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No Ambition?

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So Malachy is staying on for ONE more season,no surprise as he did have an agreement with the county board back in 2015 that he would be Monaghan manager until the end of the 2017 season.

Next season will see us have the same Manager,the same backroom team and the same voice's for the 5th season in a row and this after coming off a very poor year which saw us become very predictable and very easy to beat.

Where is the Ambition gone to in this county?

From winning two senior Ulster titles,One Minor Ulster title and One Under 21 title in 4 years our county board seem happy to just be hanging around the top 8, instead of pushing our best Generation of footballers in over 30 years to try and win an ALL IRELAND.

If Malachy O'Rourke wants to stay on why has he not looked for at least 3 more years???

Why has he not made a statement to the County board and the players that he intends to build a team around the Under 21's and the core group of our senior team that we have at the minute.

Why hasnt he come clean and cut the cord on the older players that he has hung onto this season and treated so badly by not playing them and only given certain one or two brilliant footballers a few minutes when the games were crying out for them to come in sooner.

He hasnt even made a comment on staying on and what he hopes to change,the statement from the county board is weak and lacks the Ambition and drive to make sure we come back stronger over the next 6 months.

We need a management team that is smart,ruthless and driven to win an All Ireland,an Ulster Title is not and should not be our main aim anymore.

We need a management team that is ready to give youth their chance as we are blessed with some brilliant young footballers,specially in the forward line........

This appointment lacks the energy and enthusiasm of a county that is willing to take the next step in trying to win an All Ireland as this surely is the players main goal in their careers!!

The lack of ambition shown from the County board is very disappionting as this job just seems to be filled for next season just for the sake of it, and know one has the balls to stand up and ask the though questions about where this management team intend leading us to!

As the topic say's No Ambition............

from a very disappointed Monaghan man.

hardcore (Monaghan) - Posts: 1345 - 10/08/2016 15:28:08    1899458

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Have to say am suprised he decided to stay on as both himself and team looked tired last year. At start of year and throughout Spring looked side in transition by summer looked one in decline with same players and system being struck with. Understandable this is the popular decision as memories are fresh of the Ulster titles he helped deliver and great emotion of those days but you can't live in the past. County board are unlikely to be criticised as they know most fans support this decision. Problem is Malachy while still a v good manager combo of him and Monaghan seems to have run its course. Apart from Dublin in league didn't perform once last year. Sincerely hope am wrong am just one guy with an opinion after all on fan forum and he does bring on u 21s to panel next year and reinvigorate the team but fear we will be back here this time next year bemoaning this decision. Some of the posters are predicting the hunger will be back next year not that simple am afraid with same players listening to same voice for 5 years. Football itself also looks to have moved on from the Ulster style of defensive football which managers like Malachy follow.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1373 - 10/08/2016 18:52:06    1899577

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Any suggestions as replacements lads?

CurlyFingers (Monaghan) - Posts: 47 - 12/08/2016 22:36:00    1900465

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Hardcore the best generation of players inthe last 30 years were the team of 07-09 freemans mc quaid jap dick eoin lennon jp mone cCorey in his prime rory woods gollogy apart from mc manus no of the guys at the moment would touch them and their opposition was also much more quality. .malachy deserves 1 more year but does need to freshen it up and bring in the youth forget about dick and become more offensive

stevie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 18 - 13/08/2016 08:30:35    1900501

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Replying To stevie08:  "Hardcore the best generation of players inthe last 30 years were the team of 07-09 freemans mc quaid jap dick eoin lennon jp mone cCorey in his prime rory woods gollogy apart from mc manus no of the guys at the moment would touch them and their opposition was also much more quality. .malachy deserves 1 more year but does need to freshen it up and bring in the youth forget about dick and become more offensive"
I think at this stage we should wait and see what new season brings and wait and if Malachy will have any new changes and strategies I for one am glad he staying on and looking for to Monaghan and another season

Crazyhorses (Monaghan) - Posts: 68 - 13/08/2016 14:08:15    1900575

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At this stage until new season arrives to we see if Malachy brings in any new style of play and tactic changes we have no room to criticise Malachy back room team and foremost the players and panel and I for am glad to see Malachy back and look forward in anticipation to the new season with the long time off I'm sure all will be back all guns blazing to put this year behind them that at this stage is all we can hope for

Crazyhorses (Monaghan) - Posts: 68 - 13/08/2016 14:13:33    1900576

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So Malachy gives an interview to the paper and states he feels the veterans of the team still have lots to offer??

What is that about?

He Had plenty of so called better veterans(Dessie and Jap) sitting on the bench during the championship and didnt use them properly!!

Goes to show what his plans are for next season..................much the same as this one i expect!

Instead of cutting the cord and building a fresh new team with the youth we have coming on he wants to hang on to players who no longer have the legs for intercounty football.................a very disappointing interview from our manager who failed to show any enthusiasm and hunger to bring us back to our best.

hardcore (Monaghan) - Posts: 1345 - 30/08/2016 14:58:31    1908145

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Replying To hardcore:  "So Malachy gives an interview to the paper and states he feels the veterans of the team still have lots to offer??

What is that about?

He Had plenty of so called better veterans(Dessie and Jap) sitting on the bench during the championship and didnt use them properly!!

Goes to show what his plans are for next season..................much the same as this one i expect!

Instead of cutting the cord and building a fresh new team with the youth we have coming on he wants to hang on to players who no longer have the legs for intercounty football.................a very disappointing interview from our manager who failed to show any enthusiasm and hunger to bring us back to our best."
he is only there for another year so why would he bother building a new team. Should of got a new manger 4 year plan to build a team on. thats what i think

UlsterChamp (Monaghan) - Posts: 29 - 31/08/2016 00:09:34    1908464

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Thats the point im trying to make this past year,we are stuck in a rut because Malachy wont change anything and is holding us back................he's just gonna end up ruinning all the GOOD WORK HE HAS DONE IN 13,14,15!!!

will we see a team like this line out next year....................i doubt it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1.C. FORDE
2.K.DUFFY
3.D.WHYLIE
4.R.WHYLIE
5.D.WARD
6.C.WALSHE
7.J.MEALIFF
8.K.HUGHES
9.D.HUGHES
10.R McANESPIE
11.B.McGINN
12.K.O'CONNELL
13.C.McCARTHY
14.J.McCARRON
15.C.McMANUS

R.BEGGAN. F.KELLY. D.MALONE. D.MONE. F.McMAHON .N.McADAM. C.McGUNNIESS. O.DUFFY. S.CAREY. A.LYNCH. K.LOUGHRAN.N.LOUGHMAN.....................

hardcore (Monaghan) - Posts: 1345 - 31/08/2016 14:48:21    1908713

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Replying To hardcore:  "Thats the point im trying to make this past year,we are stuck in a rut because Malachy wont change anything and is holding us back................he's just gonna end up ruinning all the GOOD WORK HE HAS DONE IN 13,14,15!!!

will we see a team like this line out next year....................i doubt it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1.C. FORDE
2.K.DUFFY
3.D.WHYLIE
4.R.WHYLIE
5.D.WARD
6.C.WALSHE
7.J.MEALIFF
8.K.HUGHES
9.D.HUGHES
10.R McANESPIE
11.B.McGINN
12.K.O'CONNELL
13.C.McCARTHY
14.J.McCARRON
15.C.McMANUS

R.BEGGAN. F.KELLY. D.MALONE. D.MONE. F.McMAHON .N.McADAM. C.McGUNNIESS. O.DUFFY. S.CAREY. A.LYNCH. K.LOUGHRAN.N.LOUGHMAN....................."
I totally agree with Hardcore Paul Finlay and Dick Clerken time with d county is over,these men where great servents for d county I think there time is up .they didn't get a game this year,I can't see it getting any easier next year.i think it's time for Malacky o Rourke to move to last year u 21 team and to forget about d old lads.

geardlines (Monaghan) - Posts: 139 - 31/08/2016 22:10:59    1908889

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Midfield is a massive problem for us. At a couple of cship games over the weekend. Both Dmoyne and Inniskeen have a couple of lads that might be capable. They are raw but they have size and strength. Something we have been missing over the past 2 years.

room2 (Monaghan) - Posts: 92 - 05/09/2016 11:43:27    1910157

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Replying To room2:  "Midfield is a massive problem for us. At a couple of cship games over the weekend. Both Dmoyne and Inniskeen have a couple of lads that might be capable. They are raw but they have size and strength. Something we have been missing over the past 2 years."
The modern midfielder doesn't need to be big and raw, big is a help but the most important thing is that he needs to be mobile..

Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 704 - 07/09/2016 15:54:04    1911375

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I think all these posts are still going over old ground no knows what Malachy is going to do until next year each and everyone have a part to play and I have said before they will come out hopefully a hungrier team with there fight back on them from 2013 as far as team is concerned a few changes with the older lads we have a good panel from 1 to 15 and I and a lot more will be right behind them

Crazyhorses (Monaghan) - Posts: 68 - 07/09/2016 19:28:04    1911489

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Replying To Crazyhorses:  "I think all these posts are still going over old ground no knows what Malachy is going to do until next year each and everyone have a part to play and I have said before they will come out hopefully a hungrier team with there fight back on them from 2013 as far as team is concerned a few changes with the older lads we have a good panel from 1 to 15 and I and a lot more will be right behind them"
its going to be a bad year for monaghan. thats all am saying

UlsterChamp (Monaghan) - Posts: 29 - 08/09/2016 13:47:38    1911840

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Some natural pessimism here after the early end to the season but the next 2-3 years are potentially really exciting for Monaghan football. I know there is some questioning of MOR staying on for one more year and I think it should have been a proper term or nothing.
Kieran Hughes(?) said after one game that Monaghan were trying to play a more attacking game and in fairness they did create a few chances but the loss to Longford was a complete disaster. It had all the hallmarks of Monaghan 2011/2012, wide open for a very poor Longford team to get a handy win. Six day turn around or not it was a terrible result. Overall Monaghan's approach this year was too complicated with 2 sweepers and players running around not making the right choices or any choice. I think the fault for this is more management than players. That said I did favour MOR staying on, he has the confidence of the players but he now needs to show real change in the team's approach. I'd look for Monaghan to go to a more orthodox style. Midfield is a problem and Monaghan seemed to have a combination Corey, K. Duffy, D & K Hughes, O'Connell and Kelly playing there at different times. It worked against Down but less so as the season went on.

Monaghan's strengths seem to have moved to the attacking side of the game with McManus, McCarthy, McCarron, McAnespie, O Duffy, Carey,
K Hughes, McGinn all seeming to have the talent to play at the top level. I think unfortunately the boat has sailed for Daniel McKenna. If Chris McGuinness could be enticed back that would give Monaghan 9 potential forwards that you'd back to pop a score from 30 metres. Monaghan have to start 6 of these every game depending on form.

I'd put McAdam back to CHB - when he was there in 2013 Monaghan didn't concede a goal and the highest score against them was 14pts. My half-back line would be D.Hughes, N. McAdam and K O'Connell. I wouldn't be too bothered about having an attacking CHB.

If Monaghan don't unearth a new midfield then I would like to see K Duffy / Fintan Kelly get a run there in the McKenna cup.
They are both big, strong and mobile. At worst you'd imagine they could negate the opposition. If the first midfield named in the McKenna cup or league is two from O'Connell/McAdam/Hughes then it'll be a short year.

One major problem for Monaghan is that not too many of the younger players are taking on the dominant roles and putting their mark on the
team the way Vinnie Corey or Dessie Mone etc did in the past. Some of the guys in their early to mid-twenties now need to step up.

On the plus side I don't think Donegal are better than Monaghan. Tyrone are a lot of hype with only Donnelly and Harte looking to be top class players (outside of the veterans). Cavan are just too stodgy and slow and the rest aren't particularly good either. There's scope for Monaghan to get over this years bump and win another Ulster but until all the players up their games they are not going to make an All-Ireland final or semi-final. The 2013 Ulster final is the last time they really blitzed a team and that level of intensity is what Dublin and Kerry always bring to the table. If Monaghan can't match that (and it's a worry after losing to Longford) then further progress will remain beyond them. If they can then they potentially have the forward to make real progress but it's going to be tough (as it should be and is for every team).

So MOR needs to simplify the game plan and look to attack. At the top level games are often close in to the final minutes and all forwards on the pitch need to be capable of scoring. Also he needs to have a more consistent selection. Just as important, the players also have to step it up to the next level if they want to take the big prizes. This year I don't think league position is important but style of play is and getting the team set up correctly. I'd like to see the inhibitions that bedevil Monaghan football when it comes to the crunch thrown aside.

PolicemanFox (Monaghan) - Posts: 53 - 08/09/2016 15:22:32    1911901

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So a 3 year stay has been agreed which is ok aslong as Malachy changes his approach to a more attacking team.

We have the forwards..................hopefully they will all stay fit next year.

Time to tell the older players that they clearly arent in his plans specially with last years Under 21 team coming through.I would hold on to Dessie and Vinny they have a roll to play coming in from the bench.

I believe Dinky McBride should be brought in to replace Finbarr fitz as Dinky would be a more forward thinking coach and would know the Under 21 lads best and now is the time too build a new more attacking team and stop playing this negitive football that is getting us nowhere.

This is the best panel Monaghan will ever have for a long time.......................its time to use them right and make it count specially in Croke park.

hardcore (Monaghan) - Posts: 1345 - 15/09/2016 16:08:59    1914702

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No chance of Dinky joining this backroom team it is widely known that Malachy and him barely speak.
I would like to have seen more of a shake up in the backroom team as I'm not actually sure with Finbar Fitzpatrick actually brought to the set up. Monaghan have looked flat in the latter stages of the championship this past two years yes I know we won an Ulster in that time period but still the team looked over trained especially this summer. This is ultimately Ryan Porters responsibility but he is staying so no point me complaining. I think Colin McAree would be the ideal man to join the backroom team, with having one eye on 2020. Other Natives doing good coaching work around the country Damien Freeman, Colm Donnelly with the Drednotts in Louth looking like winning a championship.
We don't need a yes man we need someone who will challenge and work with Malachy to get the best out of this very talented group.
Ultimately I'm happy he is staying on I don't think we could get a better man unless we went all out and tried to get someone like James Horan, Jim McGuinness or Pat Gilroy for me that would be the level of candidate that would be an improvement on the current man. Looking forward to a successful 2017.

CurlyFingers (Monaghan) - Posts: 47 - 15/09/2016 21:32:20    1914851

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I agree with the two posts above regarding a new emphasis on attack. and I like the idea of Freeman as a selector and give him a specialist role in attack especially now that it is a 3 year project. Tough draw in the league though

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 688 - 16/09/2016 23:31:33    1915262

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