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It was an amalgamation that was carried out at the time with the utmost expediency,cloak and dagger negotiations,and scant regard for the rules and regulations which apply to amalgamations as per Croke Park directives.

Brinsley Swartz (Mayo) - 23/10/2017 13:16:18    2057220

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What happens if Hollymount Carramore revert back to their own clubs? Who will play in the senior championship? Will both clubs have to start at junior level? Amalgamating is a difficult process but dissolving it is a lot harder, which side loses out, why should 1 club stay in a higher grade than the other club, should both have to start at the bottom and proceed from there

riverboys (Mayo) - 02/11/2017 21:16:43    2059878

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Replying To riverboys:  "What happens if Hollymount Carramore revert back to their own clubs? Who will play in the senior championship? Will both clubs have to start at junior level? Amalgamating is a difficult process but dissolving it is a lot harder, which side loses out, why should 1 club stay in a higher grade than the other club, should both have to start at the bottom and proceed from there"
I have heard Carramore don't have the numbers so you could have a situation where Hollymount/Carramore remains as a "club" and Hollymount form a new club under a new name. That's the word coming from south Mayo. A farcical mess. If you are a young lad who do you play for then?

The GAA top brass in Mayo and indeed Croke Park really need to sort this out.

yew_tree (Mayo) - 03/11/2017 10:26:28    2059998

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Replying To yew_tree:  "I have heard Carramore don't have the numbers so you could have a situation where Hollymount/Carramore remains as a "club" and Hollymount form a new club under a new name. That's the word coming from south Mayo. A farcical mess. If you are a young lad who do you play for then?

The GAA top brass in Mayo and indeed Croke Park really need to sort this out."
The rules in Croke Park are clear,both clubs must revert to Junior. As the disentangling creates two new clubs.Carramore wont mind they have always been fit for Junior. Hollymount down to Junior will make the Junior championship very difficult to win.

Brinsley Swartz (Mayo) - 03/11/2017 12:14:34    2060036

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Replying To yew_tree:  "I have heard Carramore don't have the numbers so you could have a situation where Hollymount/Carramore remains as a "club" and Hollymount form a new club under a new name. That's the word coming from south Mayo. A farcical mess. If you are a young lad who do you play for then?

The GAA top brass in Mayo and indeed Croke Park really need to sort this out."
The top brass in the County Board is heavily populated with Hollymount/Carramore folk - some of whom may be responsible for this saga. I doubt Croke park officials will want to know. about it. If, as some posts indicate here, that the amalgamation was illegally set up then the simple solution is to revert back to two clubs as was before the amalgamation. I would be alarmed if the simple solution is adapted by the County Board!!

imonmyway (Mayo) - 03/11/2017 13:05:29    2060069

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If Hollymount-Carramore was to be dissolved and two new clubs (as such) formed, does that mean both start from the Junior C championship and 1F league?

mayoboy1 (Mayo) - 07/11/2017 19:17:44    2061065

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Replying To mayoboy1:  "If Hollymount-Carramore was to be dissolved and two new clubs (as such) formed, does that mean both start from the Junior C championship and 1F league?"
According to all reports Hollymount Carramore will not be dissolved and the County board will not allow any new club set up

imonmyway (Mayo) - 22/11/2017 15:24:24    2063281

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Replying To imonmyway:  "According to all reports Hollymount Carramore will not be dissolved and the County board will not allow any new club set up"
County board or possibly Croke Park? If such a president is set it may open a can of worms.

Christ they brought peace to Northern Ireland, surly something can be worked out in Hollymount and Carramore areas....??

yew_tree (Mayo) - 23/11/2017 13:32:02    2063370

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Replying To imonmyway:  "According to all reports Hollymount Carramore will not be dissolved and the County board will not allow any new club set up"
I don't expect it to happen, but just wondering would they be pushed all the way to the bottom of the ladder?

mayoboy1 (Mayo) - 23/11/2017 19:55:03    2063408

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Replying To kitboy:  "Seems the problem is theres too many Hollymount people looking at past glories rather than the future!!"
The very bottom is where the new team(s) would have to go is what I've heard. Imagine your a player happy playing senior and division 1 league and all of a sudden your down at the bottom....I could see players moving to neighboring clubs as a sign of disgust or protest or whatever you call it.

yew_tree (Mayo) - 24/11/2017 18:48:21    2063476

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Was the 1990s a poor winters, where has this baby boom come from, if there was a population problem in south Mayo 4 or 5 years ago what has changed, has Hollymount Carramore Garrymore The Neale Davitts a massive population increase lately, seems that some people in Hollymount have a problem with the amalgamation from 4 or 5 years ago, too late to make objections, maybe if numbers increased and team was performing badly then there would be an argument to revert back to the old clubs but with it being successful its a no brainer. Co Board shouldn't even entertain the idea, up in north Mayo I haven't heard of complaints from Keenagh regarding their amalgamation with Crossmolina from 15-20 years ago where their parish and club name isn't even mentioned in the Crossmolina Deel Rovers club name and they aren't setting the world alight. It seems people in Holly have an issue with them not having full control of their club and team

riverboys (Mayo) - 27/11/2017 13:52:40    2063777

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Replying To riverboys:  "Was the 1990s a poor winters, where has this baby boom come from, if there was a population problem in south Mayo 4 or 5 years ago what has changed, has Hollymount Carramore Garrymore The Neale Davitts a massive population increase lately, seems that some people in Hollymount have a problem with the amalgamation from 4 or 5 years ago, too late to make objections, maybe if numbers increased and team was performing badly then there would be an argument to revert back to the old clubs but with it being successful its a no brainer. Co Board shouldn't even entertain the idea, up in north Mayo I haven't heard of complaints from Keenagh regarding their amalgamation with Crossmolina from 15-20 years ago where their parish and club name isn't even mentioned in the Crossmolina Deel Rovers club name and they aren't setting the world alight. It seems people in Holly have an issue with them not having full control of their club and team"
Had a coffee with a top Holly/Carramore man today and there's no problem at all in either camp, just about 3/4 people who don't play at all and won't allow anyone other than Hollymount use the pitch. None of the players or club officials will have any dealings with these people. Might be good if people posting here got their facts right before posting absolute rubbish.

davittsman (Mayo) - 07/12/2017 17:14:12    2064625

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Replying To davittsman:  "Had a coffee with a top Holly/Carramore man today and there's no problem at all in either camp, just about 3/4 people who don't play at all using their positions and won't allow anyone other than Hollymount use the pitch. None of the players or club officials will have any dealings with these people. Might be good if people posting here got their facts right before posting absolute rubbish."
I would not believe anything from the top table in that club. They have misled the members and the community there from day 1 to force through an illegal amalgamation. They try to downplay any trouble
There was over 100 people at a recent meeting in Hollymount when it was decided to seek to reestablish a Hollymount club. Some of the senior team attended that meeting. So that is more than the 3 or 4 you mentioned.
So be careful what "facts" you are reporting yourself

nextyear (Mayo) - 11/12/2017 18:21:36    2064878

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