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Kerry Vs Tyrone - 4 Like(s)
Replying To The_Fridge: "I see its not on TV. I wonder if Kerry GAA do a live stream? Tyrone GAA did a few games last year, they would make alot of money if they did." All the Dublin games will be shown live and the only Kerry game scheduled to be shown live is their game against Dublin. Not sure for Tyrone. We're all equal officially of course but some are more equal than others. Money talks.
Kingdomson (National) - 22/01/2019 18:51:25
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Admission To League Games Set To Increase - 3 Like(s)
John Horan needs to be more specific about the €500,000 for clubs & overseas units, will that be for juvenile as well as adult clubs, hurling & football ? Or vested clubs in the GAA only ? Will LGFA & Camogie units be included ? will a specific sum be given to all directly into their accounts or is it sent to County Boards only for distribution ? Will overseas units in every continent benefit ? I would never believe Croke Park again on money going to clubs, when we voted to open Croke Park years ago we were told the same story, every club would benefit directly financially, in Connacht not one cent went into any club account. Hopefully some journalist with guts will push Croke Park to clarify this.
Uimhir.a.3. (National) - 22/01/2019 17:37:53
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Kerry Vs Tyrone - 3 Like(s)
Replying To Kingdomson: "All the Dublin games will be shown live and the only Kerry game scheduled to be shown live is their game against Dublin. Not sure for Tyrone. We're all equal officially of course but some are more equal than others. Money talks." Yerra surely lads the penny (pardon the pun) has dropped for all of us at this stage.
It's not the GAA anymore its D-GAA :D
TheHermit (National) - 23/01/2019 13:50:53
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Semi's Outside Croke Park?? - 2 Like(s)
I think flexibility should be in whatever thinking the GAA do on this.
Taking Dublin out of the equation for the time being Croke Pk is still a great option for All-Ireland Semi finals, depending on the counties.
Imagine a rejuvenated Meath playing a county like Armagh, Tyrone, Monaghan or Down in a semi final. Croke Park is your only option really.
I agree for some other counties, it'd be no harm to play them in Thurles, Clones, Castlebar etc.
MesAmis (National) - 23/01/2019 16:13:09
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NFL Division 2 - 2 Like(s)
Replying To lilywhite1: "Between injuries and suspension and possible club commitments Kildare will have a weakened team out next weekend against Armagh. Going to be a difficult one to win with Armagh strengthened by the return of three key players.
I didn't realise that sendings off in our last Super 8 game against Kerry applied to the first game of the league and not the championship" Kildare are missing players, thats life for most teams outside the top division. Daniel Flynn is missing for kildare. A serious talent. He has it all, atheleticism and skill. He is kildares best forward since Johnny Doyle. He is kildares best forward. Meath best forward, top scorer for the last two years , Donal Lenihan, who led Dunboyne to senior title, has gone travelling for the year. Padraig Mckeever the best club forward in Meath football for the last three year along with lenihan is also not available, as well as Eamon Wallace ( hes gone travelling). Meaths two best midfielders , Harry Rooney ( not available) and Ronan Jones ( college in USA) are also not available. Thats why McEntee had to bring 9 new players onto the Meath panel for the Byrne cup this spring. But thats life for teams in the country as a whole . There is a player drain. Every team in division will be missing players this spring if it follows recent years patterns.
Throughout division 4 3 and 2, players are leaving panels for different reasons at a rate we have never witnessed before in football in recent years. From Cork to Derry from Wexford to Galway, the number of players leaving panels is unprecedented and very worrying. Players rarely left panels 20 or so years ago. But with the introduction of the qualifiers in the early 00s, we saw players from div 3 and div 4 teams walking away when there team was beaten in the championship and their county undertook the qualifer route. The GAA didnt care. But it set a dangerous precident. For the first time ever many players would leave a panel ( many of them went to US for the summer ) in the championship, in the summer. In the last 5 or 6 years we have seen players leaving panels for many reasons in strong traditional counties .
Counties like Cork Down and Meath are all seen a turnover of their panels that were unimaginable 10 years. Its not just division 2, 3 and 4 teams. Some division 1 teams are also facing the same issue. We are now seen players leaving at a level for different reasons we have never seen before in the game nationwide .
Here are stats below to explain the situation.
1 ESRI published a government report on gaa player welfare last year. They found there was a player drain. Over 30% of inter county players who played in 2016 didnt return to play for their county in 2017.
2 Irish Independent also did a study on GAA panels last year. There findings were simlar to ESRI findings. The Irish Indo found that over 30% of inter county players who played in 2017 did not return for 2018 league.
3 Here are some of the stats from Irish Indo study
Below r the number of players who played in the league and championship in 2017 for their county but did not resurface in 2018 league for different reasons
Derry 19 players
Cork 18 players
Wexford 17 players
Offaly 16 players
Meath 16 players
Wicklow 15 players
Antrim 14 players
London 14 players
louth 14 players
Leitrim 13 players
Westmeath 13 players
Sligo 13 players
longford 12 players
Down 12 players
Roscommon 12 players
limerick 12 players
Kerry 11 players
Laois 11 players
Clare 10 players
Cavan 10 players
Galway 10 players
Armagh 10 players
kildare 9 players
Dublin 6 players
Donegal 6 players
Mayo 6 players
Monaghan 5 players
Tyrone 4 players
4 Of the 1040 players nationwide who saw action in the league or championship in 2017, 366 did not played in 2018 league.
3 counties who have the lowest turnover in div 2 3 and 4 were , Fermanagh Tipp and Carlow who all had 7 non returnees last year. The 3 lowest counties in div 2 3 and 4. Fermanagh , Carlow and Tipp last year they had the lowest non returnees in division 3 where Derry lost 19, Offaly lost 16, Wexford lost 17, Westmeath 13, and longford 12 .
5 The breakdown in terms of players leaving each division was
Division 1 66 players
Division 2 103 players
Divsion 3 107 players
Division 4 94 players
Division 2 and 3 are the divisions with the biggest drop off of players.
6 Other stats
The Wicklow manager recently said in every single of the last 5 seasons in each one of those year's, 15 players left the Wicklow panel and didnt retutn the following year. Wicklow have basically lost 15 players in every single one of the last 5 seasons
7 Kevin Walsh said in his first 18 months as Galway manager 52 players turned down the invitation to join the Galway panel.
8 Connerton Longford manager said also in his first 2 years as manager over 50 player turned down the invitation, declined to attend trials and join the panel.
So there really is some sort of player drain , here are the figures for division two teams last year, players who did not return for the league , Anyone have info on players missing this year. Meath are definately over the ten player missing mark again this year.
Cork 18 players
Meath 16 players
Armagh 10 players
Clare 10 players
kildare 9 players
Donegal 6 players
Fermanagh 7
Tipp 7
Furlong1949 (National) - 23/01/2019 16:25:45
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NFL Division 2 - 2 Like(s)
Replying To royaldunne: "But Kildare didn't even get to semis. Using ur logic they heading for relegation.
Never read anything into games in early January." I'm also using last year's championship as a marker for this year the point I was making whether it's January or not Meath could not beat a Dublin team with 32 of their squad in Miami where we had 8/9 of our 1st team out if you read the dub supporters they reckon 1 or 2 of those lads is the very most that would make it onto the dub squad for the comkng year that to me doesn't bode well but like I said I really hope I'm wrong
runnerin (National) - 22/01/2019 18:55:06
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Admission To League Games Set To Increase - 2 Like(s)
Replying To DonaldDuck: "Garbally College. I'm saying it's traditional based on it's past players and used to be a boarding school. I wouldn't argue that point with you Ormond though, I'm not that up-to-date. Off the top of my head Sligo Grammar would be classed as rugby, The Bish maybe. Not many I can think of that are predominantly rugby schools though. Not like some Leinster, Ulster, Munster schools.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 4865 - 1/22/19 7:16:24 PM Jes is far more than Bish. But all schools in connacht really play all sports. Bish play everything as does Jes. Summerhill sligo doing well in rugby now and is top class in multiple sports
same with marist athlone.
wouldnt say garbally just because it used be boarding," Donald Duck -who are you trying to fool- Sligo have great rugby players!
browncows (National) - 23/01/2019 00:13:19
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Admission To League Games Set To Increase - 2 Like(s)
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "I have no time for them either, when you see them paying millions to unsecured bond holders and they can't give the nurses a raise and better working conditions.
We would have a great little country if the fellas running it were more interested in working for it's people than growing their own bank accounts and making the rich richer." I totally agree, they are grossly incompetent paying unsecured bondholders and all the banks were up to their neck in all sorts of shenaghans putting people out of their homes and giving property to vulture funds for 20% of the true value.
browncows (National) - 23/01/2019 00:19:48
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NFL Division 2 - 2 Like(s)
Replying To royaldunne: "Time will tell. Let's see what happens Sunday." The constant thumbing down of royaldunne's comments on this forum is ridiculous. We know he can be controversial. So what he's entitled to his opinion. But even when he makes innocuous comments it's still the same. The lazy option is to thumb him down rather than engage in debate with him.
He' s a passionate Meath and GAA man. We're all GAA people here on Hoganstand. A bit of virtual sportsmanship wouldn't go astray.
lilywhite1 (National) - 23/01/2019 02:33:42
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Monaghan Vs Dublin - 2 Like(s)
Replying To The_Fridge: "Monaghan arent the best team in Ulster when it comes the performing in big matches. they can win in Ulster but when they get to Croke Park they wilt. Plenty of evidence to back this up, just look at there record against Tyrone in CP.
Hard one to call. probably the best time to get Dublin. if Monaghan hit them hard and build up a lead early it could be Monaghan's day.
Il go for a draw as its in Clones. I believe its on TG4 so should be a good watch." This is not a big match, is not in Croke Park, is not championship and does not involve Tyrone.
Perhaps open alternate thread and mention Tyrone's recent big match "wilts" in Croker, Cork semi 09, Mayo semi 13, Kerry semi 15, Dublin semi 17 and Dublin final 18. Tyrone deservedly beat Monaghan in August by the way.
I'm 50% Tryone blood and I cheered for Dublin for the first All Ireland ever last year. Enought said.
Mon79 (National) - 23/01/2019 11:49:45
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Galway Vs Cavan - 1 Like(s)
Replying To The_DOC: "If Galway have any aspirations at all they should beat Cavan" And vice versa
Breffni39 (National) - 23/01/2019 14:52:46
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Monaghan Vs Dublin - 1 Like(s)
You can rip up my team so with no Kilkenny, McCarthy and Fento.
Lets try again (lets face it, we can guess all we want we wont be right....)
1 Cluxton
2. Fitzsimons
3. McMahon
4. Byrne
5. Lowndes
6. Cooper
7. McCaffrey
8. MDMcA
9. Flynn
10. Scully
11. Con
12. Howard
13. Costello
14. Dean Rock
15. Paul Mannion
waynoI (National) - 23/01/2019 15:32:42
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Semi's Outside Croke Park?? - 1 Like(s)
Replying To tommy132: "I would leave the semi finals in Croke Park, going into other venues your running the risk of people not getting a ticket. They use the Galway vs Dublin game last year as evidence to change venues but between Galway fans having the hurling to go to and bit of belief was gone, id put the lack of crowd down to them reasons..
I would agree with Dublin not getting 2 super 8's games ( if they qualify) in Croke Park, purely out of fairness..think the Dub fans like to get out of Dublin for a while too" Yea this pretty much is bang on.
waynoI (National) - 23/01/2019 15:33:36
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Galway Vs Cavan - 1 Like(s)
Replying To The_Fridge: "I would find that hard to believe. Name them." By my count those 100% unavailable are
Damien Comer
Eamon Brannigan
John Daly
Paul Conroy
Adrian Varley
Bernard Power
Ian Burke
Liam Silke
Dylan Wall
Michael Farragher
Kieran Molloy
Jason Leonard
With injury doubts over
Declan Kyne
Johnny Heaney
Cillian McDaid
Michael Daly
A couple of the bottom group might make the Cavan game if they pass fitness tests.
I didn't even count the three An Spideal lads and Fiontain O'Curraoin. Not sure what their status is currently.
Marooned (National) - 22/01/2019 17:59:46
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Referees Abused Again - 1 Like(s)
Replying To DonaldDuck: "Referees are not just 'abused' at GAA matches. People need to wake up to that and realise that yes - traditionally referees did take a lot of abuse but it has changed a lot and it is not nearly as bad as it used to be. The advent of the mobile phone and the ability to turn it on makes it seem that it is really bad... there have been a few I will admit that but - other sports have also seen quite a few very unsavoury incidents where parents etc have gotten involved with the match officials and yet these do not get the same media coverage.
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1413 - 1/21/19 9:39:24 PMYes it happens in more sports but there seems to be far more regular incidents in hurling/gaelic than other sports of abuse/physically any way" Maybe, I do not know maybe you do but where did you get the reliable stats from. I do know that that there are 50 plus GAA matches for every rugby match played in the country.
browncows (National) - 22/01/2019 18:11:52
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Admission To League Games Set To Increase - 1 Like(s)
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "I think I must have upset a few Leo fans :-)" Well I'm not a Leo fan or a fan of the party he represents so you haven't upset me. Im going to get a record number of red thumbs for this but I don't fully buy this narrative of it being all a case of a booming Dublin /east coast and an economically stagnant/depressed rest of the country. Yes there's a twin track economy and there's unbalanced regional development and more jobs need to be brought to the regions but there's lots of places around the country doing well too. According to the CSO the average national industrial wage for those in full time employment was 46,407 EUR at the end of 2017. When part time employment is included the average comes down to 37,646 EUR . Workers in IT and other hi-tech companies are likely to be earning considerably above the average. There are plenty of those kind of jobs outside The Pale too. The seasonally adjusted unemployment rate in November 2018 was 5.3% . So unless all the complainers here are hard Marxists, I think they need to take a break from playing their violins and admit that most of them can afford to pay an extra fiver to go and support their county teams.
PoolSturgeon (National) - 22/01/2019 18:34:42
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Monaghan Vs Dublin - 1 Like(s)
Dublin team prediction for Sunday
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. Jonny Cooper
3. Philly McMahon
4. Michael Fitzsimons
5. Eric Lowndes
6. John Small
7. Jack McCaffrey
8. James McCarthy
9. MD McAuley
10. Paul Flynn
11. Diarmuid Connolly
12. Niall Scully
13. Con O'Callaghan
14. Dean Rock
15. Paul Mannion
Kilkenny is still away, as far as im aware everyone else is available. The obvious question is Connolly, heart says he wont play again but I predict he will for the craic.
Probably wont be quite as strong as that starting, but id imagine all 15 of those guys will be in the match day panel/
waynoI (National) - 22/01/2019 19:17:06
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Admission To League Games Set To Increase - 1 Like(s)
Garbally College. I'm saying it's traditional based on it's past players and used to be a boarding school. I wouldn't argue that point with you Ormond though, I'm not that up-to-date. Off the top of my head Sligo Grammar would be classed as rugby, The Bish maybe. Not many I can think of that are predominantly rugby schools though. Not like some Leinster, Ulster, Munster schools.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 4865 - 1/22/19 7:16:24 PM Jes is far more than Bish. But all schools in connacht really play all sports. Bish play everything as does Jes. Summerhill sligo doing well in rugby now and is top class in multiple sports
same with marist athlone.
wouldnt say garbally just because it used be boarding,
DonaldDuck (National) - 22/01/2019 19:49:06
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Mayo Vs Roscommon - 1 Like(s)
Replying To OhtobeARossie: "Unbelievable turnover we should be 12-1 against a fired up mayo away with horan back looking to get mayo back to winning trophies after 3 years with none." Not so sure about the fired up. Introduced a lot of new lads in the two FBD games and were extremely lucky to draw both. Haven't seen too many new Lees or Andys out there so it looks like mostly the same old faces for Saturday. Barrett and Cillian out for the forseeable future and haven't seen any sign of Aido, Kev Mc or Paddy Durkan so far. Add in our absymal record in McHale Park and a flying Roscommon, fresh from their hammering of Galway, and it's understandable we are travelling more in hope than in confidence. As for Horan, what's that them insurance lads say about " past performance being no guarantee of future results ". Still I'll go along and wave my little flag, as we're suckers for punishment.
Llaw_Gyffes (National) - 22/01/2019 21:38:50
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Kerry Vs Tyrone - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Kingdomson: "All the Dublin games will be shown live and the only Kerry game scheduled to be shown live is their game against Dublin. Not sure for Tyrone. We're all equal officially of course but some are more equal than others. Money talks." When it comes to expensive TV rights it does alright..
Spend big to win big. It's all about attracting the maximum audience from their investment.
Dublin matches have always done well for the broadcasters so they are in the business of bringing in viewing numbers and selling prime advertising in and around those games (commercial revenue)
It makes sense. It's how it works.
jimbodub (National) - 22/01/2019 21:58:51
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