True, moomoo, and I hope when we get to a final we meet either Cork or Mayo and not a Ulster team. That seems to be how it works for Kerry so it might work for us too!

Exactly moomoo because it was four year ago the the geezer changed it all for us

murof
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True, moomoo, and I hope when we get to a final we meet either Cork or Mayo and not a Ulster team. That seems to be how it works for Kerry so it might work for us too!

At least Kerry get to and win All Irelands insteed of talking about winning them. When did Kildare last win anything??

lovely lillies not disagreeing, but the post says Leinster is Ours or somehthing and i was responding to that. Capable of leinster and sam, yes. But we will remain capable until we actually win it. This might be the year, but we have been saying that a while now and we are one of those 'this is our year' counties who end up without trophies. The spoils tend to go to the usual suspects. Not a whole lot different this year, thrashing westmeath does not do much for me. I'd be wary of meath in the semi and we'll enter the final as under dogs because we are always under dogs against dublin, always--why? because they nearly always beat us.Heard a lot of this talk for the last 3 years but we talk a lot and win little. Hope springs though! would love to see it, players definetly deserve it.

Both deserving and capable. They are so committed to the cause, there is no doubt that no matter how much it hurts us to be the nearly county, they feel it a lot worse, they are the people giving up effectively their lives for that one bit of success.

Too true!

Don't count your chickens before they've hatched lads.

Yes your right lillypad with the maestro sean boylan back leinster IS OURS. oh wrong county. Hahahahaha.

Seriously lads and lasses this has to be kildares year as if not I am sure questions will be asked. Its a lot of pressure on players and management. Only added to by threads like this. Take one game at a time. I mean is it a given kildare and dublin meet in final? Far from it I'd say

no its not a given.. just an over enthusiastic new lilly poster that made the thread..and first and foremost whos's to say it will be a kildare v meath semi final.. kildare have to overcome offaly and meath have two matches before the even play kildare.
meath under boylan poses a new challenge but one that kildare can match..

Yes lillymadfan I agree it might not even be meath and kildare in semi it could be math offally , wicklow offaly ,wicklow kildare. Etc. But if it is meath kildare I'd be a hell of a lot more hopeful under boylan especially as we would have played 2 won 2 to reach that stage and also first return to croke park for sean. I can guarantee kildare would need to be at there very best to beat meath if that was the way it was to unfold.

yes and kildare should be at there best to play every team in the quest for the delaney not just against meath.
i do think it will help meath with boylan there for this years championship but at the same time and i dont know why
i have this feeling that it might be MIGHT been the word there that this appointment is a backward step for meath just something by the their cb to paint over the fact that the appointed banty in the first place and to take the heat from the fact that there after been relegated to division 3.
as i said boylan probably knows how meath play better than banty which will help but i think the game has moved on from that era and the players might just not be there for boylan to relive the gory days as it where. maybe a new and up and coming manager would have been better with boylan as a selector? to give advise.
either way i do hope it is a kildare v meath semi because if kildare get by that hard challenge it should give them the confidence to beat whoever it is against in the final (fingers crossed anyway ;)

To have arguably the greatest county manager of all time on board is never a backward step. He is well familiar with the meath footballers at the moment and he has kept his hand in too. So I have no worries about that. And in fairness if sean does get that far it would be a brave man to bet against meath getting to final. We have fantastic if under performing players. Bray , gilsennan, 2 reillys, orourke . Carroll. So although it will be tough if we reach semi I'd be confident enough that we would overcome kildare. Now there is a lot of football before that time comes but hears hoping.

id have a similar view that kildare would have enough to overcome meath if that be the semi i think kildare look stronger than they did this time last year and even now the panel looks a stronger one that played meath in the semi last year.
with kavangh and smithy finding form again playing better than they did against meath last year and even against them in this years league. eoin o flatherty going well eamon callaghan, hugh lynch and rob kelly to come back from injury and then scores coming from the likes of ollie lyons,bolton paudie o neill etc with earley making apperances aswell.
although boylan is a great motivator and is a legend of a manger just like micko.
i feel geezer and the kildare panel wont let a leinster final place go this time we have been knocking on the door.
suppose well see royaldunne :)

We will. Hopefully we both get that far

Just curious royaldunne, but what exactly can Boylan do with the same players that Banty could not? If there is a dramatic improvement then the players clearly were cheating their manager by not giving their best. If I'm correct Boylan last won a trophy in 2001 before the emergence of the Tyrone style of football which many teams now use as standard. The game has changed dramatically since 2001 and super strong and fit athletes are now needed to play the game, not saying that it is better football or that I'm totally in favour of it it but thats the reality now. If I had a choice of Boylan or McGeeney to manage my team in 2012 then its an easy choice to make.

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To have arguably the greatest county manager of all time on board is never a backward step. He is well familiar with the meath footballers at the moment and he has kept his hand in too. So I have no worries about that. And in fairness if sean does get that far it would be a brave man to bet against meath getting to final. We have fantastic if under performing players. Bray , gilsennan, 2 reillys, orourke . Carroll. So although it will be tough if we reach semi I'd be confident enough that we would overcome kildare. Now there is a lot of football before that time comes but hears hoping.

So Boylan has kept his hand in...and yet they still are where they are. Royaldunne you're right about underperforming players but some of them haven't delivered over a number of seasons. Bray has often been touted as a great Meath forward and three four years ago I would have agreed. But in last few years he scores very little from play. I'd safely say his average from play over the last three years is 2 points or less. Reilly was very impressive in 2010 but since that his averages from play have fallen dramatically. It may not all be due to drop in form but more that teams know how to mark them.

On your point of overcoming Kildare, you predict this everytime Meath are due to play us, so no shiver up the spine there.Geezer will be concentrating on our team game and preparing to beat the 15 players on the pitch, not Sean Boylan. No fear.

Firstly murof. I'd take a man with 4 all irelands and 7 leinsters as a manager any day over someone with none. As for the style of play bantys blanket defense did not suit them at all and the under performed as they were playing a system which is alien to them. (You can't teach old dogs new tricks). Good players do not go bad. Bray has still been quite consistent reilly will regain his ability when the shackles have been removed gilsennen is one hell of a prospect as is damian Carroll. With shane back in midfield probably with tom walsh it should ease our problems at midfield. Burke and k reilly in back line are a good line of defense. This team have strength and pace in bucketfulls. They problem is they don't know how to use it, boylan will fix that. As for mcgeeney not been fearful, any manager worth his salt facing sean boylan will be fearful. Managers don't make a difference is another point you make conleth. So mcgeeney has made no difference? If and its a big if but if we get that far with sean then I see only one winner and that will be boylan. He is a master. As for not winning anything from 01 to 05. He didn't win anything from 83 to 86 and from 91 to 96 we hadn't been ai final. If he was given another year he would have won leinster again. That is the one thing I do hold to they kildare supporters they don't demand instant success. Mcgeeney in year 5 and still has full support without winning anything. If we in meath had adopted that in 05 we would not be in div 3. Finally his hand in is meant in improving underage etc not directly with team. But the respect the team will give him will be enormous. We may not win leinster but whoever beats us will.

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Firstly murof. I'd take a man with 4 all irelands and 7 leinsters as a manager any day over someone with none. As for the style of play bantys blanket defense did not suit them at all and the under performed as they were playing a system which is alien to them. (You can't teach old dogs new tricks). Good players do not go bad. Bray has still been quite consistent reilly will regain his ability when the shackles have been removed gilsennen is one hell of a prospect as is damian Carroll. With shane back in midfield probably with tom walsh it should ease our problems at midfield. Burke and k reilly in back line are a good line of defense. This team have strength and pace in bucketfulls. They problem is they don't know how to use it, boylan will fix that. As for mcgeeney not been fearful, any manager worth his salt facing sean boylan will be fearful. Managers don't make a difference is another point you make conleth. So mcgeeney has made no difference? If and its a big if but if we get that far with sean then I see only one winner and that will be boylan. He is a master. As for not winning anything from 01 to 05. He didn't win anything from 83 to 86 and from 91 to 96 we hadn't been ai final. If he was given another year he would have won leinster again. That is the one thing I do hold to they kildare supporters they don't demand instant success. Mcgeeney in year 5 and still has full support without winning anything. If we in meath had adopted that in 05 we would not be in div 3. Finally his hand in is meant in improving underage etc not directly with team. But the respect the team will give him will be enormous. We may not win leinster but whoever beats us will.


Jesus Royaldunne what part of my post says 'managers don't make a difference' how did you twist that out of my post ?? Sometimes you might be getting close to making sense then you add in your own twist and we're back to square one again! You're wrong about Leinster too, Wicklow have no chance of winning it !! Want me to explain the logic of that from your post...'whoever beats Meath...'

Geezer will be concentrating on our team game and preparing to beat the 15 players on the pitch, not Sean Boylan. No fear.

Ahh this part? You were saying that its not sean boylan that geeser has to beat its players. Sorry if by my higher iq I took from this that you clearly meant managers have little imput and its players. See???

Now next point since all the horah in meath generated from banty not been from meath does it bother anyone that you don't have your own man? A lot of the talk was banty didn't get the meath tradition does that mean anything in kildare or not. Just wondering as yous have a fantastic home grown manager looking after longford how long will yous continue with a outsider?
Or does it even come up for discussion? As I say its just to find out views as it was the most common thing thrown at banty

Look lads, if Alex Ferguson took Meath on it would still make no difference to that partucular bunch of mediocre footballers, I will publicly eat my hat if Meath beat us!