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Also i think it is extremely lazy analysis by Brolly in relation to the gooch and he is just trying to create a stir which he has obviously succeeded in. In the 2008 final vs Tyrone Gooch was top scorer with 6 points, 3 from play and had a very decent game. In the 2005 final, again gooch was joint top scorer with 5 points (2 from play) and and again had quite a good game. To say he was anonymous in these games is extremely lazy analysis and clearly inaccurate. It's a very easy thing to say about a player when a team lose a big game that a certain player was anonymous many years past the event. I would agree that the gooch had quiet games against Donegal in 2012 and in the 2015 final vs Dublin. The latter is more down to the cruciate injury he suffered at hisage and not being able to fully return to his peak which is completely understandable. When it comes to silverware won and what he has acheived in the game, Brolly isn't fit to lace his boots and there is a touch of begrudgery about his comments. He somewhat belittles his individual performances against Mayo and Cork in various AI finals as it was an easy thing to do... then why doesnt everybody do it?? He just loves the sound of his own voice. I also wouldnt say the gooch is the GOAT as it is a very subjective thing and impossible to compare different players but there is no doubt he is up there. The way modern football has gone we wont be seeing too many more of his ilk and it is a crying shame! maximus02 (Longford) - Posts: 170 - 10/04/2017 11:13:55 1977840 Link 2 |
Like him or hate him Brolly creates debate and brings an audience. The fact there is a thread on this proves it. Colm Cooper was an excellent player. The fact his 4 All Ireland's came against Mayo and Cork, two teams who never showed up on the big day is a point. The fact he failed to beat any of the northern teams in finals is also a point worth discussing but was more of a Kerry failing than anything cooper did or didn't do. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11249 - 10/04/2017 11:14:39 1977841 Link 2 |
Ah now go easy on Joe. He was of course the greatest corner forward that ever played the game, yet no one gave him the praise that this upstart from Kerry is getting. Wouldn't you be annoyed if you were Joe, neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 10/04/2017 11:14:45 1977842 Link 1 |
Loved they way whelo said "shut up for a second will ya." we need more of this.
galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 10/04/2017 11:18:07 1977844 Link 2 |
Tomas o sé wasn't given time to answer, not that he couldn't.
galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 10/04/2017 11:21:44 1977846 Link 0 |
Would have been nice if he let others finish a sentence. He can't have it both ways.
galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 10/04/2017 11:25:44 1977849 Link 2 |
My own increasingly vague memory of that superb 2005 final was that Gooch was terrific for a lot of it, and that it's well documented how Tyrone had to step outside the boundary of the rulebook to contain him at times. It's a shame that pundits, including Brolly, can't see outside the cliche that losing teams are fully stocked with losers, and winning teams with winners. It's more complicated than that surely? Tyrone 2003-2008 had Kerry's number. It's as simple as that. It was a squad over squad edge, and wasn't a Gooch issue specifically, nor does it spoil his legacy as a player imo. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3512 - 10/04/2017 11:27:59 1977850 Link 3 |
Read brollys article, well written, excellent, no problem, this is a democracy. His points on the Sunday game, equally so. But Joe, as whelo said, would ya shut up a second and let others finish. Other than that, no issues with anything you wrote or said, pretty much all correct. galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 10/04/2017 11:29:15 1977853 Link 2 |
Brolly is entitled to his opinion but a lot of what he says is as close to factually incorrect as you can get. Cooper was not 'anonymous' in the 2005 and 2008 finals. In fact, he was very very good in both. In his article he has a go at Gooch for his performances in he 2002 and 2003 finals. Really? When he was, what, 18 or 19 years old? I mean come on. benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 10/04/2017 11:37:33 1977861 Link 4 |
I see Monsignor Brolly is involved with the Derry u21s who play in Ulster final tonight. Interesting, very interesting. ryan (Donegal) - Posts: 728 - 10/04/2017 11:55:20 1977874 Link 2 |
Up there with Dunphy's anti ronaldo campaign when he played with United. Brolly like Dunphy is a lazy journalist, just throws out attention grabbing headlines with little to no research done. as_ky (Kerry) - Posts: 535 - 10/04/2017 12:31:32 1977896 Link 4 |
Great post.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4247 - 10/04/2017 12:49:34 1977908 Link 0 |
Couldn't have put it better fella. Anyone who cant see this is very naive.!
InishowenMan (Donegal) - Posts: 216 - 10/04/2017 13:06:49 1977920 Link 0 |
I disagree, Joe thinks to himself " everyone is eulagising about Cooper so I have to play the Devil's advocate". he starts with his conclusion i.e. Cooper was not the greatest of his era. he then works his way back. It really is not that difficult to find games where ANY player, no matter how good , is marked out of it. I mean, How many time was Canavan not the star of the show (there must have been quite a few, otherwise he would have 10 all-Ireland medals. So Joe picks some games where Cooper was marked tightly and Kerry lost and compares it to some games where other players played well and their team won. Pretty lame stuff for a so called lawyer , attorney or whatever he is. The only reason he is ever heard is because of his rudeness with constant interruptions and long speeches. I will agree that Cooper was not any better than some of the forwards of his era (perhaps those that played for less successful teams) but he was a great player. different than Canavan but not any less a player. If he had been born in Leitrim though ...........
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 10/04/2017 13:16:34 1977928 Link 0 |
After all these years listening to Brolly people are worse for entertaining him, let him off to hell with his opinions and don't rise to them Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1931 - 10/04/2017 13:19:07 1977930 Link 2 |
Eamon Fitzmaurice cost Kerry potentially two all Ireland's by keeping gooch on the field in last years semi final agaisnt dublin and also the all Ireland final the year previous. Even Kerry people will tell you that. Lived on his reputation in the years after his knee injury. shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1930 - 10/04/2017 13:25:00 1977936 Link 2 |
Have to disagree - Canavan was very seldom marked out of it - in fact only one county player sort of kept him under control and that was the Derry corner back and even at that Canavan still caused damage to Derry. The reason why he doesn't have 10 AI's is the rest of the team wasn't good enough - whereas Gooch played in a string of very good Kerry teams.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 10/04/2017 14:00:18 1977972 Link 1 |
I'd be more worried about his comments about Ciaran Kilkenny than anything he says about the Gooch. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 10/04/2017 14:23:44 1977989 Link 0 |
Look back through the stats of the games brolly mentioned and gooch is still Kerrys highest scorer from play(and he himself was likely fouled for some of the frees that he converted). Bar Donegal '12 where Donaghy got a goal. Brolly must have wanted gooch to win every single game. If you watch the '11 final, if Kerry had to give him the ball more in the last 10mins they would have won. Ifs and buts. I agree he was finished regarding inter county stage after the knee. Dublin exploited this with Philly Frederick (Louth) - Posts: 479 - 10/04/2017 14:34:10 1977998 Link 0 |
What did he say about Kilkenny? Out of interest
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/04/2017 17:09:15 1978065 Link 0 |