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Just after reading the article about young refs...was a great read and more young lads should become 1 the way the game is gone so fast and fitness is vital it's a young man's job now a days.. if the gaa could maybe try stamp out the abuse with heavier punishments I could see more lads interested and have the backing of there county that's my opinion...meath has a great background for top refs..but have we the youth Potholes (Meath) - Posts: 9 - 07/09/2018 14:48:52 2140150 Link
Replying To Potholes: "Just after reading the article about young refs...was a great read and more young lads should become 1 the way the game is gone so fast and fitness is vital it's a young man's job now a days.. if the gaa could maybe try stamp out the abuse with heavier punishments I could see more lads interested and have the backing of there county that's my opinion...meath has a great background for top refs..but have we the youth" I think there has to be much more PR done to promote referees, a lot of people think referees have agendas/bias against certain teams/players. when you read this article, you can see their main concern is to have a flawless performance and get every call right. madmeath (Meath) - Posts: 50 - 08/09/2018 21:22:58 2140395 Link
Certainly the day of a ref only working between the 2 45s (and that is being too generous to a lot of them) is gone, game is to quick for that, Need to encourage more lads to get involved but also we need to be clamping down on the abuse that is given to them, very difficult to do anything about what is said from outside the wire but some of the stuff is disgraceful, The standard of reffing causes the frustration so its is a vicious circle. The better refs get very little stick from the line longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 325 - 10/09/2018 10:02:38 2140624 Link
Replying To longroadback: "Certainly the day of a ref only working between the 2 45s (and that is being too generous to a lot of them) is gone, game is to quick for that, Need to encourage more lads to get involved but also we need to be clamping down on the abuse that is given to them, very difficult to do anything about what is said from outside the wire but some of the stuff is disgraceful, The standard of reffing causes the frustration so its is a vicious circle. The better refs get very little stick from the line" Agree with you... but some of the selection of refs in meath for games are very bad some lads I admire for it but really don't no rules or can keep up and the same refs get the big games.... the abuse will always be there but any ref abused there should be punishments given to that person and fine to clubs or county Potholes (Meath) - Posts: 9 - 10/09/2018 16:58:14 2140813 Link
I have been a ref for the last 5/6 years... adult & underage,I walked away from it 2 months,just the abuse from spectators/mentors/parents is just getting out of hand,i used to bring my 2 kids with me,but the last straw was when I was getting into my car after the match with my kids and I was approached by a angry spectator from Team B calling me everything under the sun, Only I had my 2 kids with me,i would have lost the plot with this spectator,so I said after that day its not for me. I played football since I was 8 years of age, retired when I was in my early 40s,played in a few county finals,i taught with my football experience and the referee course,this might be a way of being still be involved on the pitch of play. but the abuse just got the better of me and I think the gaa is going have to tackle the issue soon instead of ignoring it. ghostrider (Meath) - Posts: 28 - 02/10/2018 12:33:17 2144752 Link
Why would any one take up refereeing when you see the way they're treated. Never mind the spectators. Look at the way the co board treat them. latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 520 - 02/10/2018 16:02:12 2144789 Link
Why would any one take up refereeing when you see the way they're treated. Never mind the spectators. Look at the way the co board treat them. Just ask David Gough. I suppose this won't get published either. I see the other thread was shut down. latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 520 - 02/10/2018 17:50:15 2144807 Link
It is now not possible for a referee to see everything and make consistent decisions. If this was addressed it would be more practical to take up refereeing. GAA have refused to accept VAR. The pressure on referees in Big games under the glare of TV is enormous. It would be enough responsibility to just call the decisions as instructed by VARS outside the glare of the screen. In less high profile games, But still important. Linesmen with a stronger role are needed. They are even more vulnerable to abuse by spectators , managers ,subs,and hangers on. To avoid discouraging Linesmen stiff penalties are needed. Including stopping games and awarding result to the team not involved or neither team. Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 518 - 03/10/2018 10:34:48 2144916 Link
Replying To ghostrider: "I have been a ref for the last 5/6 years... adult & underage,I walked away from it 2 months,just the abuse from spectators/mentors/parents is just getting out of hand,i used to bring my 2 kids with me,but the last straw was when I was getting into my car after the match with my kids and I was approached by a angry spectator from Team B calling me everything under the sun, Only I had my 2 kids with me,i would have lost the plot with this spectator,so I said after that day its not for me. I played football since I was 8 years of age, retired when I was in my early 40s,played in a few county finals,i taught with my football experience and the referee course,this might be a way of being still be involved on the pitch of play. but the abuse just got the better of me and I think the gaa is going have to tackle the issue soon instead of ignoring it." So why didn't you put it in your report? If you did tgr club in quesrion woykd have to name tge person and relevent punishment would be served. Far too many referees don't report the nonsense and bull they put up with, so the problems keeps rolling on. crosstheline (Meath) - Posts: 6 - 03/10/2018 13:53:41 2144961 Link
Not in a million years would I become a ref, the abuse just wouldn't be worth it. Now abuse by itself is bad enough, but what's worse is how it's just by and large accepted. Managers, players and fans will dish out horrific abuse at a ref during a match no matter how he performs, but rather than show any remorse afterwards they actually defend themselves and try to play the victim, saying they just want "consistency" and "fairness" from the referee saying they need "better training". For bigger games you'll get pundits/social media etc. all feeding into this cycle of abusing the referee, which reinforces managers' and players' attitudes that it's OK to abuse the referee. The only people who will explicitly defend the referee are the GAA themselves, but that defence will be at best ignored by the public and at worst inspire them to dish out more abuse against officialdom. At the end of the day the ref is a human being doing his best, but people can't seem to appreciate that. There's no attempt to see how the ref is obliged to make dozens of decisions under pressure, each in an instant, only seen once at one (potentially obscured) angle. It's just a black and white case that the referee is bad and must be against your team. I always wonder when people call for more training for referees, who do they think will do this training? Is there a panel of refereeing gurus being kept hidden from public view, who are better than the refs we have now and can teach them a few things? CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 03/10/2018 19:05:03 2145004 Link
Crosstheline: How do you know he didn't put it in his report. How many referees reports are ignored by the CCC. It depends on the club involved. latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 520 - 03/10/2018 19:22:00 2145006 Link
Replying To CastleBravo: "Not in a million years would I become a ref, the abuse just wouldn't be worth it. Now abuse by itself is bad enough, but what's worse is how it's just by and large accepted. Managers, players and fans will dish out horrific abuse at a ref during a match no matter how he performs, but rather than show any remorse afterwards they actually defend themselves and try to play the victim, saying they just want "consistency" and "fairness" from the referee saying they need "better training". For bigger games you'll get pundits/social media etc. all feeding into this cycle of abusing the referee, which reinforces managers' and players' attitudes that it's OK to abuse the referee. The only people who will explicitly defend the referee are the GAA themselves, but that defence will be at best ignored by the public and at worst inspire them to dish out more abuse against officialdom. At the end of the day the ref is a human being doing his best, but people can't seem to appreciate that. There's no attempt to see how the ref is obliged to make dozens of decisions under pressure, each in an instant, only seen once at one (potentially obscured) angle. It's just a black and white case that the referee is bad and must be against your team. I always wonder when people call for more training for referees, who do they think will do this training? Is there a panel of refereeing gurus being kept hidden from public view, who are better than the refs we have now and can teach them a few things? " Referees are under a lot of pressure, in a recent junior Match i witnessed a team mentor strike an opposing mentor and then roar abuse to referees face when approached. Clubs need to.learn the importance of their mentors being dignified on the line and in some clubs cases maybe a few less hangers on on the line might help. There will be tension on the line in big games but once it is all put to bed after the whistle then there should be no problem, as the poster says when bullies who are never wrong come into the equation it is then the issues arise. Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1467 - 05/10/2018 10:37:48 2145242 Link
Replying To Ashrules: "It is now not possible for a referee to see everything and make consistent decisions. If this was addressed it would be more practical to take up refereeing. GAA have refused to accept VAR. The pressure on referees in Big games under the glare of TV is enormous. It would be enough responsibility to just call the decisions as instructed by VARS outside the glare of the screen. In less high profile games, But still important. Linesmen with a stronger role are needed. They are even more vulnerable to abuse by spectators , managers ,subs,and hangers on. To avoid discouraging Linesmen stiff penalties are needed. Including stopping games and awarding result to the team not involved or neither team." Found this post partially about GAA and VAR etc and the link below of an interview with Shane Walsh refers to something similar. https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/1019/1254647-shane-walsh-off-the-ball-incidents-need-to-be-cut-out/ Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3732 - 20/10/2021 10:58:42 2386389 Link
Linesman and umpires need to be given more responsibility during matches and should be allowed to make these calls on and off the ball..... At club level disaster 1 Linesman at senior qfinals last weekend absolute joke surely they can find 2 refs to do... Are Linesmen paid does any1 know..... Potholes (Meath) - Posts: 9 - 20/10/2021 13:00:34 2386424 Link
The refereeing issue will always be there but the carry on from management and sidelines at all grades is the reason we struggle to get them. Why would you want to subject yourself to that abuse? In terms of VAR its an amateur organisation we need to stop trying to professionalise it. CMAN1570 (Meath) - Posts: 53 - 20/10/2021 13:39:31 2386432 Link
Replying To CMAN1570: "The refereeing issue will always be there but the carry on from management and sidelines at all grades is the reason we struggle to get them. Why would you want to subject yourself to that abuse? In terms of VAR its an amateur organisation we need to stop trying to professionalise it." Galway's Shane Walsh interview is very good and he has a very valid point. Players taken out of it and out of the game - off the ball, needs to be clamped down on. You see it at underage also - top players who are targeted get very little protection from this sort of stuff. I personally think the umpires turn a blind eye to a lot of it. 2 umpires at either end and 2 linesmen and a reserve ref and none see this sort of stuff.??? They do, but dont want to get involved a lot of the time, which is wrong imo. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3732 - 20/10/2021 15:45:39 2386478 Link
Replying To Fionn: "Galway's Shane Walsh interview is very good and he has a very valid point. Players taken out of it and out of the game - off the ball, needs to be clamped down on. You see it at underage also - top players who are targeted get very little protection from this sort of stuff. I personally think the umpires turn a blind eye to a lot of it. 2 umpires at either end and 2 linesmen and a reserve ref and none see this sort of stuff.??? They do, but dont want to get involved a lot of the time, which is wrong imo." The umpires duties are some what limited aswell and the linesmen unless referees are potentially wearing mics. It's the referee who needs to be aware of it and enforce anything he sees. That comes down to the quality of the referees, if players are getting away with it they will keep doing it.. CMAN1570 (Meath) - Posts: 53 - 20/10/2021 17:39:11 2386504 Link
Replying To Potholes: "Linesman and umpires need to be given more responsibility during matches and should be allowed to make these calls on and off the ball..... At club level disaster 1 Linesman at senior qfinals last weekend absolute joke surely they can find 2 refs to do... Are Linesmen paid does any1 know....." If they are officially appointed by the county board they get paid,I nearly sure its 20 euro royal1967 (Meath) - Posts: 257 - 20/10/2021 19:03:17 2386529 Link
Replying To royal1967: "If they are officially appointed by the county board they get paid,I nearly sure its 20 euro" The issue is the referee's coordinator is not appointing them. latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 520 - 21/10/2021 10:28:23 2386579 Link