Agree pedrito, Rio is upset because in his mind he feels 'Terry has got away with it'....However, that is not an excuse to question Cole's integrity

Translated, Rio is really saying that Cole shouldn't have backed Terry and therefore is a traitor for doing so which in itself is out of order.........Cole's integrity is to be commended IMO

what about the abuse terry followers amed at rio after terry was found not guilty

Meath_bhoy
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1218702 Agree pedrito, Rio is upset because in his mind he feels 'Terry has got away with it'....However, that is not an excuse to question Cole's integrity

Translated, Rio is really saying that Cole shouldn't have backed Terry and therefore is a traitor for doing so which in itself is out of order.........Cole's integrity is to be commended IMO

Yeah, actually the more I think about it, it was uncalled for. Yes Rio and his family were getting a lot of abuse from Terry fans but Ashley was just defending his friend who beleives not to be racist. The FA need to put the issue to bed quicksmart, there's going to be a lot of people not shaking hands with Terry next season.

Couldn't believe that tweet from Rio when I saw it. Just because Ashley defends his white friend he isn't properly black, whatever that means. Highly insulting, highly provocative and of course racist in the extreme. The FA need to react immediately to this if they have any credibility at all

Terry found not guilty. End of matter.

Real Kerry Fan
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1219238 Terry found not guilty. End of matter.

Doubt it's the end of the matter.

GetOverTheBar
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1217592 DUB1, fortunately just because you want someone to be found guilty - Does not mean they are.

Yes i dont like terry but on that basis i dont want him punished over it just on that fact. I dont condone racism and feel action should be taking whoever it is...

DUB1, but the man has been found not guilty, this is my point earlier in the thread - club bias surely has come into this, there is no way it cannot be. For example, everyone but United supporters now have ammo to go right after Rio - I still don't know what the hell he was thinking, he can't be that stupid to not know the repercussions of anything you say on twitter.

If the FA go after Terry now, they surely have to take a look at Rio - and the ironic thing of the whole lot is Ashley Cole is the only one coming out of this with any credit yet you don't see the British media rushing to say, Ashley's done a good thing here calming down what is surely going to be a hell of a situation when Chelsea and Man Utd meet this season. He might too be a dubious character and a bit of an idiot but he did a good thing here.

You know I found out the strangest thing the other day, did you know that Wayne Bridge was finished with that French woman long before Terry was alleged to have had the affair. I wonder if that is true because the way the papers would have you believe that Bridge was ready to marry this doll yet that's not quite the case - Puts a slightly different slant on things (altho it still doesn't mean Terry didn't cheat on his own wife)

DUB1

Tell us why John Terry should be fined/banned/whatever for racism. You seem to want him to be punished, without being able to provide any facts about the case. That's called spoofing.

GetOverTheBar...Yes Bridge had split from that girl, she was his EX...However, it's still a bit naughty to do that to a mate imo. One of my friends recently split from his fiance but no way would I step in and do the deed even though 'technically' she is a free agent


mayoboy1...The English FA are snivelling cowards and will punish Terry even though he's innocent in a court of law. Suarez was charged even though there were no witnesses and really it was his word against Evra's. They need to be seen to be doing something and they will punish him. rightly or wrongly they'll get him on a disripute charge or something like that..Also, notice how Rio's comments have been quickly brushed under carpet by media and english fa

I'm a Man Utd fan and I think that Ferdinand should receive some form of punishment for what he said. Saying that about Ashley Cole was not on. His defence will be the context he meant ut in but that was Suarez's defence too and I think he was rightly banned so Ferdinand should be punished also if you ask me.

mayoboy1
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1220153
I'm a Man Utd fan and I think that Ferdinand should receive some form of punishment for what he said. Saying that about Ashley Cole was not on. His defence will be the context he meant ut in but that was Suarez's defence too and I think he was rightly banned so Ferdinand should be punished also if you ask me.

WHAT ABOUT THE ABUSE HE GOT ON TWITTER AFTER THE VERDICT?

GetOverTheBar

Since Terry has now been found innocent - I think he's handled the whole situation admirably. Like the man or not he's got something about him to go out and take that every single weekend.

Terry wasn't found innocent, there's no such judgement possible in a criminal trial. The judgement found that there was insufficient evidence to prove that he was guilty, a very big difference. Especially when you factor in the judge's comments about the credibility of Terry's version of events.

If people play with fire on Twitter kerryluck, then they too can expect to be burnt. There are no more prolific contributors to that particular medium that Rio Ferdinand himself and theres hardly a day goes by without the BBC sportfeed publishing some banal quote or another, so if anyone knows about the power of Twitter, for good or bad, then its him.

Meath_bhoy
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1220092 GetOverTheBar...Yes Bridge had split from that girl, she was his EX...However, it's still a bit naughty to do that to a mate imo. One of my friends recently split from his fiance but no way would I step in and do the deed even though 'technically' she is a free agent


mayoboy1...The English FA are snivelling cowards and will punish Terry even though he's innocent in a court of law. Suarez was charged even though there were no witnesses and really it was his word against Evra's. They need to be seen to be doing something and they will punish him. rightly or wrongly they'll get him on a disripute charge or something like that..Also, notice how Rio's comments have been quickly brushed under carpet by media and english fa

Ok,

Suarez didn't deny it, just denied it in a racist context and there was witnesses, independent expert witnesses who disproved his defence. Even the ref Marriner, said Evra's reaction was consistent with someone who was racially abused so upset was he by it, but you know let's start a Suarez/Evra thread again, I don't think that issue was drilled into the ground enough.

Terry's assumed innocent as is his right, but he certainly wasn't proven innocent. The judge even said it's highly unlikely that Ferdinand accused Terry of calling him a B...k *..*, therefore highly unlikely Terry said it in an inquisitive manner, which is his whole defence but because it's possible and you can't prove Terry didn't think it was said, it leaves a doubt - That's more than enough for the FA to prosecute, in fact the judge has given them the initiative he even referred to Cole's corroboration as "far from compelling".

Rio's comments???? I take it by that you mean Rio's endorsement of someone else's comments and they were referenced in most media outlets, in fact most of them made him out to be the one who actually said it, rather than one of his twitter mates - that's why idiots jumped in with both feet thinking he said it and most people thought it was a racist comment about Cole's complexion, not for the first time white people grossly misunderstanding black culture. Personally I think Rio should apologise, that's as far as that should go, at the very worst Rio's endorsement of the word choc-ice had racial connotations, never in a million years was it racist, you all know that stop clutching at pathetic little straws - we call each other west-brits on here all the time, choc-ice is black culture's equivalent, but slightly more significant given the history. Ashley certainly didn't think it was racist, they're still friends and that's what matters, not what HS's ABU squad want to think.

GetOverTheBar not only was it Bridge's ex but the affair didn't actually happen. It was a complete fabrication and the paper's in question apologised. Getting back to the main issue it doesn't really matter if Rio had originally said it or not, he condoned the message and clearly agreed with it. Surely making a joke about someone's racial heritage is racist? It's also very dangerous, what Rio is saying black people should act a certain way and that way is distinct from white people. What kind of message is that to send out. In Rio's eyes Ashley Cole betrayed his colour and heritage by supporting a white person. It's as simple as that and I welcome the news that the Police are investigating it.

Pedrito

Correct we do call each other west brits but i wouldn't back an irishman against an 'innocent' (in my mind) Englishman, just because I too was an Irishman. That just wouldn't be right. I have more integrity than that

On the other hand, Rio ( by agreeing the original tweeter) was saying that ashley should have backed Anton regardless because he is the same as him, and because he then went ahead and backed his white fiend ( Terry) he was therefore a traitor....Rio was seriously questioning Ashley's integrity.

I was talking to a mate of mine, black lad working in the city as an underwriter, he agrees that the word is extremely offensive and inhibits black people from getting on in what's perceived a "white-man's world", he himself was called similar, jokingly, for having a middle class job. What ppl said is correct, the term in itself sends out the wrong message, I'm not disagreeing with that, however CONTEXT - He didn't call him that because he has a white wife (that would be racist) he called him it because he gave crucial evidence in a racism case, don't try and tell me that's not hugely significant, because posters on here, for and against, referenced Johnson in the Suarez/Evra thread, as did Paul McGrath. Also Cole's evidence was kind of to say that Ferdinand was lying, that he did say the sentence first - of course that's going to provoke antipathy in the black community. If a hypothetical racist gets away with a hypothetical race-crime because of evidence by a member of the victim's on community, there's gonna be a reaction. Again, I don't think he should have said it, I think he should apologise, but it'd be wrong to charge him, we are talking about a race-case with his brother as the victim.

FYI here's a summary of the case according to the Magistrate (this is official):


To summarize:
* There is no doubt the words "******* b***k ****" were directed at Mr Ferdinand.
* Overall I found Anton Ferdinand to be a believable witness on the central issue.
* It is inherently unlikely that he should firstly accuse John Terry of calling him a b***k ****, then shortly after the match completely deny that he had made such a comment, and then maintain that false account throughout the police investigation and throughout this trial. There is no history of animosity between the two men. The supposed motivation is slight.
* Mr Terry's explanation is, certainly under the cold light of forensic examination, unlikely. It is not the most obvious response. It is sandwiched between other undoubted insults.
* I believe that he is an unwilling witness, and would have preferred that this matter not come to court.
* There were discrepancies in his evidence. To a large extent this is what you would expect from a truthful witness. Much of what happened; happened in a brief period of time, in circumstances where the result of the game was more important than any individual argument between two players. I will return later to the discrepancies.

On that basis, I would feel upset if I was a member of the Ferdinand family.

Meath_bhoy
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1220354 Pedrito

Correct we do call each other west brits but i wouldn't back an irishman against an 'innocent' (in my mind) Englishman, just because I too was an Irishman. That just wouldn't be right. I have more integrity than that

On the other hand, Rio ( by agreeing the original tweeter) was saying that ashley should have backed Anton regardless because he is the same as him, and because he then went ahead and backed his white fiend ( Terry) he was therefore a traitor....Rio was seriously questioning Ashley's integrity


Yes, but Ashley was questioning Anton's integrity by giving evidence for the defence, the judge said to a certain degree, that he believes Anton, Rio believes Anton, so that makes (in his mind) Ashley a liar. Remember in the Ferdinand's collective minds, Terry is NOT innocent, they believe Ashley sided with a racist - in your hypothetical case the Englishman is innocent, and the Irish man isn't (bit of a role reversal there).

I think where Rio is out of order is that even if Ashley reckons Terry is guilty as hell, and he's defending a guilty man, the fact is he's defending his friend and that transcends colour - but in Rio's mind, and this is where he can be forgiven, colour is the central issue - if Anton and Terry were in a civil case over intellectual property rights, and Ashley jumped in for Terry, then Rio would be bringing colour into it unnecessarily if he called him a choc-ice, however this was a race-case, where he believes Terry to be guilty.

I understand Rio was angry, he felt his brother was the victim of racist abuse and the man Rio felt was guilty of the crime wasn't found guilty. But Ashley Cole gave his account of what happened that day and isn't deserving of any criticism whatsoever. Just because he is black he shouldn't automatically support the black person in this case, he should simply give his honest version of events. For Rio to suggest he was letting his own community down by being honest is disgraceful, I'm sure that community, like everyone else, simply wanted justice to be served. Rio clearly has a personal interest in this case but that's no excuse for his actions