Who'd have thunk it, the turkeys have voted for Christmas. Every Rangers fan I know bar none now sincerely hope they end up in Division 3, rebuild from there and with the European ban they won't be affected in that regard. It also has the added bonus of seeing several SPL clubs go bust, clubs who stuck the boot in and forgot how much they needed the Gers. They may survive one season without Rangers but not three, let them burn the house down while Rangers watch from the garden

Dry your eyes, if your club hadn't cheated they wouldnt be in this mess!

At the moment 10 clubs have voiced opposition so if another 6 say NO to NEWCO then surely it can only be the 3rd division for RFC 2012........

Yeah at best Tribe. If another 6 clubs come out against it then they'll probably change it from 51% to 25% and so on. Doncaster and Regan have to go. Apparently Green didn't want the SPL vote to go ahead given the outcome was a formality but was persuaded to give a presentation to the clubs in a last gasp bid to get entry - if stories are to be believed then it was Doncaster who told him to go down this route. Green was prepared to approach the SFL in the hope of getting Sevco5088 in to Div 1 but knowing that Div 3 was a real possibility until he was told to go ahead with the SPL approach. It seems that Regan and Doncaster, through the love of the old Rangers, have been maybe leading Green up a path that had a dead end more in hope than belief that the new club would get in to the SPL. How can the Scottish Game flourish when you have men like this in charge? An SFA board where its commonplace to jump between that board and that of the old Rangers. There needs to be an overhaul of the SFA so that their is complete transparency in their dealings and handling of the game. Its not the clubs who are voting against Sevco5088 who are at risk of killing the game (to paraquote Doncaster) its him and his cronies who are pulling the strings and trying to bully the other clubs in to accepting what is their ideal.

Even if the SFL clubs vote against this new club going in to Div1 (which with the momentum gathering looks less and less likely that they will be in that Division) then Div 3 although likely isn't a formality. Clubs like Spartans and Cove Rangers will be sitting in the wings as interested spectators - for now. I will not be surprised if they challenge any decision to put them in to Div3 as they have had their applications turned down despite meeting the criteria that Sevco5088 do not.

Silly Season is well and truely upon us.

Surely these guys need to be sacked for blatant corruption themselves? -Regan and Doncaster

How many clubs have gone bust as a direct result of relegation from the SPL? None?

The loss of Old Firm ticket sales, along with the loss of tv money has never been the sole reason a club has gone under.

To be honest if a club or board was banking on hosting the old Rangers twice a season (not guaranteed with the split), and was counting on Rangers fans money to keep the club afloat then it's been operating on a business plan that was heading for disaster anyways.

There's very little logical reasoning behind any club going under because of this. Plenty of clubs have already been through financial uncertainty in the past but now they've a chance to change Scottish football for the better, and the chance to help shape a prosperous future for each league and all clubs. The next thing to change should be the 11-1 voting structure, followed by a change in the allocation and distribution of tv revenue.

Ideally their would be a merger between the SFA, SFL and SPL, to leave the game with one governing body. The introduction of a proper tiered pyramid system would be good to see but in no way should it only be done in a pathetic bid to pander to the Sevco 5088 masses.

As long as there's fans, there'll be money in Scottish football, maybe not as much as before but at least the playing field will be level now.

If you look after the sport the money will follow you, if you look after the money you'll kill the sport.

Rangers fans gloating about clubs going bust without them is laughable and almost deluded. Sure hadn't most of them threatened not to visit the ground of any club who objected to them getting into the SPL? Clubs were probably going to lose the Rangers fans regardless of the vote. Good to see most chairmen listening to their own fans over the cream buns.

The arrogance and lack of humility displayed by almost everybody associated with that club, dead or new has been a joke.

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I'm of the same opinion as you Goodfella, Rangers should play in division 3 next year. Both sets of Old Firm fans are singing from the same hymn sheet for once. It's clear that the ideal scenario for the SPL clubs is for Rangers to be in division 1, they get to punish Scotland's biggest club without too much of an impact on their finances. This can't be allowed to happen. The powers that be are correct in their assessment of what a division 3 Rangers would mean for Scottish football and it's simply a question of how many clubs will go bust. Given the way they have acted it's hard to have any sympathy for them. Green take the bull by the horns and apply for membership of division 3 immediately, Rangers will work their way up the ladder while Scottish football implodes

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I'm of the same opinion as you Goodfella, Rangers should play in division 3 next year. Both sets of Old Firm fans are singing from the same hymn sheet for once. It's clear that the ideal scenario for the SPL clubs is for Rangers to be in division 1, they get to punish Scotland's biggest club without too much of an impact on their finances. This can't be allowed to happen. The powers that be are correct in their assessment of what a division 3 Rangers would mean for Scottish football and it's simply a question of how many clubs will go bust. Given the way they have acted it's hard to have any sympathy for them. Green take the bull by the horns and apply for membership of division 3 immediately, Rangers will work their way up the ladder while Scottish football implodes

Any points, pieces of evidence, or particular arguments why the game would implode?

Other than the obvious biased opinions of Doncaster, Jim Traynor and the head in the sand bears?

It was so very nice of Rangers to do a u-turn on their plans to join the FA league system, and to abandon their hopes of a European league all those years ago.

Scottish football certainly would have died had they left it back then right?

So lets all feel sorry for Rangers, they didn't know they were cheating everybody out of a hundred million plus, lets let them back in the SPL and forget all this ever happened.

After all, they only stayed in Scotland to benefit the rest of us...

There's numerous quotes from the most important people in Scottish football about what a division 3 Rangers would mean. I'd imagine they would know the implications better than anyone and it's clear from what they're saying that Scottish football simply can not cope with Rangers being any lower than the first division. You surely have a better argument than claiming all of these people are biased?

I think the thing that all of these so called experts are assuming is that NEWCO will go straight back up.

That will not be as straight forward as the heads of the spl/sfa assume. Granted they will try their hardest to get them up by forcing through play-off changes and the now obligatory honest mistakes going through the roof. But will they really have the players that will get them up????

I don't think so...And how much money is good old Charlie Green going to pump into them????

It's clear that the ideal scenario for the SPL clubs is for Rangers to be in division 1, they get to punish Scotland's biggest club without too much of an impact on their finances.

Scotlands 'biggest club' is no more PP. Nor are Galsgow Rangers being demoted to any division - they simply do not exist anymore. It is a new company and club who are starting up and the norm is to apply for entry in to the SFL Div 3.

You are correct though that the majority of fans of this new club do want to do the right thing and apply for a place in Div 3. I also believe that this is what Green wanted to do until he was advised to try the SPL route. Assuming that they end up in Div 3 its not going to be an easy ride for a number of years for the club as attracting decent players is going to be very hard. Attracting decent players to the SPL is hard enough unless you are paying them ridiculous wages from money that isn't yours so trying to persuade players to come to the new club where at best you are 4 years away from top flight football (under current set-up) and longer from the European stage will not be an easy task.

There is also the question I asked yesterday about playing at Ibrox and how finanically viable this is for the new club given the difference between what Glasgow Rangers were able to charge when they were a club and playing in the top flight of Scottish Football and what the new club will be able to ask their fans for in Div 3. I may be wrong but I cannot see this new club sustaining crowds of 51,000 for home games nor being able to make significant inroads with roughly 1/3rd of the income per person who enters the turnstiles. Also, for potential investors its quite a risk investing millions on the assumption that there will be successive promotions and then some sort of return on these investments when they do make their way in to the SPL for the first time.

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1210245 There's numerous quotes from the most important people in Scottish football about what a division 3 Rangers would mean. I'd imagine they would know the implications better than anyone and it's clear from what they're saying that Scottish football simply can not cope with Rangers being any lower than the first division

This board is for discussing issues like this, it would be very boring blah blah blah you know the rest

You've got to love ol' p.p.. The guy has spent years taunting us about R*ngers being most successful Club in the world, going on about Sir David, Sir Walter & Mr. Craig Whyte. His beloved Club are exposed as the biggest cheats of all times, it totally implodes and has a most shameful demise p.p. conveniently air brushes this whole episode from the discussion and goes on about the financial perils awaiting other Clubs because NEWCO wasn't parachuted back to the SPL. Yes of course p.p. it is an uncertain time but lets be absolutely clear, its not about other Clubs "putting the boot in" or having a hatred of R*ngers. There is only one Club and one Club only to blame for this mess, they were called R*ngers F.C., they are now no more thanks be to God. However when they did exist they operated the most blatant and disgraceful sectarian employment policy ever seen in Football, they ruined the Scottish Game by embarking on a policy of overspending to buy success. When it became obvious that they couldn't continue this policy they introduced EBT's and dual contracts to try and maintain their unfair advantage. Even when the writing was on the wall & Sir David bowed out they withheld paying employees taxes, they still continued to buy players like Lee Wallace even though they knew they couldn't pay for him. In other words they cheated to the very end. They are now dead & buried but everyone left in Scottish Soccer is left to pick up the pieces.

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My guess vice is that you know absolutely nothing about football.

Nose still out of joint after the defeat on Saturday Brend? Or maybe you're still smarting from Liverpools miserable season?

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1210487 brendtheredhand
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My guess vice is that you know absolutely nothing about football.

Nose still out of joint after the defeat on Saturday Brend? Or maybe you're still smarting from Liverpools miserable season?
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Well first of all Tyrone were second best Sunday, no issues there then, secondly Liverpool had the worst season I can remember in the 30 plus years of following them, sad but true so again, no issues there. So then Vice, whats your excuse for being just about the worst poster on HS?

So I go from knowing nothing about football to being the worst poster on here.. bad day for me eh?! And all because young brend doesn't like hearing a few home truths..

I think it's clear to most neutral observers that the hatred, bile and vitriol being thrown at Rangers goes way beyond what could be deemed acceptable. I know they're Scotland's most successful team but this isn't just jealousy, a lot of people want this club to be buried and are willing to do anything in an attempt to make it so. Yet they don't realise this will only strengthen Rangers resolve and the resolve of their fans. These fans are hurting more than anyone else due to the actions of Whyte and Murray, they are the victims in this whole sorry mess and yet ultimately it is them that are being punished. The class they have shown through this whole affair however is astounding and they have carried themselves with great dignity while the Football authorities, the mhedia and other clubs have stuck the knife in. They're a credit to themselves and their club and have shown beyond all doubt why they're regarded as the best and most loyal fans in the World. When Rangers reach the pinnacle of Scottish football again these fans will allow themselves a smile when they view the wasteland that is Scottish football, with the scattered remains of lesser clubs strewed all around. The persecution they have had to overcome to get there will make it all that sweeter

Good man p.p. I'm an avid reader of all websites relating to Scottish Football including R*ngers fanzines and the stuff you post could be copied & pasted from any of these including your new departure of referring to the mhedia. The reality is that the original R*ngers are dead, gone finished. We can talk about them in a historical sense and no doubt we will from time to time but for the moment lets live in the present. A Company called Sevco have bought Ibrox, Murray Park & Albion Car Park. They have intimated they intend to start a Football Team and have contracted about 13 or 14 players to play for them. They have indicated that their Football team will be known as The Rangers F.C. which as one can see is fairly similar but not the same as a former Club which has gone out of business. The name similarity entitles this Club to no special treatment, it is only fair that they start at the bottom & work themselves up. It is indeed very likely that the majority of the fans of the defunct Club will transfer their allegiance to this new club and with this fanbase in time this new club will become competitive and be a threat to Celtic, this will be a positive development and I think most Celtic Fans would agree with me when I say we would welcome the chase.

It's not about Rangers not getting into SPL or starting in the first division, Rangers are dead, It's about Sevco a new club who have barely enough players for a team, who don't even meet the criteria to get into division 3 (they don't have 3 years audited accounts) looking to skip divisions in the Scottish league because they have the potential to take the deceased clubs fanbase and have a few "important friends".

Good man pp fair play to you...."A credit to themselves and to their club"LOL..Im sure the good people of Manchester might just take you up on that one!

I believe it was the holding company that was liquidated, the club itself with their proud history is intact. So whatever division they end up in they will still be the proud holders of 54 Scottish Championships. Even with the mess Rangers find themselves in they are more successful than Celtic and the sheer desperation from Celts in trying to discredit these hard won titles is amusing

Just a though, does Green actually want Newco to be playing football next season.
Their arrogant presentation to the SPL might be part of his overall plan. If the Newco don't play football, he removes a lot of headaches for himself and he still will have all the capital assets which he can sell off and are worth much more without the Oldco baggage. Ex Blue noses will undoubatbly start another new 'fans' club and eventually build a base. they will want to buy the temple of Doom back, which Green would probably hold on to until then, and ultimately make himself a very tidy profit.