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Replying To reithi:  "This discussion shows just how tough a job the ref has. We have people watching it back changing opinion and people who still can't decide. What chance has a ref got in real time of getting all these calls right. My initial reaction in real time was oh s*it penno. Watching back could make an argument against however if it was the other end I'd be screaming penno!"
Well said

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 270 - 22/07/2019 21:24:15    2214978

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I know every team has it tight from here on in but was just considering Donegal's likely path to win this year's All Ireland since super 8s began.

Meath (H)
Kerry (N)
Mayo (A)
Dublin (N) :-)
Kerry (N)"
That's interesting ours would be :
Clare (A)
Cork (A)
Mayo (H)
Donegal (N)
Meath (A)
Tyrone (N)
Donegal (N)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 10541 - 22/07/2019 21:27:21    2214980

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Jays we got an awful awakening all right catch22 that result will have set us back years I'd say ;-)"
That man knows his football :D

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 5417 - 22/07/2019 21:36:02    2214985

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Just as an aside Templenoe had 4 players on the Kerry 15 yesterday that's really an amazing achievement for such a small rural club.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 5417 - 22/07/2019 21:39:35    2214988

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Replying To Aibrean:  "I had a careful look at the clip. I agree that O Brien did 'move forward' but what is the significance of that? So, both players were moving forward and were involved in a head-on collision, literally.
Surely, the ref should be fairly sure before giving a penalty? Poor ref anyway, as demonstrated by the Sunday game. Incidentally, that was an odd discussion on SG re the penalty: no opinions as to whether or not it was penalty."
Well fair play for watching the clip. The reason I changed my opinion from no penalty to penalty was because of the arms in the tackle mainly though he did "charge" him as well. The arms show he made no attempt to tackle the ball and that was a giveaway. He doesn't need to tackle the ball if he's standing his ground but the frontal movement meant that he was charging. It's marginal but I think the ref called it correct and that was a tough call in such a high octane game so have to give credit to my fellow countyman there.

The SG arbitrarily pick something each week to stay relevant. Yeah the tackling on Ó'Sé was illegal but tell me in which important game that hasn't gone on in in the last few years?

Ref did well and as a ref you want to walk away from a game knowing you didn't cost any team the game and he didn't

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 270 - 22/07/2019 21:47:13    2214994

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "That's interesting ours would be :
Clare (A)
Cork (A)
Mayo (H)
Donegal (N)
Meath (A)
Tyrone (N)
Donegal (N)"
I see what you did there. Nice!

Ara lookit this is the business end so no point in crying about perceived tougher routes. If you want to be the best you have to beat the best agus sin é.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 6707 - 22/07/2019 21:57:14    2215000

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "That's interesting ours would be :
Clare (A)
Cork (A)
Mayo (H)
Donegal (N)
Meath (A)
Tyrone (N)
Donegal (N)"
Meath? You're not even in the semis yet!

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 270 - 22/07/2019 21:58:46    2215002

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Replying To Commodore:  "Of the 2011/2012 Mayo team, how many of them featured this season in Championship for Mayo?"
All of them lol

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1613 - 22/07/2019 22:01:51    2215004

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Just as an aside Templenoe had 4 players on the Kerry 15 yesterday that's really an amazing achievement for such a small rural club."
I remember when An Ghaeltacht had a star studded team and they're a small club. Had to play for West Kerry I believe. I've never understood how that Kerry Championship worked.
I played with and managed Darragh Ó'Sé back in the day in college. He was a bit better than me!

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 270 - 22/07/2019 22:07:18    2215008

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Both Kerry and Donegal have improved a lot since last year but can they really challenge Dublin this year. I feel they are still a year or two from reaching that level. Donegal will have their work cut out beating Mayo.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1613 - 22/07/2019 22:09:56    2215011

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Replying To Sindar:  "Well said"
I t was the most nailed on penalty you could ever imagine He moved towards him and made a frontal charge with his chest and their heads accidentally clashed.I don't think a frontal charge is legal.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 623 - 22/07/2019 22:19:41    2215016

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Just as an aside Templenoe had 4 players on the Kerry 15 yesterday that's really an amazing achievement for such a small rural club."
Incredible achievement. Two on junior side too. Only been in Templenoe once. Not much there. Kenmare District have some team for senior championship these days. The 6 lads, Stephen O'Brien, Seán O'Shea from Kenmare, Dónal Ó Sullivan Kilgarvan..will form the backbone of a decent side. I assume Tousist would offer little..

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3752 - 22/07/2019 22:22:48    2215018

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Replying To gunman:  "I t was the most nailed on penalty you could ever imagine He moved towards him and made a frontal charge with his chest and their heads accidentally clashed.I don't think a frontal charge is legal."
I would agree, obviously I am biased but it looked a stone wall penalty to me. It was a frontal charge to the chest, foul all day long.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1613 - 22/07/2019 23:16:10    2215038

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Just as an aside Templenoe had 4 players on the Kerry 15 yesterday that's really an amazing achievement for such a small rural club."
was it yerra yerra yerra and yerra?

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 806 - 22/07/2019 23:42:22    2215047

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Replying To bennybunny:  "Incredible achievement. Two on junior side too. Only been in Templenoe once. Not much there. Kenmare District have some team for senior championship these days. The 6 lads, Stephen O'Brien, Seán O'Shea from Kenmare, Dónal Ó Sullivan Kilgarvan..will form the backbone of a decent side. I assume Tousist would offer little.."
Kenmare are a senior club though and Templenoe will be next year so neither will be playing with Kenmare District. They'd have some team if they did though.

Kerry15 (Kerry) - Posts: 461 - 23/07/2019 11:22:05    2215167

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Replying To gunman:  "I t was the most nailed on penalty you could ever imagine He moved towards him and made a frontal charge with his chest and their heads accidentally clashed.I don't think a frontal charge is legal."
Exactly. Plus McHugh banged in rebound anyways.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2289 - 23/07/2019 12:11:20    2215194

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Replying To gunman:  "I t was the most nailed on penalty you could ever imagine He moved towards him and made a frontal charge with his chest and their heads accidentally clashed.I don't think a frontal charge is legal."
Look again. He stood his ground.
It was his upward movement that make it look like he went forward but his feet dont move

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1266 - 23/07/2019 12:11:21    2215195

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Replying To Sindar:  "Well fair play for watching the clip. The reason I changed my opinion from no penalty to penalty was because of the arms in the tackle mainly though he did "charge" him as well. The arms show he made no attempt to tackle the ball and that was a giveaway. He doesn't need to tackle the ball if he's standing his ground but the frontal movement meant that he was charging. It's marginal but I think the ref called it correct and that was a tough call in such a high octane game so have to give credit to my fellow countyman there.

The SG arbitrarily pick something each week to stay relevant. Yeah the tackling on Ó'Sé was illegal but tell me in which important game that hasn't gone on in in the last few years?

Ref did well and as a ref you want to walk away from a game knowing you didn't cost any team the game and he didn't"
The fact is that the rules are such a mess this 'controversy' can not really be decided one way or the other. The rules as written bear virtually no relation to the game as played.
I have no idea, for example, how the player in possession can be LEGALLY dispossessed - other than a 'flick of the hand'. How do you LEGALLY stop a Stephen O Brien or a Ryan McHugh who is bearing down on goal at 100 mph ???

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 169 - 23/07/2019 12:19:50    2215201

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its time to have 2 referees that was not a penalty OBrien
stood his ground it should have been a free out for charging
not sure why we have umpires they never see anything and the
ref made the call from out the field while he was trying to keep
up with the play u have refs in the 40 age bracket trying to keep
up with the play and its gone so fast its impossible

wfkerry (USA) - Posts: 933 - 23/07/2019 12:26:31    2215208

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Like a dog with a bone, you see what you want to see. Frontal charge all day long. Penalty given, game over. Two excellent teams and the draw was a fiat result.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 840 - 23/07/2019 12:39:50    2215216

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