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Replying To Wedgie: ""heard a story not sure if it's true some time ago he was asked a question re ambitions and he answered to play against his brother for Meath I will leave it at that"
Yes it's probably true alright, all over Dublin there are hundreds if not thousands of kids who would quite happily settle for a Meath jersey if there was no Dublin one on offer. Ask yourself what jersey they'd be wearing if they were standing on Hill 16 as a spectator watching both teams in a AI final." Well Wedgie I'll have you know that in 2013 the two counties were playing and I seen Stuart wearing a Meath jersey. If your two parents are from the one county and interested in football and your brother attends a school in that county you would be surprised how loyalty might be felt. And ohh yeah lets not forget the fact HE PLAYS CLUB FOOTBALL IN MEATH. Honestly what is the problem
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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "Well Wedgie I'll have you know that in 2013 the two counties were playing and I seen Stuart wearing a Meath jersey. If your two parents are from the one county and interested in football and your brother attends a school in that county you would be surprised how loyalty might be felt. And ohh yeah lets not forget the fact HE PLAYS CLUB FOOTBALL IN MEATH. Honestly what is the problem" Add to the fact that his favorite player growing up was Trevor Giles,which suggests he was supporting Meath as a youth..
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 02/01/2017 10:55:35
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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "Well Wedgie I'll have you know that in 2013 the two counties were playing and I seen Stuart wearing a Meath jersey. If your two parents are from the one county and interested in football and your brother attends a school in that county you would be surprised how loyalty might be felt. And ohh yeah lets not forget the fact HE PLAYS CLUB FOOTBALL IN MEATH. Honestly what is the problem" The 'problem' is players of both codes who are deemed surplus to requirements by other counties are automatically welcomed with open arms into the Meath setup to the detriment of our own home grown talent. Where is the incentive for young fellahs to tog out week after week for their schools and clubs in the hope of winning a Meath jersey when the management will just bring in a few outsiders to take their places.
How can we expect to compete with the likes of Dublin if we set our standards so much lower? How can anybody who can't get a place on the Dublin team so easily secure a place on the Meath team?
If you're not good enough to play for Dublin you're certainly not good enough to play for Meath in my humble opinion.
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I'll throw in my tuppence worth on the situation with the players being brought in, and after that I will be silent on the issue.
I am on record here as saying that I disagreed with the Michael Deegan situation in Ashbourne/Dublin. I just didn't think it was right that a lad who was born and reared in a county, still lives in the county, and plays club football in the county, could play inter-county football for a different county. To me, that goes against the whole local parish/county ethos that makes the GAA unique.
I don't see any reason to change my opinion on this, just because the situation is in reverse.
I have no issue with the Lowndes lad. If someone moves to a different county (properly moves- not in a Seanie Johnston sort of a way!) and transfers to play club football in the county, then I have no issue with him playing football for that county, even if he has no previous ties to it. It has happened throughout the history of the GAA.
I do have an issue with the O'Connor chap from Ballyboden. Regardless of where his mother is from, he was born and reared in Dublin, lives in Dublin and plays club football in Dublin. He should play county football for Dublin if he is good enough. If he wants to play for Meath, he should move to Meath and join a Meath club. To me, his situation is even worse than Deegan's. Michael Deegan played all his underage county football for Dublin, so made it very clear from the start where his loyalties lay. O'Connor has never shown any wish to play for Meath until now.
I don't blame Andy McEntee in the slightest for trying to improve his panel in any way he can, within the rules. Quite frankly, he would be an idiot not to, given that other counties (especially Dublin) are also doing it. He is entitled to use the rules to his (and our) advantage. I think the rule stinks though, and should be changed.
I will of course cheer on any lad who puts on the green and gold and be delighted if they are successful. In the same way, I am happy to cheer on Harry Arter and Cyrus Christie and C.J. Stander and Richardt Strauss for Ireland, even if I disagree with the criteria for eligibility.
anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 02/01/2017 12:13:05
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Replying To anfearbeag: "I'll throw in my tuppence worth on the situation with the players being brought in, and after that I will be silent on the issue.
I am on record here as saying that I disagreed with the Michael Deegan situation in Ashbourne/Dublin. I just didn't think it was right that a lad who was born and reared in a county, still lives in the county, and plays club football in the county, could play inter-county football for a different county. To me, that goes against the whole local parish/county ethos that makes the GAA unique.
I don't see any reason to change my opinion on this, just because the situation is in reverse.
I have no issue with the Lowndes lad. If someone moves to a different county (properly moves- not in a Seanie Johnston sort of a way!) and transfers to play club football in the county, then I have no issue with him playing football for that county, even if he has no previous ties to it. It has happened throughout the history of the GAA.
I do have an issue with the O'Connor chap from Ballyboden. Regardless of where his mother is from, he was born and reared in Dublin, lives in Dublin and plays club football in Dublin. He should play county football for Dublin if he is good enough. If he wants to play for Meath, he should move to Meath and join a Meath club. To me, his situation is even worse than Deegan's. Michael Deegan played all his underage county football for Dublin, so made it very clear from the start where his loyalties lay. O'Connor has never shown any wish to play for Meath until now.
I don't blame Andy McEntee in the slightest for trying to improve his panel in any way he can, within the rules. Quite frankly, he would be an idiot not to, given that other counties (especially Dublin) are also doing it. He is entitled to use the rules to his (and our) advantage. I think the rule stinks though, and should be changed.
I will of course cheer on any lad who puts on the green and gold and be delighted if they are successful. In the same way, I am happy to cheer on Harry Arter and Cyrus Christie and C.J. Stander and Richardt Strauss for Ireland, even if I disagree with the criteria for eligibility." How do you feel about juvenile/underage footballers and hurlers who play their club football /Hurling in Meath but opt to play for a county other than Meath for their juvenile/underage Hurling or football knowing that if it doesn't work out for them they can always return to play their senior I/C football / Hurling for Meath...?
What sort of a message does it send out for our future talent?
To me it sends the message 'If you're really good you should try and play underage for Dublin, if it doesn't work out you can always come back!'
The message we should be sending out is 'if you're really good you should be playing for us, if you think you're better than that you should go wherever you like...but there's no coming back!'
Wedgie (Meath) - Posts: 253 - 02/01/2017 12:56:47
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Replying To Wedgie: "How do you feel about juvenile/underage footballers and hurlers who play their club football /Hurling in Meath but opt to play for a county other than Meath for their juvenile/underage Hurling or football knowing that if it doesn't work out for them they can always return to play their senior I/C football / Hurling for Meath...?
What sort of a message does it send out for our future talent?
To me it sends the message 'If you're really good you should try and play underage for Dublin, if it doesn't work out you can always come back!'
The message we should be sending out is 'if you're really good you should be playing for us, if you think you're better than that you should go wherever you like...but there's no coming back!'" Come on guys, get a bit of perspective please. It's not as if there is an epidemic of players coming from Dublin to Meath. If it becomes an ongoing thing then fair enough but I have no problem with Andy trying to hit the ground running. After all most of us agree that the immediate priority is to try and get promotion in the league to allow a platform for development. So let's hope these developments facilitate that.
oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 02/01/2017 13:43:05
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Replying To oldsam_newsam: "Come on guys, get a bit of perspective please. It's not as if there is an epidemic of players coming from Dublin to Meath. If it becomes an ongoing thing then fair enough but I have no problem with Andy trying to hit the ground running. After all most of us agree that the immediate priority is to try and get promotion in the league to allow a platform for development. So let's hope these developments facilitate that." WA thinking same thing myself, its not a epidemic.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 02/01/2017 14:24:56
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I think I've said it pretty clearly wedgie. If a lad is playing underage for a club, he should play for that counties underage team. When he turns senior, if he wants to move to a different county and dearer for them, then he is entitled to do so. If he then chooses to move back to his original county and play for them, then he is entitled to do that also. Where i have a problem is with a lad living and playing club football in one county, and playing county football in another. Unless of course he is playing county football for his original county like Bernard Flynn , or like lots of players currently playing club football in Dublin, but travelling back to play for their county.
anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 02/01/2017 14:32:27
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Replying To anfearbeag: "I think I've said it pretty clearly wedgie. If a lad is playing underage for a club, he should play for that counties underage team. When he turns senior, if he wants to move to a different county and dearer for them, then he is entitled to do so. If he then chooses to move back to his original county and play for them, then he is entitled to do that also. Where i have a problem is with a lad living and playing club football in one county, and playing county football in another. Unless of course he is playing county football for his original county like Bernard Flynn , or like lots of players currently playing club football in Dublin, but travelling back to play for their county." Well you see this is where i disagree, what about a lad playing club football in a county, but having absolutely no connection to the county team dues to parents, attends club training with Meath top on, will play his heart out for club but his county is Meath, the one he dreams about playing for is Meath, his idols growing up were Meath players not the counties where he plays club football, .
Surely he should or indeed she should be allowed to play for what they consider their county. ?
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Replying To royaldunne: "Well you see this is where i disagree, what about a lad playing club football in a county, but having absolutely no connection to the county team dues to parents, attends club training with Meath top on, will play his heart out for club but his county is Meath, the one he dreams about playing for is Meath, his idols growing up were Meath players not the counties where he plays club football, .
Surely he should or indeed she should be allowed to play for what they consider their county. ?" Seldom I'd agree with rd but would have to on this one. If your lucky enough by the grace of God to have been born q meath man or woman, and end up over time relocationg to one of the 31 lesser counties, it should dilute the fact that you are still from meath, and if that's where your passion is, the you shouldn't be stopped from pursuing it.
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Replying To Jinxie: "Seldom I'd agree with rd but would have to on this one. If your lucky enough by the grace of God to have been born q meath man or woman, and end up over time relocationg to one of the 31 lesser counties, it should dilute the fact that you are still from meath, and if that's where your passion is, the you shouldn't be stopped from pursuing it." No problem with that at all Jinxie, but that is not the issue being discussed. The issue is of a player being being born in a county, living there all his life, playing all his club football there, but playing county football for another county. To me, that just isn't right.
Anyhow, that's all I am going to say on the issue. Once they put on the green and gold, I'll be cheering them on regardless. Onwards and upwards.
anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 02/01/2017 23:27:35
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Replying To Wedgie: "The 'problem' is players of both codes who are deemed surplus to requirements by other counties are automatically welcomed with open arms into the Meath setup to the detriment of our own home grown talent. Where is the incentive for young fellahs to tog out week after week for their schools and clubs in the hope of winning a Meath jersey when the management will just bring in a few outsiders to take their places.
How can we expect to compete with the likes of Dublin if we set our standards so much lower? How can anybody who can't get a place on the Dublin team so easily secure a place on the Meath team?
If you're not good enough to play for Dublin you're certainly not good enough to play for Meath in my humble opinion." Two things firstly you asked the question of his loyalty if both counties met in a game and he was standing on the Hill that was answered by another poster .
Secondly we have had many a lad from other counties turn out for us in hurling I can guarantee you its had no affect whatsoever in kids taking up the game , I close to development squads for two age groups and lads are chomping at the bit to wear the county jersey .
Last word on the subject , good luck for the season
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Replying To Damothedub: "Two things firstly you asked the question of his loyalty if both counties met in a game and he was standing on the Hill that was answered by another poster .
Secondly we have had many a lad from other counties turn out for us in hurling I can guarantee you its had no affect whatsoever in kids taking up the game , I close to development squads for two age groups and lads are chomping at the bit to wear the county jersey .
Last word on the subject , good luck for the season" So you have no problem with a bigger county like Dublin courting our brightest young stars and turning their heads with the offer of a Blue jersey and those same lads sauntering back into the Meath county setup few years later when it didn't work out...?
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Replying To Wedgie: "So you have no problem with a bigger county like Dublin courting our brightest young stars and turning their heads with the offer of a Blue jersey and those same lads sauntering back into the Meath county setup few years later when it didn't work out...?" Can you give a few examples of this
Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 630 - 05/01/2017 21:31:36
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