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Antrim v. Down

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I expect Antrim to scrape through by 2 points on Saturday.These Down lads won't give in easily.

bushwhacker (Antrim) - Posts: 261 - 14/07/2011 14:44:17    984289

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that's the spirit bushwhacker! i hope this media silence pays off

Topa_the_left (Antrim) - Posts: 250 - 14/07/2011 15:19:55    984344

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Going by your performance against Carlow and ours against Clare, it has the makings of the worst match of all time.

Hopefully not, though! Down by 4 in a tough encounter.

ElReydeEspana (Down) - Posts: 104 - 14/07/2011 17:56:23    984585

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If we are to win, we need to: 1) get off to a good start - no more sloppy goals as Down will get into their stride and could blow us away 2) win midfield - last weekend we were decimated in the middle third and struggled to put Carlow as a result, and 3) cut down on ont frees conceeded in scorable ares - Down will punish us severely for that.
Ulster derbys are usually pretty tight. I don't know how big an advantage Casement is as Down players will be well used to it. If we can ensure we get the above right and take our scoring opportunities I think we can go close - maybe win - but it's going to very very tough.

srb (Antrim) - Posts: 344 - 14/07/2011 18:53:05    984646

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You make some good points SRB, but Antrim have got off to a slow start in their last few games, and the players are out on their feet 5 mins before the end of the game. I personally believe the warm ups are too long and complicated. I think this leaves the players a little mentally fatigued at the start of the match and physically fatigued at the end of the game. It is important to get the warm up right and keep the players focused without over doing it.
The referee will have a lot of influence on Antrim's tackling. Felt last week he kept Carlow in it by giving them frees when they ran into an Antrim cul-de-sec.
If we play as a team we have a chance, I would start with Niblock and Cunningham isolated up front and allow others such as Duggan, to come running on to the play. We need to win the midfield and prevent Down from hitting Coulter early. I believe we have a strong fast and accurate half back line, particularly Crozier and Healy, and we don't use them enough in the attack. Also the pitch will be wet tomorrow evening, winning the breaking ball will be essential, I would look at introducing Terry O'Neill again if he is fit, he is very tigerish at winning dirty ball.

galled (Antrim) - Posts: 251 - 15/07/2011 16:36:09    985474

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First and foremost, we need to get off to a good start. im led to believe that sean burke will be missing, i think his influence around the middle at disrupting and spoiling other midfielders will be a huge loss. I also hope kevin o boyle is 100% fit, as both he and colin brady went off injured last week. Michael mc cann fully fit is a boost, i fully expect him to replace burke in midfield? Our defence is still leaking silly goals, i feel mc sorley had a good game in regards to keeping the ball out of the net, but his kickouts were abysmal, he will need to work on that. we cant concede possession from our own kickouts to down as they will exploit our defence with there nippy forwards. We have the fire power to trouble there defence. Antrim by 1.

Saffron_rebel (Antrim) - Posts: 68 - 15/07/2011 16:52:19    985496

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Hear O'Boyle and Brady will be fit, heard nothing about Burkie, his physical presence will be a big loss, hope he is available.

galled (Antrim) - Posts: 251 - 15/07/2011 16:59:08    985511

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I think Niblock should be centre 3/4 and Loughrey should be at half back in place of Healy. Our half back line two years ago worked a lot better. I'd start Dougan at full forward, he was purposeful the last day. A shame if Burke is out but hopefully Mick McCann is ready to go. We really need Brady and O'Boyle fit with Coulter and Clarke really to unleash the fury! Lets just hope its Antrim that get the good start for a change!

Topa_the_left (Antrim) - Posts: 250 - 15/07/2011 18:19:14    985614

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Niblock is a full forward and Healy is an attacking half back. You can't play players out of position and expect them to play well. Duggan was best on the ball, moving forward, he is a good half forward. Think Healy and Crozier have gelled well together. Accepted Niblock has not played to his normal high standards yet, but he is due a good game as his fitness returns. Our half back line did do well two years ago, but that was because Terry O'Neill played as sweeper. It is a good tactic and might work well tomorrow if Terry is fit.

galled (Antrim) - Posts: 251 - 15/07/2011 21:23:06    985875

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Antrim to scrape it . antrim by apoint

gaelicfooty15 (Cavan) - Posts: 242 - 16/07/2011 14:55:01    986197

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Feel sorry for our players today, there was certainly not 12 points between those two teams last night. I felt Antrim worked hard for each other and were getting a good grip on the game when some how we imploded. Haven't seen the goals on TV yet so don't know if it was defensive mistakes are the brilliance of Down forwards that did the damage, but the game just turned in 5 mins.

galled (Antrim) - Posts: 251 - 17/07/2011 11:15:04    986726

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no bottle 2 be honest watching the game i clearly seen players lapping it...exact same against carlow......aaron douglas played wen he came on think he should hav started

gallbags (Antrim) - Posts: 53 - 17/07/2011 20:12:02    987354

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your confidence went to pieces went when laverty scored but to be honest some of you play lacked any plan and a number of balls were kick and hope and down defence just mopped them up, but in 5 mins down played with a mission to finish antrim and in that they succeeded and thats what any manager wants

redonion (Down) - Posts: 180 - 17/07/2011 20:25:13    987377

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Agree a little with redonion, Down tried on several occasions with power plays to destroy Antrim. At the start of the match, halfway through the second half and then again halfway through the second half. On both occasions in the first half Antrim defence held strong, but I noted Down mad three substitutions in s row which Antrim management failed to counteract. It was this that brought fresh legs into the attack and Antrim were undone. Outside of these 5 mins Antrim were on top, but its goals that win championship and Antrim don't have anyone on the panel who can take scores like that. But I do think our management team should have reacted quicker to make the changes.

galled (Antrim) - Posts: 251 - 17/07/2011 20:56:13    987440

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What happened to Ciaran Close that he is not a member of the Antrim panel any more. He was an excellent forward and we could do with all the decent forwards we can get.Maybe he's injured.

bushwhacker (Antrim) - Posts: 261 - 18/07/2011 21:16:18    988782

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Interesting point re young Close there, he seems to have just disappeared! Any reason? Unfortunately we seem to have a knack of losing good players without real explanation. Seem to also hear in grapevine that Cunningham had left recently due to non selection but made a comeback, any truth? If this is the case then maybe there any some player management issues that need sorting before going any further with current set up as im a firm believer thats once players start walking of a panel its a good indication that the management team may have lost the dressing room.

spartak22 (Antrim) - Posts: 21 - 19/07/2011 18:51:04    989662

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Don't think close would have made much of a diff. Havent seen him in a while and reckon if he was doin the business at club Baker would have had him in there, the big loss as far as the forwards are concerned was Bam Neeson who would have certainly made a differnce. Don't think Baker should get another year as has too many falling outs with palyers, talk that hands split and came back, other players like McGourtys and then M.Sweeney never touched leather after in house arguments. Look at Tyrone with Mulligan, he gets punished but will come back to play football this summer.

MacAontroim (Antrim) - Posts: 26 - 21/07/2011 12:54:54    991066

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I agree. Baker has burnt his bridges with too many of our talented players.

Saffron_rebel (Antrim) - Posts: 68 - 21/07/2011 17:10:38    991376

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I think Baker has made some fundamental errors in man management. But he has had his issues with players, including some from my own club. However the issue is bigger than management and players. Antrim needs a root and branch clear out. If it was a business what would you do. You would look at those in responsible positions and assess if they are up to the job. At present there is too much "cronnyism" its is not what you know but who you know. The important things in Antrim football are 1- the county committee 2 - individual players 3 - management or those brought in for their specialist expertise. This needs to change to give any manager a fighting chance. We have the players, they have the skills and some have the commitment, however they are lions lead by lambs. It is not easy being an Antrim player.

galled (Antrim) - Posts: 251 - 21/07/2011 20:10:17    991535

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I would n't have most of these people near my own club team never mind the county ,To win anything the manager needs respect from all his players and as we all know respect for anybody from some of these guys will never happen.They have caused more problems than anything else and i seem to remember Antim doing pretty well with out them .

mambo (Antrim) - Posts: 111 - 22/07/2011 09:00:37    991664

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