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Kildare Hurlers For Christy Ring Cup

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Anybody know anything about how Kildare hurlers are getting on training wise? They are 4/1 with Ladbrokes, 3/1 with Boyles yet a massive 5/1 with Paddy Power for the Christy Ring cup. I know they had a bad league campaign but London only beat them by 7 points and they are the best team in the competition. On another day Kildare ill beat them. The rest of the teams are all from division 2B. Derry who are useless and were bottom of division 2B are a terrible 3/1 with Paddy Power for Gods sake. Kildare would scalp them any day of the week. If anyone knows out there what sort of shape they're in, training going well/not going well let us know before one gets lumped on. Much appreciated

paddyokane (Longford) - Posts: 69 - 02/05/2018 14:03:13    2096233

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I think London may be the team to beat in the Christy Ring Cup this year. They have brought in a lot of new players many of who played for their respective counties at the highest level. Cork's Killian Burke for one. Throughout the league Joe Quaid was going on about how the Christy Ring is all that matters for his team this year so maybe you will see a different Kildare later on. Derry were poor in the league but they will be better than their league form suggests.

PortInFaithful (Offaly) - Posts: 472 - 02/05/2018 15:30:02    2096252

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Maybe try the Kildare page......

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 02/05/2018 16:29:28    2096271

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The team has been on a downward spiral since Gerry Keegan emigrated. The two Kennys now playing in Tipp. Two excellent hurlers in Johnny Byrne and Fergal Conway committed to the footballers.

Joe Quaid was struggling for numbers and stuffed the team full of imports last year which was short termism at its finest. Too many good native hurlers now won't commit and most of the Naas players who have serious recent underage pedigree are too young for senior hurling yet.

I think we will struggle in the Christy Ring.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 02/05/2018 18:04:07    2096287

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Replying To paddyokane:  "Anybody know anything about how Kildare hurlers are getting on training wise? They are 4/1 with Ladbrokes, 3/1 with Boyles yet a massive 5/1 with Paddy Power for the Christy Ring cup. I know they had a bad league campaign but London only beat them by 7 points and they are the best team in the competition. On another day Kildare ill beat them. The rest of the teams are all from division 2B. Derry who are useless and were bottom of division 2B are a terrible 3/1 with Paddy Power for Gods sake. Kildare would scalp them any day of the week. If anyone knows out there what sort of shape they're in, training going well/not going well let us know before one gets lumped on. Much appreciated"
Surely Derry will be a lot better in the Christy Ring since they will have access to the Slaughteil players who were absent for the entire league?

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 02/05/2018 19:06:26    2096294

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Never seen a team regress so much in a year as Kildare.

Last year they drew with Carlow in Newbridge and this year we
led them 2-9 to 0-3 at Ht before winning comfortably

They have lost the 2 Reidys back to Limerick and Mullhall from Kilkenny gone
but they looked disinterested against us.

Cant see them beating London or even Wicklow (with their Wexford import)

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 02/05/2018 21:07:16    2096313

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Holy God forgot about some of the Slaughtneil players being back for the Oak Leafers. Makes them a different proposition. Thanks for the information Carlovia.

paddyokane (Longford) - Posts: 69 - 02/05/2018 22:09:03    2096320

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Slaughtneil a Derry club team would beat Kildare easily.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 718 - 03/05/2018 00:19:23    2096334

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To be honest I've never even seen club hurling in general in kildare in such a sorry state at senior level. Its as bad as its been for a long time, there's so many average players on the county team. Losing the 2 Pennys, Keegan and the lads to football was a big blow. I wish Joe and the lads all the best, but I think their at nothing unfortunately.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1898 - 03/05/2018 09:19:15    2096350

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From a Kildare point of view they simply have to win it this year. Despite winning it in 2014 they were left behind and the GAA don't seem to deem them as one of the counties, such as Kerry, Westmeath and Carlow, they want to invest in to push on to a higher level . Those teams are gone from the Christy Ring now so the only way to progress is to win it and try to push into the next tier and get back to playing at the level of Kerry et al.

AllWhite (Kildare) - Posts: 171 - 03/05/2018 09:30:58    2096352

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Replying To beir_bua:  "The team has been on a downward spiral since Gerry Keegan emigrated. The two Kennys now playing in Tipp. Two excellent hurlers in Johnny Byrne and Fergal Conway committed to the footballers.

Joe Quaid was struggling for numbers and stuffed the team full of imports last year which was short termism at its finest. Too many good native hurlers now won't commit and most of the Naas players who have serious recent underage pedigree are too young for senior hurling yet.

I think we will struggle in the Christy Ring."
IMO this is the issue with some ''outside'' managers. Will bring in lads from other counties ahead of native lads, and then wonder why the native lads wont commit.

Back when Carlow first won the Christy Ring Cup in 2008/08 they never had any outside player. Kevin Ryan said at the time he didn't understand why a county would want to win with putside players, orsomething along the lines.

why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 03/05/2018 10:05:01    2096364

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Replying To AllWhite:  "From a Kildare point of view they simply have to win it this year. Despite winning it in 2014 they were left behind and the GAA don't seem to deem them as one of the counties, such as Kerry, Westmeath and Carlow, they want to invest in to push on to a higher level . Those teams are gone from the Christy Ring now so the only way to progress is to win it and try to push into the next tier and get back to playing at the level of Kerry et al."
I don't think the GAA is investing any great amount into Kerry, Carlow etc They all developed themselves by winning the Christy Ring, NHL and minor and U21 B titles. Even a club level they've been competitive. Something Kildare have't been able to do consistently

why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 03/05/2018 10:50:26    2096372

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Replying To Past hurler:  "Slaughtneil a Derry club team would beat Kildare easily."
The better half of them are committed to the footballers, so unless the footballers get kicked out early its hard to see Derry make an impact.

Imports
The GAA in its finest hours have come up with some terrible rules to "promote" hurling and this is one of them. As someone has already said shorttermism of the worst sort practised by outside managers to make them look good with no thought given whatsoever to the native lads lying at home.
Kelly was at it in Kerry, Kildare have a history of it for a good while so it's not just a Joe Quaid thing.

Teams that are serious about development don't seem to be as blatant about it. Westmeath and Carlow in particular although I could stand corrected not being overly close to either.

Down are very young and will be a bit short this year.

bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 03/05/2018 10:57:55    2096375

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Replying To why:  "IMO this is the issue with some ''outside'' managers. Will bring in lads from other counties ahead of native lads, and then wonder why the native lads wont commit.

Back when Carlow first won the Christy Ring Cup in 2008/08 they never had any outside player. Kevin Ryan said at the time he didn't understand why a county would want to win with putside players, orsomething along the lines."
Can never understand counties doing it.

It never ends well when the players leave and unless someone is playing their
club hurling in that county it shouldn't be allowed.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 03/05/2018 10:58:26    2096376

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I am just curious as to the number of hurling clubs in Kildare, senior, intermediate and junior? Kildare did compete at u-21 level in the Leinster B championship do they have a minor team and underage structures?

If you want to be successful there has to be a good underage organisation to develop players for senior level.
This applies to all counties. The difficulty for Kildare is they are a football county, it can be hard to keep interest in hurling in this case. The same applies promoting football in strong hurling counties.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1735 - 03/05/2018 11:25:24    2096381

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Replying To why:  "I don't think the GAA is investing any great amount into Kerry, Carlow etc They all developed themselves by winning the Christy Ring, NHL and minor and U21 B titles. Even a club level they've been competitive. Something Kildare have't been able to do consistently"
Celbridge were very competitive at club level for a number of years. Very unlucky not to land a Leinster title two years ago. Unfortunately their best hurler has now emigrated and a lot of their better players are not interested in committing to the county team because it hasn't been run as well as their club team down the years.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 03/05/2018 18:36:35    2096487

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Replying To beir_bua:  "Celbridge were very competitive at club level for a number of years. Very unlucky not to land a Leinster title two years ago. Unfortunately their best hurler has now emigrated and a lot of their better players are not interested in committing to the county team because it hasn't been run as well as their club team down the years."
Westmeath and Carlow clubs have won All-Irenad Intermediate titles in the last 10 years. Kildare clubs need to be targeting at least winning a Leinster title.

IMO there could be merit in playing in the Leinster Intermediate inter-county championship. It's the level the county is at and it couldn't really do any harm.

why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 03/05/2018 21:29:13    2096514

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Replying To why:  "Westmeath and Carlow clubs have won All-Irenad Intermediate titles in the last 10 years. Kildare clubs need to be targeting at least winning a Leinster title.

IMO there could be merit in playing in the Leinster Intermediate inter-county championship. It's the level the county is at and it couldn't really do any harm."
No reason why Naas can't be a force in a few years time if they can keep all their players hurling. Very competitive at underage level against Kilkenny clubs but a lot of their players would be equally as good at football.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 05/05/2018 13:52:38    2096801

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Replying To why:  "Westmeath and Carlow clubs have won All-Irenad Intermediate titles in the last 10 years. Kildare clubs need to be targeting at least winning a Leinster title.

IMO there could be merit in playing in the Leinster Intermediate inter-county championship. It's the level the county is at and it couldn't really do any harm."
The Leinster and Munster intermediate championships are gone. Cork and Kilkenny will play the First round/ All Ireland final later this year.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 05/05/2018 15:39:47    2096808

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Replying To beir_bua:  "No reason why Naas can't be a force in a few years time if they can keep all their players hurling. Very competitive at underage level against Kilkenny clubs but a lot of their players would be equally as good at football."
Naas should well be established as a force already with the amount of talent at their disposal. They let themselves down badly the last two years in the county final. They have some of the most skilfull hurlers I've ever seen in kildare but they just don't have the steel that the great Naas teams of 20 years ago had.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1898 - 07/05/2018 09:59:47    2097018

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