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Replying To wex82:  "Yellabelly I wouldn't call kilanerin a small rural club in all fairness they won I don't know how many senior titles not like they went back to junior b like.They were intermediate and always going to go back senior football. That is not small rural clubs joining Tara Rocks maybe but they were very close to intermediate themselves. If it was 3 or junior teams joining to make 1 good team I would agree bit in no way are kilanerin a small rural club..."
Who did call them a small rural club ??

yellabelly (Wexford) - 27/11/2017 21:58:38    2063842

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Replying To yellabelly:  "Sorry mate, check the figures. Its the second smallest parish in the county.

"And with Tara Rocks included its a massive area thats covered." . . . . an area of about 2 square mines makes it massive ???"
I wasn't going to bother answering this but I will. In case you didn't know that 'small parish' also includes the ares of Ballyfad, Ballythomas and Annagh. Its isn't just Kilanerin. This also now includes Ballynestragh area which has seen significant development in the last number of years. Tara Rocks had over 25 players, lot of players living in 2 square miles!. I think you need to check your figures.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - 27/11/2017 23:29:54    2063848

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "I wasn't going to bother answering this but I will. In case you didn't know that 'small parish' also includes the ares of Ballyfad, Ballythomas and Annagh. Its isn't just Kilanerin. This also now includes Ballynestragh area which has seen significant development in the last number of years. Tara Rocks had over 25 players, lot of players living in 2 square miles!. I think you need to check your figures."
OK, so you know the names of the district, what does that prove ? If you check the census figures you'll see what I mean by "numbers".
Anyway, this little debate is going nowhere. I still think it's a great achievement for any of our clubs to win a provincial title, and to quote to old Irish saying " f*** the begrudgers" !!!

yelowbelly (Wexford) - 28/11/2017 10:09:07    2063865

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It is great for the county cos most other teams wouldn't realise or even know that they had joined up anyway.I'm just saying if bunclody had amalgamated for example would they be celebrating a Leinster title I would say yes as kilanerin would not have beat them.Bunclody deserve to amalgamate as much as kilanerin neither club struggling with numbers for me Tara Rock players are the big losers here

wex82 (Wexford) - 28/11/2017 10:23:40    2063872

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Also Tara Rocks take in some Gorey players so now kilanerin will get those guys to its a win win for kilanerin yellabelly when you think about it but I agree great for football in the county just not good for Tara Rocks

wex82 (Wexford) - 28/11/2017 10:27:37    2063873

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Replying To wex82:  "Also Tara Rocks take in some Gorey players so now kilanerin will get those guys to its a win win for kilanerin yellabelly when you think about it but I agree great for football in the county just not good for Tara Rocks"
Tara Rocks takes in the entire parish of Gorey, so the numbers of the "small rural parish" includes the entire town of Gorey. Similar to the loophole that Castletown also takes in the parish of Gorey (albeit not really taken advantage of). Tara Rocks have access to a huge pick of players if they chose to go that way. Kilanerin, or the townslands and people in the eligible area, is not the second smallest "parish" in the county either. There are many other GAA teams with much smaller picks than what the area encompassing Kilanerin GAA have.

None of which is to take from a remarkable Leinster title win, but shouldnt let false facts lead us astray. It's not often Wexford clubs do well in Leinster, so its great that between them, Fethard and Crossabeg, we've had a good representation this year which is uncommon for Wexford clubs, particularly in football.

james2011 (Wexford) - 28/11/2017 12:49:08    2063889

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I see that there was a change to the U20 championship last night, that if you are in your last year U17's, (still U17), you can play U20. This should help teams trying to get 15 together for this grade and hopefully less amalgamation's. Negative being of course that some U17s between schools, county and now club could be playing alot of games during the year. Unfortunately in an ideal world you would want U20 to be just for 20, 19 and 18 year old's but at the moment that isn't feasible.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - 29/11/2017 08:39:51    2063959

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i am from the south of the county so dont know the geography of gorey,etc.
but the thing is,clubs are going to have to amalgamate,family sizes are on the way down,no longer will teams contain 4-5 from 1 family.
rural depopulation is going to hit gaa clubs hard,and it is better to celebrate a win for ANY WEXFORD club at provincial level,than dismiss it so out of hand as many have.
i am also very sure,if you look back far enough,you will see some very famous clubs were combinations of a number of smaller clubs.
and why dont people have the same dismissive attitude towards st martins,considering their remit spreads into wexford town in some cases?or rapps/starlights?
well done kilanerin/tara rocks and ignore the begrudgers

perfect10 (Wexford) - 29/11/2017 09:27:40    2063962

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Replying To perfect10:  "i am from the south of the county so dont know the geography of gorey,etc.
but the thing is,clubs are going to have to amalgamate,family sizes are on the way down,no longer will teams contain 4-5 from 1 family.
rural depopulation is going to hit gaa clubs hard,and it is better to celebrate a win for ANY WEXFORD club at provincial level,than dismiss it so out of hand as many have.
i am also very sure,if you look back far enough,you will see some very famous clubs were combinations of a number of smaller clubs.
and why dont people have the same dismissive attitude towards st martins,considering their remit spreads into wexford town in some cases?or rapps/starlights?
well done kilanerin/tara rocks and ignore the begrudgers"
Well said perfect10, couldn't agree more. Going back through the years there were plenty of amalgamations in clubs throughout the county, but some people choose to ignore them if it suits a particular agenda.
Nationally, I've already quoted 2 high profile All-Ireland winners who were the product of amalgamations, which came about because of the circumstances you pointed out.

yelowbelly (Wexford) - 29/11/2017 10:17:55    2063966

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Replying To perfect10:  "i am from the south of the county so dont know the geography of gorey,etc.
but the thing is,clubs are going to have to amalgamate,family sizes are on the way down,no longer will teams contain 4-5 from 1 family.
rural depopulation is going to hit gaa clubs hard,and it is better to celebrate a win for ANY WEXFORD club at provincial level,than dismiss it so out of hand as many have.
i am also very sure,if you look back far enough,you will see some very famous clubs were combinations of a number of smaller clubs.
and why dont people have the same dismissive attitude towards st martins,considering their remit spreads into wexford town in some cases?or rapps/starlights?
well done kilanerin/tara rocks and ignore the begrudgers"
I wouldnt begrudge Kilanerin their win at all. Its a great achievement considering how poorly Wexford clubs generally do in provincial competitions. I do think there is a bit of an asterisk against it though. Amalgamated clubs are not permitted play in provincial competitions, so through a technicality of not officially amalgamating, Kilanerin have got through that in a loophole type of way. Not intentionally obviously, but still, its a bit odd. Secondly, I'm not sure this amalgamation needed to be done at all. Kilanerin still have good numbers in their club. They had poor numbers at underage for a few years, but that seems to be turning again. They fielded 2 adult teams in football. Tara Rocks have access to the pick of Gorey town. Some new methods and recruitment and more activity could have seen them prosper by themselves without having to amalgamate. Personally, I just dont feel either club was struggling so badly that this needed to be done. I'm not a member of either club, so its easy from the sidelines to say things like that, but both first teams were competing at a high level and doing reasonably well, its not as if either is in freefall like other "big" clubs are right now.

I do feel that there are many other worse off clubs who will have to in the longterm consider amalgamation, or at the very least at underage level set up long term amalgamated sides for the reasons you outline.

With regards to the Martins, I dont think there is a need to be dismissive of them. They have a massive area of population to pick from, but they have excellent structures in the club and they utilise everything to the most minute detail. They have done massive work and have made the absolute most of the natural advantages they have. Compare them to Glynn, who pretty much have the exact same advantages and see which is doing better? I wouldnt dismiss the Martins efforts at all. I think they are doing great work. I think the likes of Glynn, and even the other boundary clubs like the Shels and Crossabeg should be in similar situations but none of them work like the Martins do.

james2011 (Wexford) - 29/11/2017 10:19:26    2063967

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Replying To james2011:  "I wouldnt begrudge Kilanerin their win at all. Its a great achievement considering how poorly Wexford clubs generally do in provincial competitions. I do think there is a bit of an asterisk against it though. Amalgamated clubs are not permitted play in provincial competitions, so through a technicality of not officially amalgamating, Kilanerin have got through that in a loophole type of way. Not intentionally obviously, but still, its a bit odd. Secondly, I'm not sure this amalgamation needed to be done at all. Kilanerin still have good numbers in their club. They had poor numbers at underage for a few years, but that seems to be turning again. They fielded 2 adult teams in football. Tara Rocks have access to the pick of Gorey town. Some new methods and recruitment and more activity could have seen them prosper by themselves without having to amalgamate. Personally, I just dont feel either club was struggling so badly that this needed to be done. I'm not a member of either club, so its easy from the sidelines to say things like that, but both first teams were competing at a high level and doing reasonably well, its not as if either is in freefall like other "big" clubs are right now.

I do feel that there are many other worse off clubs who will have to in the longterm consider amalgamation, or at the very least at underage level set up long term amalgamated sides for the reasons you outline.

With regards to the Martins, I dont think there is a need to be dismissive of them. They have a massive area of population to pick from, but they have excellent structures in the club and they utilise everything to the most minute detail. They have done massive work and have made the absolute most of the natural advantages they have. Compare them to Glynn, who pretty much have the exact same advantages and see which is doing better? I wouldnt dismiss the Martins efforts at all. I think they are doing great work. I think the likes of Glynn, and even the other boundary clubs like the Shels and Crossabeg should be in similar situations but none of them work like the Martins do."
James2011, you say that amalgamated are not allowed compete in provincial club championships, how do you equate that with teams like An Gaeltacht, who won Munster intermediate last weekend ?
BTW, I'm neither contradicting you or looking for a debate, I'm just wondering how the "system" works.

yelowbelly (Wexford) - 29/11/2017 10:37:29    2063970

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Replying To yelowbelly:  "James2011, you say that amalgamated are not allowed compete in provincial club championships, how do you equate that with teams like An Gaeltacht, who won Munster intermediate last weekend ?
BTW, I'm neither contradicting you or looking for a debate, I'm just wondering how the "system" works."
An Gaeltacht is a club on its own based in Murioch near dingle.

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - 29/11/2017 11:38:00    2063975

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Replying To yelowbelly:  "James2011, you say that amalgamated are not allowed compete in provincial club championships, how do you equate that with teams like An Gaeltacht, who won Munster intermediate last weekend ?
BTW, I'm neither contradicting you or looking for a debate, I'm just wondering how the "system" works."
as noted above, AnGaeltacht is a club in Kerry, not an amalgamation of clubs. Its also why you see in Kerry at times losing county finalists represent Kerry if South Kerry or one of the other senior amalgamated teams win. There was an issue there some years back with Legion taking the place in advance of the county final even being played.

This year the Laois intermediate hurlers were represented by losing semi finalists The Harps. Both finalists, Celt Gaels and Ballyfin Gaels are amalgamated teams so ineligible. It was to be a playoff between both losing semi finalists as to who went into Leinster, but Rosenalis conceded a walkover so the Harps played in Leinster despite not even getting to a county final.

james2011 (Wexford) - 29/11/2017 11:52:33    2063980

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Replying To james2011:  "as noted above, AnGaeltacht is a club in Kerry, not an amalgamation of clubs. Its also why you see in Kerry at times losing county finalists represent Kerry if South Kerry or one of the other senior amalgamated teams win. There was an issue there some years back with Legion taking the place in advance of the county final even being played.

This year the Laois intermediate hurlers were represented by losing semi finalists The Harps. Both finalists, Celt Gaels and Ballyfin Gaels are amalgamated teams so ineligible. It was to be a playoff between both losing semi finalists as to who went into Leinster, but Rosenalis conceded a walkover so the Harps played in Leinster despite not even getting to a county final."
Thanks for clarifying that lads. I do stand to be corrected but I thought An Gaeltacht were originally an amalgamation of local ( smaller) clubs.

On the Laois issue, I thought the rules were changed a while back and a team could no longer be nominated for the provincial championship, or does that only apply to senior ?

yelowbelly (Wexford) - 29/11/2017 13:14:15    2064007

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