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Posters Crossing The Line - 18 Like(s)

Replying To greysoil:  "Have noticed an emerging unsavoury tone by some posters of late. Indeed, what is surprising is the posts that are being generated by users that would have appeared level headed before. There is no place for personal slights on players or indirectly on their families. Important to remember that these are amateurs giving a big chunk of their time to their counties & for our entertainment. Keep the slagging general. We never know the impact of flippant commentary. #Give respect. Get respect."
The post you refer to was not a personal slight on a player. The post was so obviously satirical. The David Clifford of the post bears next to no resemblance to the real David Clifford. The David Clifford of the post is a caricature and not even one of the real David Clifford. There was nothing specifically targeted at Clifford in that post at all. The character could have been named after any Kerry player and still have worked exactly the same. The target of the satire was categorically not David Clifford, the target of the satire was the Kerry posters who claim to be unable to compete with Dublin financially. The post was highlighting that Kerry players are hardly badly off themselves. I mean my god. I'm far from being an anti pc zealot and believe in respect for all, but we have to be able to allow for good natured humour also. There was just nothing unsavory about that post whatsoever.

Whammo86 (National) - 05/06/2019 05:41:02

Analyst Claims Dubs 'Actually Being Underfunded' - 13 Like(s)

Replying To Hawkeye9212:  "You can't wait for the rural counties to die."
That's just not true. I just believe that people aren't being sensible at all on this topic. There's an idea out there that the GAA only care about Dublin GAA. It's simply not true. This a the development report for 2015 explaining all the work the GAA is doing all over the country. All I'm saying is that I don't feel Dublin should be defunded with money redistributed to weaker counties. Dublin needs coaches to deal with the sheer number of kids living in the country. It's also not true that Dublin kids aren't playing the games. The Blue Wave 2010-2017 proposal describes the numbers playing Go Games in 2010. Out of of a total population of 38k for the 2 year Go Games age group in 2010 there were over 7k playing football and almost 5k playing hurling. It's hard to know how many played both but those figures show that in 2010, before the start of Blue Wave, there was between 20-30% take up of our games by the children of Dublin. That's boys and girls, includes all the kids with no interest in sport. 20-30% take up. It will only have grown since then. To say that Dublin isn't getting kids participating is a myth.

Whammo86 (National) - 28/07/2019 21:48:09

Dublin's Success Not Down To Money - GAA President - 12 Like(s)
I just don't agree with that last part. The GDF just isn't that inequitable. Dublin also came up with the model and it's now being rolled out to Meath, Kildare, Wicklow, Louth and Belfast. I just don't see how the current 1.23m of a total budget of 11m being spent on Dublin as all that out of step. So outside of that Dublin money there's 3.5m spent development personnel, 1.5m spent on county projects. There's then 2.3m being spent on hurling development. 18m overall spend on Dublin isn't actually that much also. It's always referenced v say 1.2m as being distributed to the next county. That's not a fair comparison as I've tried to point out a number of times. It's 18m of somewhere in the region of 120m total spend on development in the same time period. It's 1/5 of the price of Páirc Ui Chaoimh. It's the going rate of about 4 centres of development. It's money efficiently spent and benefiting 10 of thousands of kids each year. It's clearly getting more people playing Gaelic games in Dublin. Imagine if say the FA implemented a games development initiative in London that was so successful and got the numbers playing soccer greatly increased. There would not be calls of it being a disgrace. There'd be no calls to defund it. It's just because of the nature of the GAA's county system that the top teams are decided by geographic borders that this becomes an issue. The GAA's remit is to promote the games. I think providing a proper coaching infrastructure in the clearly most populous area is part of that remit. If you decide to do that, there's a cost associated with it and it just has to be paid. If you ever budget a project in a business capacity there's ways to save around the edges at times, but to do a project there's a critical amount of money that is required to make it a success. It just has to be paid if the project is worth being done.

Whammo86 (National) - 26/07/2019 18:09:16

Dublin V Louth - What A Farce - 11 Like(s)

Replying To TheUsername:  "County Dublin has a population of 1.345 mill people at the last census a chara. The exact formula for distribution isnt known in all honesty, for example i dont know why Kerry get significantly more then say Donegal or Mayo, who are counties of a similar make up and status. Personally i believe, demographics come into to a large extent, but perhaps more detailed then i have illustrated, for example i would like to hope that GAA use distribution to high figures of distribution in counties with a high population of a young demographic, targeting counties with a high demographic of minors. I dont think GAA membership comes into it much, why would provide GAA games development funding for people who are members. I would hope it is distributed however on discrepancies, i mean if there is 1.3 mill in Dublin and 39k registered players, that is a shockingly obvious priority for Games development. In truth no body really knows the formula the GAA use, i would suspect and hope its a bit of a hybrid on all of the above."
I tried to read up on this as much as I could. My perception is that there is not exact formula. The money is used in a couple of different ways. Some of it is for infrastructure development. A large amount of it is for coaching initiatives. In Dublin a lot is spent on paying GDOs. These guys are needed to organize the sheer number of kids that are coming down to the largest of clubs. County boards and Provincial councils make a case as to what they require to promote their games. Dublin GAA needs people on the ground. Those saying give that money to other counties, how are they going to use that money. What works in Dublin a part of the country with a population density that completely exceeds every other area of the country will not work in a more rural county. This is an interesting document on the work being done. Dublin definitely have benefited from the money the GAA has put into them. I don't think anything should be done about it. In case people aren't aware there are new kids born in Dublin every year. There's a cost associated with getting them out and playing our games. I think the association just have to pay it. The county game does suffer as a result but I mean what can you do. If one county dwarfs the rest in population and have their act together they are going to be at the top table. Inter county football is certainly high profile but it isn't the be all and end all of our games. This idea that people need to be in counties that can compete for All Ireland's is rubbish. There are plenty of people like me from weak counties who get loads out of the game. I really detest some of the moaning about Dublin on here. It's so resentful, it's petty, it's narrow minded and takes no consideration of all the good going into young children's lives in Dublin GAA clubs many of which are situated in some economically deprived parts of the country.

Whammo86 (National) - 28/05/2019 18:17:12

Analyst Claims Dubs 'Actually Being Underfunded' - 11 Like(s)

Replying To Hawkeye9212:  "I didn't suggest that. We can give children a chance to play the games without providing based on birth rates. No other sporting organisation does it."
I'm not saying we provide based on birth rates. There's no formula. Money is distributed for projects not based on an exact formula. All I'm saying is Dublin's piece of the pie is certainly not as out of step as Ewan McKenna would tell you. There isn't financial doping going on. I give birth rates because it indicates how much of a need for coaches there is in Dublin.

Whammo86 (National) - 28/07/2019 21:34:34

Joe Brolly Finished With RTE - 11 Like(s)
I will not miss him. I never understood the Joe Brolly being "box office" (i'm cringing typing that phrase) description. He's an average GAA pundit, with a bit of a colourful turn of phrase and with a sense that he's got free license to say whatever comes into his head. He's hijacked so many conversations at times to discuss whatever it is that's of interest to him. He goes off at all sorts of tangents. I think he views himself as some sort of saviour of the Association, he's more interested in the workings of the upper offices of the sport than he is in the games himself. I actually just think he's not that good of a pundit either. I never feel he's said something new or enlightened. I think it's funny how after the Mayo Dublin semi final we was praising himself for calling their kick outs, the weak link. At halftime of that game he was specifically questioning the short kickout strategy. Mayo in the second half got cleared out in midfield as they went long which was actually what Brolly was advocating they do. His relationship with Joanne is toxic, and although the hurling coverage is far from perfect at least there is some flow to what they're doing. That has me thinking it's less Joanne's fault than Brolly's. I'm glad to see the back of him.

Whammo86 (National) - 11/09/2019 18:23:44

Analyst Claims Dubs 'Actually Being Underfunded' - 11 Like(s)

Replying To moc.dna:  "You gave numbers as if they were facts, yet you cannot back up these stated figures. Children under any age in the GAA are supposed to be registered for insurance & child safety reasons. Your Blue Wave figures you gave as fact are anything but & you haven't actually backed it up. It's amazing how many Dubs & GAA employees come on here stating figures & facts as if they are untouchable. Eminently believable & fact are two very different things."
That's a fair criticism. I was certainly presenting the numbers uncritically. This is an Internet forum though and few others are ever held to the scrutiny that you're applying to me. I will be more careful though because I do believe in the spirit of my arguments and don't want to undermine it. I don't believe those Blue Wave numbers to be pulled from nowhere. They actually just can't be, it's illegal to be procuring money under false pretenses. The definitely could be loose in how they've been constructed though. Some on here would have you believe that no one is playing GAA in Dublin. I don't think it's true, although it is a fair point, I don't know why the registered members numbers wouldn't be increasing. Do you have stats for membership and how they've developed. I have struggled to find them. It's becoming less true by the year as more people move from country areas to Dublin and have their kids playing. I'm not employed by the GAA or in anyway associated with a Dublin club. The club I joined since I moved to work in Dublin is based in East Meath, although I do now live in Dublin city.

Whammo86 (National) - 31/07/2019 10:02:40

Should Stag nights for Gaa players be banned in Summer? - 10 Like(s)

Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith Cavan here

I just wonder would the Gaa be a great service to the Gaa players if a total ban was imposed on all GAA players participating in this so called stag night or indeed the twelve pubs night during the Summerr playing season. It could be banned at club level first and then if it was successful you could have a county wide ban
I suppose it would have to be a voluntary ban.
I know that the females among us ( The great Mrs T included) will say that hen nights will be the next thing to be banned.
But if you look at it currently team managers have to juggle between weedings, stag nights, hen nights, 18th birthday, 21 st and the latest is a getting together celebration"
100% right. Birthdays should also be banned. Weddings wtf are they all about anyway. In this day and age how can any man in his right mind commit the rest of his life to one woman anyway. I think the GAA needs to lobby the US govt to restrict J1 visas from anyone who has played GAA over the previous 24 months. Add it to the declaration slip, ffs! Have you ever been part of a terrorist organisation? Have you played Gaelic Games? Have you been detained for drug trafficking offences? These f8cking players, are their f8cking liberties. Having a life outside of football! F8ck sake. Balanced life, I'll balance your f8cking life for you.

Whammo86 (National) - 29/10/2016 11:14:33

Dublin V Louth - What A Farce - 10 Like(s)

Replying To valley84:  "That's what millions pumped into a county gets you"
Those millions spent on getting tens of thousands of kids playing Gaelic games, those millions?

Whammo86 (National) - 26/05/2019 12:17:40

Dublin's Success Not Down To Money - GAA President - 10 Like(s)
Seriously though I am a real person and have been on the site a long time. I'm originally from Antrim but have worked in Dublin for over 10 years and currently live in Dublin. I have also been playing for a Meath club for over 10 years. Up until I read the Irish Times article from 2017 I believed the likes of Ewan McKenna. There will definitely be posts of mine on here from pre 2017 where I'm critical of the money spent on Dublin. I read the article and heard for the first time about how Provincial councils pay GDOs except in Dublin where they are paid by the county board. That prompted me to look into things properly on my own. I really do feel there's a lot of misinformation out there sensationalising the money spent on Dublin. It also annoys me as an Antrim man to here say a Kerry person give out about unfairness now that they're not winning. The money that has been invested by the GAA no doubt has helped Dublin GAA. No doubt. I mean it has gotten more people playing GAA. Surely that is the key principle that is part of the GAA's mission statement to promote Gaelic Games. The GAA still are doing great work all over the country promoting our games. Anyone wanting to learn more, the most recent development report I can find from 2015, has information on what projects the association is doing all over the country to promote the games.

Whammo86 (National) - 27/07/2019 13:46:40

Dublin's Success Not Down To Money - GAA President - 10 Like(s)
I hate these threads. I hate responding to them because it gives them fuel to continue but I do have to try to get some perspective here. Anyone who is against the GAA's €1.5m a year games development funding going to Dublin GAA is against trying to get as many Dublin born children playing Gaelic games. That's it. That's what you are fighting. There's a project in place to coach as many of the roughly 15k children a year born in Dublin as possible. The cost of that project is currently about 3-3.5m per annum of which the GAA puts up half. Why does the GAA not put that money into other counties? It doesn't cost that amount to coach kids in other counties because there are 15k children being born in those counties each year. Also any stat that compares the money going to Dublin versus say Cork isn't a fair comparison. Anyone using those stats are basing their arguments on a bad faith use of the funding breakdown. Much of that information has been vociferously spread by the completely unbiased reporting from ... Ewan McKenna? Most of the money being spent by the games development funds is being spent on GDO's. Dublin based GDO's are employed by the Dublin county board funded in part by GAA central council. Cork GDO's are employed by Munster Council part funded by GAA central council. Cork children are still having coaching provided to them from funding provided by the GAA central council, it just never flows through the hands of the Cork county board. Dublin GAA gets around €1.5m a year of a total games development budget of around €11m. It's a whole lot less sensational number there isn't it. That's because the story is a lot less sensational than some would have you believe.

Whammo86 (National) - 25/07/2019 05:44:38

Analyst Claims Dubs 'Actually Being Underfunded' - 10 Like(s)

Replying To greysoil:  "The faux county allegiance really slipping Whammo."
I answered this on another thread and I've never hidden anything. I am from Antrim, lived and played in Antrim until I began working in Dublin. I played my football in Meath though, married a Meath woman. Whilst I now live in Dublin my allegiance would be Antrim first, Meath second. Regardless of allegiance I can appreciate the job that Dublin county board have done. I hope both Antrim and Meath can do similar. I am less involved now in any shape or form with Antrim but I do think they are on the right track with Gaelfast. It's putting a focus on getting strong links between schools and clubs and I hope it leads to a greater number of players coming through. In Meath I think there's a lot of work to be done to get the most out of the playing talent. It's less a case about getting numbers out and more about getting standards up. I think over time things will improve. The East Meath clubs are doing some excellent work. Dunboyne, Rathoath, St Colmcille's seem to be going about things the right way. I think there are still problems in North Meath, these clubs are struggling for numbers. Their underage teams are playing at low levels in the county leagues. I think there are too many clubs in Meath probably and too many levels for underage. A talented player in a weaker club is going to get fewer opportunities weak in weak out to develop themselves. I think they've also put to much effort into development squads. For years you'll hear about the good team coming through in Meath. They've tried to centralise their excellence but it's not spreading the development to a wide enough net. I honestly don't understand your preoccupation with my allegiances anyway. I have the capacity to think beyond the limits of what's good for my own teams.

Whammo86 (National) - 27/07/2019 17:09:17

Does Anyone Remember... - 10 Like(s)
Last year when there were posters on here who didn't rate Ciaran Kilkenny. He doesn't score enough, all he does is pass the ball 20 metres etc. There's some foolish rubbish gets thrown up on here, I'm glad the passing of time has shown how idiotic those comments were.

Whammo86 (National) - 03/09/2018 08:48:45

All the talk about Ulster!!!!Connacht is the strongest - 9 Like(s)

Replying To Cuckoosinging:  "All ulterior lads think they have hardest strongest most competitive province but three Connacht teams in the last 8 and we seen tonight what the second strongest team in Connacht did to one of the best in Ulster. Well done Galway"
Oh ffs Seriously how many Ulster posters have come on here saying we've the hardest most competitive province in recent times. It was true 10 years ago and to a much lesser extent 5 years ago but it really hasn't been of late. The one thing about being from Ulster though is you have to win more games to get to the same stage and apart from a game against Antrim there aren't really any gimmes in Ulster championship. Great win for Galway. Great Connacht final win for Roscommon and it's great to see 3 Connacht teams in the last 8. Why can't you just be happy with that? Why do you have to go around slagging off supporters from Ulster counties. It's just so agro and unnecessary. The only thing that matters anyway is the county team. Good luck to Roscommon next weekend.

Whammo86 (National) - 23/07/2017 09:39:52

Analyst Claims Dubs 'Actually Being Underfunded' - 9 Like(s)

Replying To moc.dna:  "Replying to your posts on here is getting more difficult as there seems to be complete oversight in relation to anything posted in reference to you & many posts in reply to you are stopped/censored, we all know why though. You need to be corrected though as your dishing out information there that cannot be factually correct. In reference to the blue wave proposal, your figures relating to children playing Go Games was collated from what source other than the authors of the blue wave ? They are certainly not from GAA membership as it doesn't correspond with registered numbers. The blue wave report was drawn up as a document partly to source direct funding from a number of sources so anybody who swallows the figures given from it is naive. Your interest in Dublin games development funding is amazing & intersting, especially when you start digging !"
I'd be open to reading from other sources. If I saw something to change my mind I would change my mind. I did think on your points also. The numbers stated are for under 10s I think it likely many of these aren't registered members. The numbers also fit a sense check. They are eminently believable. In Kilmacud Crokes for instance they are capping out their 4 year old nursery at 100 children. Granted it's the largest club but that is still numbers for only 1 club. On your point on naively swallowing something used to gain funding, I guess I'm just assuming that the Blue Wave was engaging in fraud. On my interest in Dublin GAA. I do now live and work in Dublin. It's something I've mentioned on here many times. Mainly my interest in GDF comes from being on this site and being irritated by the number of these GAA are killing the game by funding Dublin threads. The bug the hell out of me. Most of the stuff goes unchecked. People will say things like it's obvious that Dublin GAA are grossly overfunded. Well that's not obvious to me at all. Dublin get 1.23m out of a total GDF pot of 11m currently. Ewan McKenna's analysis is rubbish because he neglects the fact that GDOs are paid for by Provincial councils in every other county outside of Dublin. I'd be willing to listen to any argument moving beyond that but none have been forthcoming.

Whammo86 (National) - 30/07/2019 09:10:09

Glenswilly 0-03 St Eunans 0-02 - 9 Like(s)

Replying To waynoI:  "This was a full time score in a Donegal league game this afternoon. What do yiz think of that then ? Crazy."
Heard it was a cracker. Never more than a goal in it.

Whammo86 (National) - 24/07/2016 16:32:10

Case Study: Longford Football To Connaught? - 9 Like(s)

Replying To Donegalman:  "Yes indeed you have already commented on this Legendxix. Your contagion of topics is boring and deeply cynical. I think the spike in your activity suggests you are ill at ease as there is a certain 5 in a row looming large. As someone said earlier, this is not a case study. But this is going to go over your head anyway. I'm sure you are teeing up your next subject. Why don't you give Whammo86 a rest and give Omhant a run?"
Admin can you stop this. It's getting tiresome, this guy is repeatedly claiming people are other users, when they are just not. None of these posts are on topic. I don't see how they need to get through.

Whammo86 (National) - 31/07/2019 05:45:34

Dublin's Success Not Down To Money - GAA President - 9 Like(s)

Replying To kingdom_come:  "Lot of factors at play here apart from direct GAA $$$$$ 1. Club facilities Dublin have a club structure that no other county can match. I've played club football in a few counties, and the club setups in Dublin, the clubhouses, multiple pitches and coaching facilities like in Ballyboden, Kilmacud are well ahead. The only club I've played at outside of Dublin that can match is Nemo Rangers. Some clubs do need to use corpo pitches, but 2. Club membership + funding Big clubs like B'boden, Na Fianna, Cuala, Kilmacud and Vincents would all have large memberships of 1,000+ adults. Very few clubs outside of Dublin have this kind of resource pool when it comes to organising and running clubs. Adults pay fees, plus there are probably more chances of having a significant contributor, be it in cash or expertise, in a club with a large adult membership. 3. Club sponsorship Pretty straightforward one here - a top Dublin club can command vastly higher sums of money per sponsor than a club in Mayo or Kerry. There are exceptions, but by and large I think Dublin clubs would be well ahead in this regard. 4. Pure weight of numbers Dublin have excellent coaching setups, but they also have a quarter of the population. Rugby, soccer, cricket, chess all happen on Fermanagh so lets not talk about the numbers lost to other sports. % wise its probably similar 5. Geography Say what you want about Dublin traffic, but if I'm a Dublin player heading to training or home after training, I'm happy that I live in a small county with a vast public transport infrastructure. Kerry players from An Gaeltacht had a 3 hour round trip to Killarney for training, if I'm playing for Cork and from Castletownbere, its even further. 6. Croke Park Croke Park is a big advantage too. Nothing like waking up in your own bed the night before a big game and not a hotel room. Plus familiarity. It all adds up and at the top levels, they make a huge difference. Add into that the money Dublin earn from having league matches there and those pockets are getting very big and heavy. Now, the above are big big factors that weigh heavily in Dublin's favour outside of the money question. But that central funding money does tip the balance even further in Dublin's favour. Leitrim is a big county with a small population. If they find a good footballer, they need to develop them. They cannot afford wastage if they are to be in any way competitive. There should be a weighting based on the difficulties some counties have in finding, training and retaining players. Flip it and approach it from a North American sports point of view and give the least successful counties a big dig out. We cannot hold a draft and salary caps don't apply. We don't have transfers. So what I'm talking about is giving multiples of the per head payment to clubs in weak and poor performing counties. Give a small club in Leitrim with no chance of generating any the same funding as Cuala with its 1,600 adult members. Let them install all the flood lights they want, buy a football for every underage player to sleep with. Kids in Leitrim travel a long way to training, make them a few sandwiches for the effort and let the clubs return to having a pivotal role. Just my thoughts." There are projects taking place to do those sorts of things over the country. Look at the Sligo have a ball program. Cork 'Monster' blitzes Longford's initiative to get under 14 and under 16 players getting more 15 a side games. Those initiatives are being funded by the GAA games development. There are different challenges across the country and good work being done. To be honest the negative publicity about Dublin's funding really is taking away from that good work elsewhere. It's going to hurt volunteer rates probably. Why should I help out coaching all the money goes to Dublin. No it doesn't, there's loads to be done wherever you are and there's support to do it.

Whammo86 (National) - 28/07/2019 11:08:00

Super 8 General Discussion - 8 Like(s)

Replying To sam1884:  "I think by the end of this super 8 series the GAA will need to look at the project. Roscommon/Tyrone, Tyrone/Cork, Dublin/Roscommon, Dublin/Cork, Kerry, Donegal, Mayo/Meath will all be mismatches. Add matchday 3 in Group B to not relevant. This leaves us with the Mayo/Kerry/Donegal matches worth watching and even at that I'm not sure Kerry will be good enough to beat the other two. The super 8's was meant to be the gold chip event but with these fixtures it's going to be bad PR for the football championship. For me the semi finals will be: Dublin V Mayo Donegal V Tyrone"
My god what a pessimistic post. I'd be shocked if there were more than 3 points in every game you mention. Cork, Meath, Roscommon have all earned the right to be here and play the top teams. If they are to progress they have to play the best at some stage.

Whammo86 (National) - 08/07/2019 17:15:01

Dublin's Success Not Down To Money - GAA President - 8 Like(s)

Replying To bdbuddah:  "Fair play to Whammo for making the effort to try to find figures as there is not many figures available for participation rates. But as discussed on the other thread on a similar topic on this website I would not be taking these figures completely at face value. The figures for births are surely true (these would be taken off national statistics) but there is little detail how they actually came to the figures/ estimates for Go Games participation rates. They have also picked the Go Games age groups (before they start playing actual matches at U12 age group) which is a very transient underage group where kids come and go and don't necessarily play every week. Remember there would be an element of spin to this report, it is a plan which was got together and used to justify funding for Dublin."
I think every thing you say is fair here. I'd also like to add that I do agree there are problems with the competitiveness in football and that I'd be shocked if it turned out to be a flash in the pan. I just disagree that it's because there's been "unfair" financial assistance to Dublin or certainly the extent of it is greatly exaggerated. I think it's because Dublin were able to get themselves more organised and that the money from central council facilitated this process. I think the GAA as an organisation with a mission to promote our games are duty bound to provide this assistance. I think it's good that Dublin's funding has been scaled back, it's down about 15% but there are still large numbers of kids that should be coached in Dublin and the greatest opportunity for new growth is in Dublin, East Leinster and Belfast. The preoccupation with money also fogs the other advantages Dublin have. The population advantage that they have will only become more pronounced over time. There will likely be a growing percentage of their population participating in GAA. I personally don't like the idea of a split of Dublin but I can understand the argument for it. There's another huge advantage that Dublin has and that's the size of their clubs. The sheer weight of numbers creates such a competitive environment for players at club level. Kilmacud have roughly 200 kids per 2 year age grade. They could field 10 teams per age grade. The competition levels that exist there just to play for the top team in one club is going to be huge. You have that competitive environment from that early age in Dublin it's going to necessitate players to get the most out of their abilities. It's a wide net they have also. The Kilmacud Crokes story is replicated across the city to less extreme degrees. St Vincent's, Ballymun, Ballyboden, Na Fianna, Saint Brigids, Cuala and emerging clubs like Templelogue Synge Street and Castleknock will have huge numbers coming through also. The underage environment in Dublin is just the perfect breeding ground for getting elite senior players.

Whammo86 (National) - 03/08/2019 13:15:01