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If_in_doubt do you have links to these statements from Stoker and Sky? I'm not doubting you but haven't seen these myself and would like a read.

Sorry only getting back to you on this now PP, haven't been on much over the last few days.

The David Stoker quotes can be traced back to his Twitter page, and yes it's really him and to be fair to him he comes across as being surprisingly honest and open about his feelings on this and the impact / or lack of impact on both his club and the rest of Scottish football. Can be found here davidstoker_lfc (might have to go back a few days to find the ones relating to the financial impact quotes).

Don't have the link at hand for the Sky situation, it has been mentioned in quite a few pieces over the last two weeks or so, not saying they'll pull out altogether, just that they might choose to renegotiate the deal.

To be fair though the Scottish football deal seems a bit messed up to be honest. It's almost fully based around four Old Firm games a season. But what would happen should either Celtic or Rangers not finish in the top six? Would they pull out then should there only be three Old Firm games?

I'd imagine renegotiation of the deal would probably be for the best anyways. It might give other clubs outside the top two a better split of the money. Also I think the Scottish deal was grossly undervalued from the start.

Then again I'd argue that the value of Scottish football has been grossly underestimated for a long time.

The league attracts more fans to matches than the Belgian league yet the Belgian league has a tv deal worth almost 30 million more than the SPL.

The SPL brings in more than one million more fans than the Swiss and Norwegian leagues yet is earning less than half both these leagues earn for tv deals.

It also brings in twice as many fans as the Danish and Greek leagues yet the tv rights are valued at over 25 million more for these.

Moving on, the reports are now showing the figures and finances of the deal Green got for the dead Rangers assets;

£1 for Goodwill
£1 for SFA Membership
£1 for SPL Share
£1 for Leasehold Interests
£1 for Stock
£5 for Subsidiary Companies Share Capital
£2,749,990 for Player Contracts & Registrations
£1,500,000 for Heritable Properties
£1,250,000 for Plant & Machinery

Slightly less than the valuation given with the CVA document which was lodged with the Court of Session;

£109,613,870 Freehold Property Including Ibrox Stadium and Murray Park
£ 2,931,968 Leasehold Property - Albion Road Car Park
£ 620,000 Goodwill
£ 39,495 Trademarks
£ 7,661,456 Player registrations
£ 3,907,345 Fixtures and fittings

Must have been a severe property market crash over the last few months. I can see the liquidators and HMRC taking a closer look at this one now. Especially if the SFA transfer across Rangers SFA licence (separate from their SPL licence) which could see the history and that carry over and continue, could really make it open season on Sevco if that were to happen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18797395

This is getting beyond a joke now.

Duff and Duffer are just a joke. When BDO get a hold of the accounts I expect a lot more fur to fly and a lot more fallout to fly out of I-Brokes. They want to be quick though, i doubt Tesco will wait forever for Mordor....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18813407

Despite the report above saying Rangers will be voted into Division 3, I have my doubts and suspicions.

Yes Legend.

The wagons have circled but the SFL cubs seem keen not to bow down and agree to letting Newco in. Last week i thought it was Div 1 for Mordor, but as the week has gone on and considering the very real possibility that Mordor itself will have to be flogged to keep newco alive Division 3 and integrity could well be the decision made.

Thats not for the lack of trying by the corrupt powers that be. The SPL/SFA should hang their heads in shame for trying their best to engineer an escape route for the Establishment team.

Doncaster & Regan have recently become converted to the reality that Scottish Football is at the crossroads and what is needed is a unified body to bring it forward. It will also benefit from expanding the number of Clubs in the top tier, intoducing promotion/relegation play offs etc. stc. All of these changes will be good for the game and herald the dawning of a new era. O.K. then can anyone tell me why are all these positive moves conditional on SEVCO starting in Div. 1. Why can't they introduce them anyway regardless of the result of the vote if they genuinely believe they are good for the Scottish game.

Rhegan and his cohorts are doing their utmost to push Rangers into division 1 even though the it's against the vast majority of SFL clubs, their fans and, most importantly, the Rangers faithful. This whole mess is their own doing. They hit Rangers with sanction after sanction that were completely disproportionate to the offences committed and only now are realising that they have left Scottish football in complete disarray. It's mildly amusing watching them desperately scrabble about for a way in which they can parachute Rangers in Division 1, the latest ploy is trying to implement changes that they themselves in the past had said were unworkable. Rangers simply have to be in Division 3 next year and SPL clubs and SFL clubs realise this, they deserve huge credit for ultimately sacrificing their own existence in the interests of sporting integrity. It will also mean Rangers will be the first Scottish club to win every division in Scotland which will be another fine achievement to add to the glittering history of this remarkable club

Ha Ha pp where would we be without you. R*ngers were hit with 1 sanction which is an automatic 10 point deduction for going into Administration. They have since gone out of business and Sevco are attempting to take their place. SEVCO were not kicked out of the SPL, they were never members in the first place. There was also a transfer embargo but that was overturned in the Courts. The European rule appertains to all Clubs, you have to have 3 years Accounts and your Accounts must be submitted in time. No bias against Oldco or Sevco there either. I have no problem with another well supported Glasgow team emerging to provide a challenging environment to Celtic and I have every expectation that this will happen in time. If this new entity wins some lower Division Titles as they develop, I have no problems at all with that. It is looking increasingly likely that the NEWCO won't survive too long so we will probably be talking about the NEWNEWCO before this season ends.

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Rhegan and his cohorts are doing their utmost to push Rangers into division 1 even though the it's against the vast majority of SFL clubs, their fans and, most importantly, the Rangers faithful. This whole mess is their own doing. They hit Rangers with sanction after sanction that were completely disproportionate to the offences committed and only now are realising that they have left Scottish football in complete disarray. It's mildly amusing watching them desperately scrabble about for a way in which they can parachute Rangers in Division 1, the latest ploy is trying to implement changes that they themselves in the past had said were unworkable. Rangers simply have to be in Division 3 next year and SPL clubs and SFL clubs realise this, they deserve huge credit for ultimately sacrificing their own existence in the interests of sporting integrity. It will also mean Rangers will be the first Scottish club to win every division in Scotland which will be another fine achievement to add to the glittering history of this remarkable club

Yeah the sanctions were completely disproportionate alright.

Cheated their way to numerous league and cup wins, not paying tax, possible duel contracts for a number of years, and an underhanded sale to Green which should now be called into question, robbing people out of over £100 million plus in the process...

Yeah a ten point deduction was completely out touch with the actual offenses carried out.

Anyways at least if they end up in Division Three they'll have the chance to match Gretnas achievement of winning three different divisions in a row.

Wouldn't be surprised to see the SFL clubs vote them into the third and then for the SFA to turn around and again move the goalposts on them.

Good on the SFL clubs. The New Bears are into division 3 according to the below

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/18798033

Doncaster and Regan now have to go, no credibility whatsoever. Sevco will do well to get into Division 3, I expect padlocks on Ibrox this season.

25 out of the 30 SFL clubs said no to newco.

I wonder what Regan and Doncaster will come up with now to save their beloved Newco.......

I never thought this day would come. I honestly never thought it would happen, but justice has been done. All the years of cheating, lying, scheming, buying titles, buying entry to Europe have come home to roost.

Bye bye Newco, don't let the door smack you on the backside on the way out. More jelly and ice-cream, yes i think so. Might even get some Ben and Jerrys tonight!!!!

The scenes around Scottish grounds outside Glasgow as the news broke link

Wonder how long now before the wheels are put in motion for reconstruction of the leagues next season that'll see Sevco moved up to the SPL 2?

Incredible day, who would ever have believed it. I do expect and indeed would welcome a re-organisation of Scottish Soccer. I expect that the 42 Clubs will be reorganised into 3 Divisions including SPL. Which will mean that it will take 2 years instead of 3 for them to get back to the top table. The main thing though is that Clubs of all sizes stood up to the Establishment and did the honest thing. O.K. there will be financial problems and it could hurt Celtic as well as some of the smaller Clubs but at least the soul of the game is intact and in time the game will recover and be the better for it.

Ben and Jerrys eh Tribe, you're pushing the boat out a bit aren't you!

Well Corkcelt, now is the chance. A larger SPL is needed and now is the chance to do it. A serious reorganisation of scottish football root and branch can now be done.

Regan and Doncaster have to go. They have their true colours and throughout this sorry mess have acted purely on behalf of the establishment. That is scandalous.

Utterly fantastic news, justice has been done. Rangers fans I knew genuinely thought the powers that be would get their way but several Scottish clubs sacrificed themselves for sporting integrity. I agree fully that Rhegan has to go along with Doncaster, given how they have acted through this whole farce their positions are now untenable. For Rangers the rebuilding process starts now, it may take a few years but with their support and a good group of young, hungry Scottish players they will soon get back where they belong. The only thing certain is the SPL they come back to will be hugely different to the one they left with numerous clubs having ceased to exist. Their fans mightn't have a club to support but thinking of sporting integrity will keep them occupied on a Saturday afternoon. Well done the SFL

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Utterly fantastic news, justice has been done. Rangers fans I knew genuinely thought the powers that be would get their way but several Scottish clubs sacrificed themselves for sporting integrity. I agree fully that Rhegan has to go along with Doncaster, given how they have acted through this whole farce their positions are now untenable. For Rangers the rebuilding process starts now, it may take a few years but with their support and a good group of young, hungry Scottish players they will soon get back where they belong. The only thing certain is the SPL they come back to will be hugely different to the one they left with numerous clubs having ceased to exist. Their fans mightn't have a club to support but thinking of sporting integrity will keep them occupied on a Saturday afternoon. Well done the SFL

As long as there's fans there'll be a club to support.

If not then at least they'll be safe in the knowledge that they can liquidate, walk away from debts and start afresh in the lower tiers of Scottish football.

SPL2 on the cards and coming soon. It really is some joke. Those running the show are making a mockery of clubs and their league.

Taken from BBC's website


RANGERS STATEMENT ON CLUB WEBSITE
"Rangers' future remains uncertain after the Scottish Football League clubs voted against the Light Blues playing in the First Division next season.

"At a meeting at Hampden today, the 30 member clubs agreed to accept Rangers into the SFL but voted against the SFL board being allowed to broker a deal with the SPL and SFA over new structures and procedures which would also include Rangers playing in Division One.

"It is now understood that on the back of a briefing SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster and SFA counterpart Stewart Regan gave to clubs last week that the SPL will introduce a plan for SPL 2 - which would include Rangers - and invite existing Division One members to join."

That if true stinks to high heaven.

On another note we play Real Madrid in a glamour friendly in the US on 11/08. On that day Sevco should be at Peterhead.........

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!

Ah dont be so hard on SEVCO pp They might be hard up but I'm sure they can stump up for a few sandwiches. Much and all as I dislike any Club playing out of Ibrox I'd hate to see their good young players going hungry. On a more serious note I see from the official R*ngers site that they expect an immediate establishment of an SPL2 which in effect would circumvent todays decision.