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Can hurling survive the football onslaught?

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"Next year, there will be five hurling Championship games in July and August, but 19 in football. so hurling will really be under pressure of course some on this site are more interested in dissing rugby rather than hurling

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/hurling-will-be-consigned-to-the-shadows-ger-loughnane-concerned-by-super-eight-ramifications-35486153.html

as explained in other threads the problem gaa has down here compared to rugby is that there are more big musnter games and big club games than gaa, so the kids see more murray earls kilcoyne than neville cian lynch dempsey ,

is a super 8 or maybe better still a super 10 worth a look for hurling - coz next year july and august will be football football football with the majority of us looking in from the outside - i think myself the super 8 is great idea -but am i right to be concerned that hurling could be left behind a bit?

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 03/03/2017 12:02:55    1963126

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Hurling will have to be looked at now in terms of the structures.

There will be top class football games throughout July and August. 12 in the super 8s and then the semi-finals and final. In comparison hurling will only have 2 quarters, 2 semis and the final around the same time. Not sure when the Munster/Leinster Finals will be played with the condensed season.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 03/03/2017 12:34:59    1963144

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Will it survive Yes , will it thrive No , will it grow No
Does HQ give a shi7 No

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 03/03/2017 13:08:51    1963153

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Will it survive Yes , will it thrive No , will it grow No
Does HQ give a shi7 No"
Yep thats pretty much it in a nutshell.

Might as well call it the GAFA at this stage to be honest.

Ive nothing against football, i enjoy football and go to both our hurling and football games but the scant disregard shown for hurling by the suits in GAA is up there with their scant disregard for the players.

"Its all bout the money, money, money"

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1337 - 03/03/2017 14:05:28    1963172

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See Dick Clerkins tweet during the week, telling the "arrogant holier than thou Hurling brigade to stop their whinging" !!!!

A boy Dick!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 03/03/2017 14:13:26    1963174

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It is one of histories ironies that a game like hurling, which is most associated with our history and culture, often plays second fiddle to a game invented in 1885 by Davin and Cusack.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 03/03/2017 14:15:04    1963177

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Hurling is our national sport - not that mickey mouse football. It is treated disgracefully by the GAA.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 03/03/2017 14:39:14    1963189

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Hurling's problem isn't football. It is hurling. The game has, at intercounty level, descended into a farce. The skills that made the game great (pulling on the ground and over head, the clash of the ash at the start, blocking) have been replaced with constant rucks, arm-pulling, uncontested puck-out strategies, basketball rate scoring etc). This is of course evolution. Football has evolved tactically too. To me, football is now the better spectacle. I don't like super 8 but would rather watch more football than hurling. I think the current intercounty championship in hurling should have less games. A personal opinion of course. I won't attend or go to any more games anyway. I still love club hurling in Cork (regardless of our standard) and I get my fix there.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 03/03/2017 14:53:11    1963192

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I'm a football man, only ever played it. Have watched next to no hurling live in my life.

Even I appreciate it's the better sport and it is a shame the lack of regard the powers that be give it.

The hurling championship needs a proper revamp and it's probably 30 years overdue.

There's great potential in hurling to get good crowds out to a proper hurling league that is the All Ireland championship.

It would have made the integration of Antrim and Galway hurling all the easier. Who knows that may have helped the spread of the game into the rest of Ulster and Connacht.

Instead the pissed around and tinkered at the seams so that now there's a bloody Frankenstein's monster of a Leinster championship which could have teams from every province and London playing in it.

Hurling has way more potential to be promoted outside Ireland than football. It won't be with the current system in place.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 03/03/2017 15:01:51    1963196

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "Hurling is our national sport - not that mickey mouse football. It is treated disgracefully by the GAA."
ah comn now bad monkey football is a great game too - no need to give it stick ---

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 03/03/2017 15:09:20    1963203

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What qualifies Hurling over football to be our "national game"?

The figures playing/attending the respective games do not atall back this up.
In fact nothing actually backs this up except for Marty and Liam Griffin ramming down our throats every first Sunday in September
People say its been played for hundreds of years etc etc....as it has. In totally different guises!
As has football. The stories of two different parishes meeting up at a half way point and basically kicking a "football" of sorts are just as ancient and storied.

I am not anti hurling, far from it. I love a good game of hurling.
I do however, hate the attitude of "hurling people" towards football and this snobbish down their nose BS they go on with when it comes to the game of Gaelic Football.

They have nothing to back it up (especially in recent years) other than their own OTT inflated egos and opinions of themselves.

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 03/03/2017 15:14:18    1963206

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "Hurling is our national sport - not that mickey mouse football. It is treated disgracefully by the GAA."
comments like that certainly doesn't help hurling

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 03/03/2017 16:15:16    1963225

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Our National Game
A pointless title , empty chalice
Who actually gives a fuc7 , when your sitting in HQ for either game tomorrow or both how far from your mind is that title ,
Feel free to argue over it

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 03/03/2017 16:17:30    1963228

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They could put on 500 football matches a year and I'd still rather watch a Junior B hurling match!
I watch about 3 football matches a year,semi finals and final. Beyond that, I have little or no interest.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 03/03/2017 16:26:15    1963234

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Please dont turn this thread into another which is better?...hurling or football. Hurling of course..kidding.

I have heard some rather interesting comments during the week from GAA heads, saying things like ' if hurling people think there is need for change then come to the table with suggestions'. This reference to hurling people is a bit condescending IMO. Its seems as if the GAA now stands for everything that can possibly be done to make Football (a few counties) centre stage and then refer to hurling people as if they are some type of subclass to the superclass that is football. There wont be time in the middle of July and August for a super 8 in hurling. It will add even more pressure and chaos to the fixture list. So summing up, the GAA heads did not consider for a second what impact the super 8 would have on hurling and have little appetite for having something similar for hurling. The whole thing is a farce ran by dicks n clerks' and the likes.

ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 03/03/2017 16:34:20    1963235

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Zulu the contradictions and hypocrisy in your post are gas

The sheer use of the phrase "hurling people" does exactly what u claim to rail against ffs!!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 03/03/2017 16:54:06    1963241

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Im a GAA person Liam. Not one of the 'hurling people' as you referred to earlier. I come from a dual county that loves both codes.

ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 03/03/2017 17:09:44    1963246

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "Zulu the contradictions and hypocrisy in your post are gas

The sheer use of the phrase "hurling people" does exactly what u claim to rail against ffs!!"
Ah in fairness, I think ZULU was referencing the quote in the article listed by the OP: "If the hurling community wish to look at their championship, we'll be happy to do that". Thats a worrying quote from someone who is supposed to be responsible for the health of both football and hurling. I think people are decrying GAA officials rerring to "hurling people", not encouraging it.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 03/03/2017 18:08:40    1963260

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Love football , love hurling , can't stand those that claim the same just before launching a tirade on one of the codes , there are people who have a code inferiority complex , there easy to spot they will tell you how much they like a code before tearing it to pieces , up the real dualers

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 03/03/2017 18:09:58    1963261

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Replying To janesboro:  ""Next year, there will be five hurling Championship games in July and August, but 19 in football. so hurling will really be under pressure of course some on this site are more interested in dissing rugby rather than hurling

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/hurling-will-be-consigned-to-the-shadows-ger-loughnane-concerned-by-super-eight-ramifications-35486153.html

as explained in other threads the problem gaa has down here compared to rugby is that there are more big musnter games and big club games than gaa, so the kids see more murray earls kilcoyne than neville cian lynch dempsey ,

is a super 8 or maybe better still a super 10 worth a look for hurling - coz next year july and august will be football football football with the majority of us looking in from the outside - i think myself the super 8 is great idea -but am i right to be concerned that hurling could be left behind a bit?"
As a hurling man who has only a casual interest in Gaelic football, I understand your concern and empathise with it. But in the long term (and viewing things from a Galway hurling point of view in particular) I see the positives. Yes hurling will be confined to the shadows for a couple of years and will struggle for air amid all this Gaelic football saturation. But it will force the GAA into making much needed changes to the hurling championship. In order for hurling to retain a space in the limelight it will be necessary to devise a championship structure in which more top class hurling games are played. As far as I can see, the only way of doing that is to separate the provincial championships from the All Ireland championship -- run them as two separate competitions. This will require the development of a Champions League style structure (you could have something like 4 groups of 3 with the top team in each qualifying for the semi final and the bottom teams taking part in a relegation play off.) Something along those lines would be warmly welcomed in Galway and we would be too concerned then regarding our position within Leinster! It is probably inevitable that something along those lines will need to be developed.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 03/03/2017 18:46:17    1963267

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