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Waterfords Munster SHC Home Games 2019 Request

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Well to travel from most parts of Limerick and almost all Clare it is about eqiuidistant to travel to Nowlan Park as opposed to Walsh Park and both counties would be guaranteed adequete space for their own travelling support in Nowlan Park. I just find it hard to see how any Limerick or Clare representative would oppose Waterford playing their home games in KK, but of course you never know."
Sure why would they when they got a home game against Waterford instead last year!

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 191 - 03/12/2018 14:50:48    2153190

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Looks like they are going to 'patch up' Walsh Park for the Clare game where Clare won't bring more than 2,500 supporters if that. Munster Council can use that dubious carrot to entice or induce Waterford to play Limerick in Cork or Thurles. Waterford v Limerick in a neutral venue would be a toss up ...maybe even 60 to 40 in Limericks favour.
Personally from talking to Waterford people Walsh Park and it's development proposals are beginning to be seen as not good enough for a strong Hurling County. 16,000 capacity and no Lights...sounds distinctly underwhelming. Lights at night are a necessity at this stage."
Don't know about. When Clare have a cause their fans do turn out in fairness. Our hurling support is decent these days with a relative level of success yet the banner really turned out in force for the semi final replay in Thurles this year and outnumbered us probably 2 to 1. Also compare Clare support in Munster final this year to Munster final last year. No comparison. Cork outnumbered them 5 to 1 in 2017 but more 50 50 this year. Anyway back to thread. Shocking treatment of Diese hurlers all things considered even if their co. board were not proactive enough on their co. ground. Players deserve better.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1385 - 03/12/2018 18:45:17    2153215

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Sure why would they when they got a home game against Waterford instead last year!"
My answer is in reply to a suggestion that counties like Clare or Limerick might have opposed Nowlan Park as a possible home venue for Waterford, for a temporary period, until Walsh Park is updated. I have no problem with Limerick fulfilling their obligations under any Home/Away system.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1712 - 03/12/2018 19:18:26    2153220

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Sure why would they when they got a home game against Waterford instead last year!"
Apparently, Waterford themselves sought permission to stage their championship games in Nowlan Park and this was shot down by the Munster Council. I have always supported the idea that if Waterford themselves wanted to play their home games in KK that should be their right.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1712 - 03/12/2018 23:31:22    2153258

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But somebody must have objected oldtourman, otherwise it'd have been passed.....
I can't help think that counties feel they can pull a fast one and get an extra home game v Waterford!
But sure there's always Pairc Ui Chaoimh, they need something to put into that white elephant after all!

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 191 - 04/12/2018 16:14:44    2153318

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "But somebody must have objected oldtourman, otherwise it'd have been passed.....
I can't help think that counties feel they can pull a fast one and get an extra home game v Waterford!
But sure there's always Pairc Ui Chaoimh, they need something to put into that white elephant after all!"
I would think also there was some shadow boxing going on here. The biggest losers here are Limerick and Clare and let me explain why. These games will be played in Waterford. Pauric Fanning must be delighted how this has gone. He can put most of his eggs in two baskets. The games at home with 8,000 to 10,000 home fans only because Waterford should give the tickets to their own. In Walsh Park anything that goes near the uprights the crowd will be screaming point. It is an extremely difficult place to judge a high ball where it went. (on the receiving end often). This is not fair either to Clare or Limerick as Thurles and Cork will have hawk-eye. The GAA launched this new system without having all on a level playing field and different rules at different venues.
I predict that this will cost Clare or Limerick a place in the play offs. May be both. Open to be proved wrong and that would not be my wish either for them by any means. Except they were trying to be too cute. No one would do a home and away with Waterford for years because it was a championship grave yard for them.
Waterford felt the were pushed around in Cusack Park by Clare last year. Lots of injuries. In fairness mostly accidental. The only questionable one was how Coughlan got the bones broke in the back of his hand. They made no complaint so that may have been an accident also.
The Munster council are doing a lot of talking all of a sudden about this and how they are meeting with Waterford. They snookered themselves into a corner and bullying is not going to work because even the quietest old dog is going to snap sooner or later.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 407 - 04/12/2018 21:28:30    2153346

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Replying To Canuck:  "I would think also there was some shadow boxing going on here. The biggest losers here are Limerick and Clare and let me explain why. These games will be played in Waterford. Pauric Fanning must be delighted how this has gone. He can put most of his eggs in two baskets. The games at home with 8,000 to 10,000 home fans only because Waterford should give the tickets to their own. In Walsh Park anything that goes near the uprights the crowd will be screaming point. It is an extremely difficult place to judge a high ball where it went. (on the receiving end often). This is not fair either to Clare or Limerick as Thurles and Cork will have hawk-eye. The GAA launched this new system without having all on a level playing field and different rules at different venues.
I predict that this will cost Clare or Limerick a place in the play offs. May be both. Open to be proved wrong and that would not be my wish either for them by any means. Except they were trying to be too cute. No one would do a home and away with Waterford for years because it was a championship grave yard for them.
Waterford felt the were pushed around in Cusack Park by Clare last year. Lots of injuries. In fairness mostly accidental. The only questionable one was how Coughlan got the bones broke in the back of his hand. They made no complaint so that may have been an accident also.
The Munster council are doing a lot of talking all of a sudden about this and how they are meeting with Waterford. They snookered themselves into a corner and bullying is not going to work because even the quietest old dog is going to snap sooner or later."
Considering Limerick have gone into Thurles, Salthill and Cork in recent years and acquitted themselves well, I doubt Walsh Park will be all that intimidating for them, and of course Clare beat Tipp in Thurles last Summer so the same migt apply there. As I said before I find it hard to see why either Clare or Limerich would have opposed Waterford in this matter.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1712 - 05/12/2018 09:33:52    2153364

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Considering Limerick have gone into Thurles, Salthill and Cork in recent years and acquitted themselves well, I doubt Walsh Park will be all that intimidating for them, and of course Clare beat Tipp in Thurles last Summer so the same migt apply there. As I said before I find it hard to see why either Clare or Limerich would have opposed Waterford in this matter."
you beat me to it,if limerick are afraid of fortress walsh park,then their credentials are seriously on the line!
also no county can hoard tickets for their own supporters only like suggested.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3045 - 05/12/2018 13:46:07    2153390

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Most counties have no history at all of playing in Walsh Park except in the winter for the league. It was usually very boggy but the stewards and people were very friendly. It's a poor county ground but I'm sure it will be an advantage to Waterford to play there. But if you think Clare or Limerick will be going down for anything other than a win then your wrong.
Still there is the probability that Waterford v Limerick will be in Cork. That's the latest.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 762 - 05/12/2018 15:07:51    2153403

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Most counties have no history at all of playing in Walsh Park except in the winter for the league. It was usually very boggy but the stewards and people were very friendly. It's a poor county ground but I'm sure it will be an advantage to Waterford to play there. But if you think Clare or Limerick will be going down for anything other than a win then your wrong.
Still there is the probability that Waterford v Limerick will be in Cork. That's the latest."
course it will,they have to justify pairc ui chaoimh at any opportunity.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 191 - 05/12/2018 16:51:06    2153410

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Replying To perfect10:  "you beat me to it,if limerick are afraid of fortress walsh park,then their credentials are seriously on the line!
also no county can hoard tickets for their own supporters only like suggested."
Wrong. Waterford have no obligation to anyone only their own clubs for tickets. If you are a club member and supporting Deise draws, development of grounds you are justified in expecting a ticket before anyone from another county.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 407 - 05/12/2018 17:58:43    2153418

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That would go against the ethos and spirit of the GAA. No away supporters would be terrible.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 762 - 05/12/2018 20:16:20    2153442

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Replying To bloodyban:  "That would go against the ethos and spirit of the GAA. No away supporters would be terrible."
Yes it would. Waterford tried to accommodate them by using Nolan Park as a home venue. Still giving up home advantage for a neutral venue that is some bit of relief to our supporters. Did not see anyone offering to go to a neutral venue last year for their homes games seen as Waterford had no home games. Nor should they have either as the object is to accommodate home supporters.. Nor should Waterford go outside the county either this year. If your county voted against allowing us play at a venue of our choice then you get what you deserve.
I find it hard to believe that Tipp or Cork or Kerry would care where these two games were played. Could be wrong. It is most likely someone gambled and thought that opposing it would end up with the games in Thurles and Limerick.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 407 - 05/12/2018 21:59:36    2153454

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Replying To Canuck:  "Yes it would. Waterford tried to accommodate them by using Nolan Park as a home venue. Still giving up home advantage for a neutral venue that is some bit of relief to our supporters. Did not see anyone offering to go to a neutral venue last year for their homes games seen as Waterford had no home games. Nor should they have either as the object is to accommodate home supporters.. Nor should Waterford go outside the county either this year. If your county voted against allowing us play at a venue of our choice then you get what you deserve.
I find it hard to believe that Tipp or Cork or Kerry would care where these two games were played. Could be wrong. It is most likely someone gambled and thought that opposing it would end up with the games in Thurles and Limerick."
Come on Canuck, only most of us thought Waterford had sought permission to play their home games in KK, which seemed a bit fairer than bringing them to Thurles to play Cork and all the way to limerick to play Tipp as was the case last year, we would not have interviened in this debate at all. I myself actually mooted the idea that Waterford should be allowed play their home games in Kilkenny, IF THEY REQUESTED IT SO, on the the Waterford Forum months ago. Unfortunately that Forum seems to have vanished off cyberspace now

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1712 - 05/12/2018 23:22:33    2153456

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Come on Canuck, only most of us thought Waterford had sought permission to play their home games in KK, which seemed a bit fairer than bringing them to Thurles to play Cork and all the way to limerick to play Tipp as was the case last year, we would not have interviened in this debate at all. I myself actually mooted the idea that Waterford should be allowed play their home games in Kilkenny, IF THEY REQUESTED IT SO, on the the Waterford Forum months ago. Unfortunately that Forum seems to have vanished off cyberspace now"
Oldtourman it can now be confirmed that Limerick, Clare and Kerry voted against Waterford along with two members of the board (where do you think they were from ?) making it a 5 to 4 decision. This always had a smell from it and the truth is never too far away. I always find your posts and the Limerick ones fair but its is the the votes of your representatives that count. Delighted with ye winning this year having family connections in Limerick and of course most of all the best team. Disappointed with this mean spirited decision from two counties who struggle for success like ourselves.
It is what it is now. I predict it will cost one or both a play off spot in 2019.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 407 - 06/12/2018 14:39:49    2153507

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Replying To Canuck:  "Oldtourman it can now be confirmed that Limerick, Clare and Kerry voted against Waterford along with two members of the board (where do you think they were from ?) making it a 5 to 4 decision. This always had a smell from it and the truth is never too far away. I always find your posts and the Limerick ones fair but its is the the votes of your representatives that count. Delighted with ye winning this year having family connections in Limerick and of course most of all the best team. Disappointed with this mean spirited decision from two counties who struggle for success like ourselves.
It is what it is now. I predict it will cost one or both a play off spot in 2019."
Well at least I was right about Kerry (why they should have a vote in a competition they do not even take part in is amazing) and I must say I share your disappointment with my own County Board, if this is true

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1712 - 06/12/2018 16:32:07    2153524

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Replying To Canuck:  "Oldtourman it can now be confirmed that Limerick, Clare and Kerry voted against Waterford along with two members of the board (where do you think they were from ?) making it a 5 to 4 decision. This always had a smell from it and the truth is never too far away. I always find your posts and the Limerick ones fair but its is the the votes of your representatives that count. Delighted with ye winning this year having family connections in Limerick and of course most of all the best team. Disappointed with this mean spirited decision from two counties who struggle for success like ourselves.
It is what it is now. I predict it will cost one or both a play off spot in 2019."
How was it confirmed? Any source for this?

ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 516 - 06/12/2018 19:45:54    2153542

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So canuck you really think that a season ticket holder from Limerick won't be accommodated? I don't think you understand how GAA tickets are distributed. It is through the GAA, not the hosting county board.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 191 - 06/12/2018 21:42:11    2153548

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "So canuck you really think that a season ticket holder from Limerick won't be accommodated? I don't think you understand how GAA tickets are distributed. It is through the GAA, not the hosting county board."
When you say the GAA do you mean Croke Park or the Munster Board ? If there are 8000 season ticket holders in Waterford who gets the tickets ? I have no problem with Limerick or Clare supporters and get behind them regular but their ability to be present at these games were of their own making or their county boards. It is ironic that Kerry voted against Waterford. It smells to high heaven that someone knew they did not have the votes and canvassed them. Two often we see the same at congress with delegates having no skin in the game, not even present for the discussion but vote in a certain way. I guess it is called democracy but the decent thing for Kerry to have done was abstain.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 407 - 06/12/2018 22:42:16    2153553

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The only thing that really stinks is the Waterford county board and Walsh Park. If this issue rumbles on again like last year then it will affect the team. I don't mind if Waterford get 2 home games..hope they do. But what I can say is that if they don't then it should be accepted and got on with for the teams sake or there 'll be no All Ireland for Waterford in 2019.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 762 - 07/12/2018 13:10:46    2153586

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