europe this Thursday. Being away from home, an away score draw or a win will be do ok ahead of the return leg in Dublin. Ireland's coefficient needs all the points we can get.
Prediction: Pat's to win 2-1.
30/06/2011 13:26:00
if_in_doubt
County: Kildare
Posts: 2619

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Best of luck to Pat's tonight, won't be an easy trip to make but they'd be doing well to come away with a score draw at least, even a one goal defeat wouldn't be a disaster with the home leg to come next week.

Not sure if many fans were making long the trip up to Iceland but at least it's a scenic spot;

http://footballgroundsinfocus.com/myPictures/Iceland[1].IBV3.jpg

http://www.sigurpall.com/img/stadiums/iceland/ibv.jpg

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