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Not the same at all. Kilmainham knew from the outset that if they reached a final they would be promoted if they reached the final.
frankthetank (Meath) - Posts: 134 - 11/01/2017 12:11:46 1944809 Link 0 |
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Moving on, Moynalty vs Carnaross first round of championship in carlanstown would draw some crowd! Bluesteel86 (Meath) - Posts: 1 - 11/01/2017 13:50:59 1944848 Link 0 |
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there would be killings in that need some amount of stewards to separate the rival hooligans. it ould be like west ham and millwall
srgt_slaughter (Meath) - Posts: 462 - 11/01/2017 14:17:50 1944857 Link 0 |
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D gaffer I don't really think you have the knowledge on this subject. Clonard were semi finalist in the junior three years ago and in fact they were not the worst team in junior last year this was one of the 2nd teams which were
Penben (Meath) - Posts: 7 - 12/01/2017 00:37:17 1945042 Link 0 |
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Clonard were relegated and rightly so. They failed to beat a Drumconrath team who were hammered by a Dunshaughlin reserve team in the final round of the groups (when reserves are supposedly at their weakest). The talk about reserve sides in Junior annoys me. If they're so strong how could Bective and Dunsany, Carnaross and Clann na nGael manage to top groups against them? Clubs in Meath have a habit of when things aren't going their way of trying to blame something other than their own performance. And in fairness to Moynalty it was a lose-lose situation for them as in if they rejected promotion they'd be slated for lack of ambition as well. nmsmithy96 (Meath) - Posts: 108 - 12/01/2017 09:36:55 1945070 Link 0 |
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Clann Na Gael were beaten in a inter final 3 years ago so does that mean they rightly belong in that division, no it doesn't so stop with your nonsense about 3 years ago. I agree with the motion and the change of format the only reason I raised the point about Clonard is that is was Moynalty who seemed to be the target of ridicule despite,in my opinion, warranting their shot more than some.
dgaffer (Meath) - Posts: 22 - 12/01/2017 21:53:34 1945324 Link 0 |
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Any word on who might be the two teams dropping from Junior A to Junior B? bowza123 (Meath) - Posts: 42 - 27/01/2017 12:58:37 1949188 Link 0 |
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I hear there's a motion at the next meeting to rescind the vote.... sounds like we don't accept democracy, just like the EU, keep voting until the big boys get the result they want. Can't see it be rescinded, it was an overwhelming majority in favour. Royal (Meath) - Posts: 20 - 27/01/2017 13:26:38 1949199 Link 0 |
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Motion in to rescind the changes passed earlier this month. Royal_Gunner (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 27/01/2017 14:34:09 1949221 Link 0 |
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I'm not sure where you are coming from on this one. There was a vote on the original proposal to drop all grades down to 16 teams, and the vote was passed. Then the junior/intermediate clubs had second thoughts so they were given a second vote to rescind it, and that was passed. Then a motion was passed to bring in these ridiculous proposals for the junior A championship, so can't see why it is now wrong to have a second vote on this one as well. If it was good enough for the Junior clubs after the first motion, then it is good enough this time as well. Personally I would like to see a little leadership shown by the county board executive, something which has been sadly lacking on this issue up until now. Everything so far seems to have been driven by individual clubs - one club comes up with their own set of proposals, and everyone votes on it. Then when everyone has had time to think properly about it, some other club puts forward a motion to rescind it. The executive should step in and say that for this year there will be no changes. Set up a small sub-committee to come up with a proposal for the championships that will be in place for the next 10 years. That committee should go around to every club in the county, talking to them and listening to them, before coming up with a document that is broadly agreeable to everyone. Put it out in draft form, let the clubs discuss it at club level and come back with more suggestions, and then publish a final proposal. At that stage the county board should put that forward as their plan for the future of club football/hurling. Since the clubs would have been properly consulted, there should be no issue with getting it passed. If they are not 100% certain that it will pass, then it should not even be voted on. Once it is passed, that's it, no further discussion on the matter and we all move on. That's proper leadership - important decisions being directed from the top, with proper involvement of the clubs. Not this nonsense that is going on at the minute. anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 27/01/2017 15:14:55 1949232 Link 7 |
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Would one of the second teams not win the junior B nearly every year? Then you would have no relegation for first teams in the junior A. If o mahonys and simonstown go down one of them will run away with the junior b, which means a junior A second team comes back to junior B, and the cycle begins again. Most second teams have completely different first 15's from one year to the next. Just because one of them gets relegated doesn't mean it will be the same group the following year, it could be much stronger and be in a lower division. This new format is a great result for the big clubs
NaNa (Meath) - Posts: 49 - 27/01/2017 16:11:47 1949251 Link 0 |
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I'm not sure if it's just Meath, but some clubs seem to have a huge ego issue about being junior/junior B, so any plans to make the divisions smaller and more competitive would just get rejected. It's kinda baffling to see clubs lose 5 or 6 championship games a year and stay up by the skin of their teeth, but they still reckon playing in the division below is too much of a humiliation. CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 27/01/2017 16:20:12 1949255 Link 7 |
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"Would one of the second teams not win the junior B nearly every year?" anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 27/01/2017 16:50:45 1949272 Link 6 |
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You are probably right Castlebravo. But that is why we need a strong leadership to put forward sensible, workable proposals and to persuade the clubs to go along with them on it. regarding teams staying up by the skin of their teeth after losing 5 or 6 championship games, if these proposals are kept, then it will be even worse. A team can lose all of its championship games by cricket scores, and not even be in a relegation play-off because the team winning the Junior B championship happened to be a B team, so another B team has to go down. In fact, once the group games of the Junior A championship is played, they will have to wait until the Junior B championship is finished before clubs even know whether or not they are in a relegation play-off. Its crazy. anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 27/01/2017 17:00:14 1949279 Link 7 |
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For once county board stood up and not like last year stood by their decision Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 10/02/2017 09:02:30 1954260 Link 1 |
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but how is it fair on the junior first team that comes across a senior 2nd team in the first round and who steam rolls the group then come the 1/4 finals they have a completely different team because lads have been brought up?
srgt_slaughter (Meath) - Posts: 462 - 10/02/2017 09:23:53 1954269 Link 0 |
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Who's relegated so?? The 2 navan sides NaNa (Meath) - Posts: 49 - 10/02/2017 09:50:58 1954273 Link 0 |
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that's football. You make it sound like teams senior or inter teams put out their entire 1st teams in the first round. the fact is that they normally have 3-4 lads getting a run out. And to be fair if you cant beat these teams in the first round with your full 1st 15 then tough luck. I do believe that the 2nd teams should be in their own group's but if there are not enough of them to create a single group then they next 1 or two 2nd teams from the year gone should make up the difference. Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 630 - 10/02/2017 10:30:54 1954289 Link 0 |