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I just saw the following article on the homepage, re Waterford's request to play their home Munster games in Nowlan Park next year getting turned down: http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293107

This seems like poor form to me, especially if the rationale for refusal is purely based on the fact that the venue is outside the province. I may have read the article incorrectly, but was the Munster Councils response that they were still looking at playing the games in Walsh Park? Even with the limited capacity further reduced due to the ongoing construction/redevelopment? I can't see how that makes sense.

It'd only be 2 games, and Waterford got no home games last year. Nowlan Park would have been a good option for those games I think, from Waterfords perspective anyway. And they've invested alot in upgrading Nowlan Park, so wouldn't begrudge that ground a few more big games a year.

I imagine Thurles will get those games, as its fairly central between Waterford and Clare/Limerick. But as these are supposed to be Waterfords home games, doe this refusal seem harsh to anyone else?

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1694 - 30/11/2018 16:02:27    2152927

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Replying To Marlon_JD:  "I just saw the following article on the homepage, re Waterford's request to play their home Munster games in Nowlan Park next year getting turned down: http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293107

This seems like poor form to me, especially if the rationale for refusal is purely based on the fact that the venue is outside the province. I may have read the article incorrectly, but was the Munster Councils response that they were still looking at playing the games in Walsh Park? Even with the limited capacity further reduced due to the ongoing construction/redevelopment? I can't see how that makes sense.

It'd only be 2 games, and Waterford got no home games last year. Nowlan Park would have been a good option for those games I think, from Waterfords perspective anyway. And they've invested alot in upgrading Nowlan Park, so wouldn't begrudge that ground a few more big games a year.

I imagine Thurles will get those games, as its fairly central between Waterford and Clare/Limerick. But as these are supposed to be Waterfords home games, doe this refusal seem harsh to anyone else?"
Is it down to money for the provincial council?

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1400 - 30/11/2018 16:18:43    2152933

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Again we see the bigotry of the GAA at official level. It was fine to play a Leinster game in Thurles last year. Also the appeal against the penalty of losing a home game in the league failed while others were reversed or ignored on technicalities.
Waterford home games will be played in Waterford 2019 if it is on the beach in Tramore. Or else they will not be played at all. More egg running down the face of these who continue to dictate.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 407 - 30/11/2018 16:45:04    2152938

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Replying To neverright:  "Is it down to money for the provincial council?"
How come the Leinster Council agreed to play the Leinster Final in Thurles. Pure and utter tripe. If it was Cork or Tipp were in Waterfords position they would be facilitated.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1712 - 30/11/2018 19:25:59    2152957

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Replying To neverright:  "Is it down to money for the provincial council?"
How come the Leinster Council agreed to play the Leinster Final in Thurles. Pure and utter tripe. If it was Cork or Tipp were in Waterfords position they would be facilitated.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1712 - 30/11/2018 19:26:38    2152959

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Replying To Canuck:  "Again we see the bigotry of the GAA at official level. It was fine to play a Leinster game in Thurles last year. Also the appeal against the penalty of losing a home game in the league failed while others were reversed or ignored on technicalities.
Waterford home games will be played in Waterford 2019 if it is on the beach in Tramore. Or else they will not be played at all. More egg running down the face of these who continue to dictate."
It seems quite clear it is a Munster "bigotry" rather than a GAA bigotry. After all, it was the Munster CCC that rejected the proposal. Munster hurling is so pure and so superior to what is played in any other province, we couldn't be having a situation where it would be contaminated and sullied by playing a Munster hurling match outside the province.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1110 - 30/11/2018 19:51:18    2152962

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "How come the Leinster Council agreed to play the Leinster Final in Thurles. Pure and utter tripe. If it was Cork or Tipp were in Waterfords position they would be facilitated."
I agree but it took at least 3 counties to vote against them if there was a vote. So that would mean for sure at least one of the lesser counties stuck the boot in us. However mostly lightly no vote but a veto by someone because the rule states games must be played in Munster. Probable had the same rule in Leinster but then the money for a concert popped up. It is always "Show me the Money"

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 407 - 30/11/2018 21:33:29    2152972

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "It seems quite clear it is a Munster "bigotry" rather than a GAA bigotry. After all, it was the Munster CCC that rejected the proposal. Munster hurling is so pure and so superior to what is played in any other province, we couldn't be having a situation where it would be contaminated and sullied by playing a Munster hurling match outside the province."
They can all be painted with the same brush. Remember Kildaregate last year and Croke Park are taking away a league game from us in 2019. It is so clear that the big names control the show and the rest are sucking the teat.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 407 - 30/11/2018 21:42:17    2152976

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Replying To Canuck:  "I agree but it took at least 3 counties to vote against them if there was a vote. So that would mean for sure at least one of the lesser counties stuck the boot in us. However mostly lightly no vote but a veto by someone because the rule states games must be played in Munster. Probable had the same rule in Leinster but then the money for a concert popped up. It is always "Show me the Money""
Is it possible that Cork Tipp and Kerry voted together? I cant imagine Limerick and Clare voting themselves into Walsh Park, with a reduced number of their own supporters in the crowd, when they could play to a much greater crowd in Nowlan Park, which is equdistant from both of them.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1712 - 30/11/2018 22:40:28    2152980

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Replying To Marlon_JD:  "I just saw the following article on the homepage, re Waterford's request to play their home Munster games in Nowlan Park next year getting turned down: http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293107

This seems like poor form to me, especially if the rationale for refusal is purely based on the fact that the venue is outside the province. I may have read the article incorrectly, but was the Munster Councils response that they were still looking at playing the games in Walsh Park? Even with the limited capacity further reduced due to the ongoing construction/redevelopment? I can't see how that makes sense.

It'd only be 2 games, and Waterford got no home games last year. Nowlan Park would have been a good option for those games I think, from Waterfords perspective anyway. And they've invested alot in upgrading Nowlan Park, so wouldn't begrudge that ground a few more big games a year.

I imagine Thurles will get those games, as its fairly central between Waterford and Clare/Limerick. But as these are supposed to be Waterfords home games, doe this refusal seem harsh to anyone else?"
Yes, very harsh, another own goal. The double standards in decision making as in the point made by Canuck, just shows how it really is one rule for one & another rule for others. The amount of crazy decisions, PR disasters & lust for money & elitism this year has been shocking & an indictment of those at the top, who have come out of the woodwork this week defending their decisions. Waterford have been screwed over & their supporters, who will now have to travel further & it will cost them more, when COMMON SENSE should have prevailed. The whole thing is rotten & riddled with politics.

Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 261 - 30/11/2018 23:00:04    2152984

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In terms of stadiums Walsh Park did seem to fall way behind alot of other county grounds even compared to similar sized countys. Was this due to money problems or inept management from the county board and did it ever become a heated issue among deise gaa people?

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 4 - 01/12/2018 00:37:57    2152986

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Replying To Canuck:  "They can all be painted with the same brush. Remember Kildaregate last year and Croke Park are taking away a league game from us in 2019. It is so clear that the big names control the show and the rest are sucking the teat."
Waterford should have a home league game taken away from them in 2019. Rules are rules. Which is why Kildare also were entitled to a home game in the Super 8's. Two different scenarios.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1110 - 01/12/2018 01:35:52    2152987

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Looks like they are going to 'patch up' Walsh Park for the Clare game where Clare won't bring more than 2,500 supporters if that. Munster Council can use that dubious carrot to entice or induce Waterford to play Limerick in Cork or Thurles. Waterford v Limerick in a neutral venue would be a toss up ...maybe even 60 to 40 in Limericks favour.
Personally from talking to Waterford people Walsh Park and it's development proposals are beginning to be seen as not good enough for a strong Hurling County. 16,000 capacity and no Lights...sounds distinctly underwhelming. Lights at night are a necessity at this stage.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 762 - 01/12/2018 11:15:58    2152997

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Waterford should have a home league game taken away from them in 2019. Rules are rules. Which is why Kildare also were entitled to a home game in the Super 8's. Two different scenarios."
Are you serious? Rules are rules for some and then are bent and twisted for others. The bottom line here is the GAA want to show their teeth and to do this selectively punish a few counties. With regard the 2019 championships you choose to ignore rules are rules. Hopefully the county board grow some b-alls. Inform the the Munster council that we are willing play our home games in Nolan Park to facilitates are opponents spectators. If this is not acceptable our team will be at Walsh Park or Fraher field on the dates in question to play our home games. If the opposition do nor show up we will consider we haven been given a walk over. It is time to take the fight to these legislators and also see who is with us and who is against us.
All this talk about facilities or lack of in Waterford is noise by people outside the county who no nothing about us. There are 12 senior teams in Waterford and do their best to keep both codes alive. A county that historically has to compete with a strong soccer base both LOI and junior leagues. Senior and junior rugby .
Show a little bit of good will towards us who were one of the strongest supporters of you playing in Munster when Leinster did not want ye.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 407 - 01/12/2018 15:33:34    2153006

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Replying To Canuck:  "I agree but it took at least 3 counties to vote against them if there was a vote. So that would mean for sure at least one of the lesser counties stuck the boot in us. However mostly lightly no vote but a veto by someone because the rule states games must be played in Munster. Probable had the same rule in Leinster but then the money for a concert popped up. It is always "Show me the Money""
Well, in fairness, the counties that may voted against them were Tipp Cork and Kerry, in that case Limerick and Clares position on the issue would have been irrelevant.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1712 - 01/12/2018 21:14:51    2153031

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Well, in fairness, the counties that may voted against them were Tipp Cork and Kerry, in that case Limerick and Clares position on the issue would have been irrelevant."
Who knows Oldtouman. It would be ironic if Kerry voted against as they are not in the Munster Championship round robin. My thoughts on Cork is they will play you hard and want to beat you but are not begrudgers. Personally I have always found their supporters like that. Unfortunately it is always someone around your own level that go against. Not for a second saying it was Limerick or Claire but for sure if this did go to a vote some three put the boot in Waterford. Look the elites are about 20% of our games but control most everything. There is only two ways that that can happen. The others who have no skin in the game side with them, or the whole process is not democratic.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 407 - 01/12/2018 22:02:44    2153038

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it would quite simply be sacrosanct to play a behothen-to munster championship match outside of munster.
in fact,i believe the sun might not rise the following morning after such an act.
it cant be allowed to happen.ever.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3045 - 03/12/2018 10:31:46    2153154

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Replying To Canuck:  "I agree but it took at least 3 counties to vote against them if there was a vote. So that would mean for sure at least one of the lesser counties stuck the boot in us. However mostly lightly no vote but a veto by someone because the rule states games must be played in Munster. Probable had the same rule in Leinster but then the money for a concert popped up. It is always "Show me the Money""
I was in Walsh Park at the league match, the facilities are nothing short of a disgrace and an embarrassment to Waterford County Board that they allow their county ground to fall into the filthy, embarrassing hovel that it is. The place should have been bulldozed about 20 years ago.

Blame your own county board, and the Munster Council - I don't think the Leinster Council had a problem with this.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 191 - 03/12/2018 12:51:27    2153176

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Replying To Canuck:  "Who knows Oldtouman. It would be ironic if Kerry voted against as they are not in the Munster Championship round robin. My thoughts on Cork is they will play you hard and want to beat you but are not begrudgers. Personally I have always found their supporters like that. Unfortunately it is always someone around your own level that go against. Not for a second saying it was Limerick or Claire but for sure if this did go to a vote some three put the boot in Waterford. Look the elites are about 20% of our games but control most everything. There is only two ways that that can happen. The others who have no skin in the game side with them, or the whole process is not democratic."
Well to travel from most parts of Limerick and almost all Clare it is about eqiuidistant to travel to Nowlan Park as opposed to Walsh Park and both counties would be guaranteed adequete space for their own travelling support in Nowlan Park. I just find it hard to see how any Limerick or Clare representative would oppose Waterford playing their home games in KK, but of course you never know.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1712 - 03/12/2018 13:00:19    2153178

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I was in Walsh Park at the league match, the facilities are nothing short of a disgrace and an embarrassment to Waterford County Board that they allow their county ground to fall into the filthy, embarrassing hovel that it is. The place should have been bulldozed about 20 years ago.

Blame your own county board, and the Munster Council - I don't think the Leinster Council had a problem with this."
No one is blaming the Leinster Council. You would expect some consistency from province to province. Neither did the Waterford county board despite their short comings change the format of the championship that required bigger grounds. Your description of Walsh Park is over the top. Yes it is tired now but has had two make overs in my life time that were adequate for the county's use and league games. Clubs are not long done paying for the last one. One visiting county noted it was the best surface they played on this year.
The bottom line here is fairness would say while Waterford are doing the upgrade forced upon them they should be able to name grounds that would suit their supporters and travelling supporters. The Munster Council and the counties of Munster own this bully tactic.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 407 - 03/12/2018 14:02:59    2153181

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