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Under this proposal the leading counties in Gaelic football are going to move further away than ever, the Dublin, Mayo, Kerry etc are going to get greater spotlight, sponsorship (both team and personal) and the huge chasm that exists between your Dublins and your Longfords is only going to get wider and wider to a certain point...
And that point is where most GAA counties withdraw their county teams due to lack of interest. Its already beginning in many counties and has been touched on by the manager of Wicklow. At what point do players stop bothering to line out with their counties and just focus on enjoying the game with their clubs? I can see it happening in Meath already and they are supposed to be a traditionally strong county. Even look at the attendance v Down. It was embarassing watching two traditional counties in front of such a sparse crowd. Players will soon stop training like professionals in mentally tough and draining setups as they will wonder what the point is in training hard only to get humiliated in Croke Park by the GAA's chosen golden boys.
You can talk about having a B and C championship but I don't think players will have much of an interest in that either. The only solution was to find a way of narrowing the gap between the haves and have nots. Instead, the GAA, now run by corporate accountants and not actual GAA people, have actually made things way worse and are trying to cash in on their "product". Get the Dubs and Kerry more often in Croke Park and get more money in from the likes of Sky etc.
I actually wouldn't be adverse myself to Meath not fielding a county team for the foreseeable future so that we can go back to enjoying football and having a highly club championship of a decent standard. Meath spend less than 400k on their senior teams, not much by the standard of the leading counties but I'd much rather see that pumped into coaching and club football than being wasted trying to compete with the GAA's annointed ones.
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waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 27/02/2017 13:11:11
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Its not the end of intercounty football, but what's I the start of?
Even the name "super 8s" real sky sports feel to it. Will sky wrap it up as a pay per view?
Anyway, this is the start of elitism because the super 8 will almost continuously consist of Dublin Kerry Mayo Tyrone Cork Donegal and 2 from Galway Roscommon Monaghan Kildare and maybe Meath Derry and Armagh. Absolutely no benefit to Wicklow Carlow Waterford Leitrim Antrim etc. So what the point of it if not for money because its benefiting nobody.
2nd point id make is why if over 70% of players didn't want it why were they not consulted and listened to? What does that say about the people running the GAA?
3rd point. Was hurling given any consideration here at all? Oh well just throw in a load of extra football games, in fact well have 19 fixtures in football in July and August and well have 5 hurling games, that's fair isn't it. Why is Mr Duffy so concerned with football but not hurling? Surely its money again and he sees football and the super8s in particular as his cash cow?
lastly, the clubs. They are getting back the month of September, brilliant. So if Dublin, for example, reach the all Ireland final again, there'll be no hurling or football championship games until September and then they'll be all crammed in over 3 or 4 weeks culminating in an under the light on a Friday night final. How many games will club players get of worth when the super 8s running through the months of July and August? CPA wouldn't even be recognised by the GAA officials. Lovely touch there.
Maybe the GAA is killing itself, or at least killing part of itself.
Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 27/02/2017 13:28:27
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The Simple Solution
* 3 divisions. Top 4 going into semi-final -> final. Winners of Division 1 are All-Ireland Champions
* Run provincial championships in parallel with the league.
Defined season for everyone, and clubs can plan accordingly
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 27/02/2017 13:41:06
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Replying To Ban: "The Simple Solution
* 3 divisions. Top 4 going into semi-final -> final. Winners of Division 1 are All-Ireland Champions
* Run provincial championships in parallel with the league.
Defined season for everyone, and clubs can plan accordingly" Provincial championships won't draw flies if they are irrelevant to the qualifying for the All Ireland series though. I'd have the provincial winners automatically into the All Ireland quarter finals with the remaining 4 places determined by league positions. Do away with the backdoor. As you say then run the league in parallel with the provincial championships. Every competition has meaning then and there would be no more "yera tis only the league"
dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 337 - 27/02/2017 14:24:52
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In a funny way it could end up being the making of the GAA as it finally reveals the huge disconnect between the suits that run the GAA and the players that make it what it is.
Its a huge chasm that may might finally rise to a revolution in the association to bring it back to what the GAA is all about. Somewhere along the way thats been completely lost.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1337 - 27/02/2017 14:48:39
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Replying To Crinigan: "Under this proposal the leading counties in Gaelic football are going to move further away than ever, the Dublin, Mayo, Kerry etc are going to get greater spotlight, sponsorship (both team and personal) and the huge chasm that exists between your Dublins and your Longfords is only going to get wider and wider to a certain point...
And that point is where most GAA counties withdraw their county teams due to lack of interest. Its already beginning in many counties and has been touched on by the manager of Wicklow. At what point do players stop bothering to line out with their counties and just focus on enjoying the game with their clubs? I can see it happening in Meath already and they are supposed to be a traditionally strong county. Even look at the attendance v Down. It was embarassing watching two traditional counties in front of such a sparse crowd. Players will soon stop training like professionals in mentally tough and draining setups as they will wonder what the point is in training hard only to get humiliated in Croke Park by the GAA's chosen golden boys.
You can talk about having a B and C championship but I don't think players will have much of an interest in that either. The only solution was to find a way of narrowing the gap between the haves and have nots. Instead, the GAA, now run by corporate accountants and not actual GAA people, have actually made things way worse and are trying to cash in on their "product". Get the Dubs and Kerry more often in Croke Park and get more money in from the likes of Sky etc.
I actually wouldn't be adverse myself to Meath not fielding a county team for the foreseeable future so that we can go back to enjoying football and having a highly club championship of a decent standard. Meath spend less than 400k on their senior teams, not much by the standard of the leading counties but I'd much rather see that pumped into coaching and club football than being wasted trying to compete with the GAA's annointed ones." wasted? we don't spend enough..
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Replying To dahayeser: "Provincial championships won't draw flies if they are irrelevant to the qualifying for the All Ireland series though. I'd have the provincial winners automatically into the All Ireland quarter finals with the remaining 4 places determined by league positions. Do away with the backdoor. As you say then run the league in parallel with the provincial championships. Every competition has meaning then and there would be no more "yera tis only the league"" I understand what your saying but in most other team sports your have a couple of competitions running in parallel, the FA Cup and Premier League being an example - they even have the League Cup in there also.
So, with the history of these championships already established and an opportunity to win a trophy, its a competition which is likely to be taken seriously. You could even have the 4 provincial winners meet in old style All-Ireland - the winners being the Cup Champions.
If the solution is not simple, it wont last the test of time.
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 27/02/2017 17:42:45
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Replying To Ban: "I understand what your saying but in most other team sports your have a couple of competitions running in parallel, the FA Cup and Premier League being an example - they even have the League Cup in there also.
So, with the history of these championships already established and an opportunity to win a trophy, its a competition which is likely to be taken seriously. You could even have the 4 provincial winners meet in old style All-Ireland - the winners being the Cup Champions.
If the solution is not simple, it wont last the test of time." Completely agree.
2 very simple competitions.
You have a team knocked out early in the Province battling to win the league.
You have Kerry and Dublin not being tested in their province playing competitive games in the summer.
With better weather you'll get better crowds.
If the league were getting popular you could go to 3 divisions and add more league games.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 27/02/2017 19:53:17
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Replying To ziggy32001: "wasted? we don't spend enough.." Totally agree. And I wonder what matches cryingin is watching in Meath club games, the senior winners is the one every other county champion wants to get as they are utter crap. Triple the amount of money in Meath county teams. He also neglects to say that money is what is destroying the club game in Meath, having way too many senior clubs and can get beat 3 times and still win it out. This non competition in Meath senior club football has had a very negative effect on county team. Meath clubs need to sort themselves out first before anything else. Rant over!!
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 27/02/2017 20:34:01
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23 Counties have made the quater final stage of the all Ireland in the 15 years of the qualifiers so I doubt it.
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Replying To TheUsername: "23 Counties have made the quater final stage of the all Ireland in the 15 years of the qualifiers so I doubt it." What's the best aspect of the NFL div 1? The best teams playing each other. The super8's is replicating this which can only be a good thing.
I'm not saying I am in favour of the super 8's but I think it will be interesting.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 27/02/2017 22:32:32
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Replying To The_Fridge: "What's the best aspect of the NFL div 1? The best teams playing each other. The super8's is replicating this which can only be a good thing.
I'm not saying I am in favour of the super 8's but I think it will be interesting." I think the time will come when we will look back at just how awful the championship was before the super 8. I actually think this is going to invigorate the GAA in a national way.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 27/02/2017 22:40:31
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Great post Brian Mac ,
For me super 8 is self serving those who know they will be involved the likes of my own County , Tyrone and others will lick their lips , they will show scant regard to the rest , feck all respect to club players and club championship,hurling sure what's that ? Get loughnane gave an interesting statistic as to how many games will be played over peak period , god help any fan that's a dual fan
Their are many who long for the a sky hype championship needing something to keep them going during those boring summer months
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Replying To TheUsername: "I think the time will come when we will look back at just how awful the championship was before the super 8. I actually think this is going to invigorate the GAA in a national way." It does nothing for the so called weaker counties......not one benefit for them......no-one is addressing their issues just looking to improve on the latter stages of championship which didn't look broken in the first place
Darragh (Westmeath) - Posts: 301 - 28/02/2017 09:11:52
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Replying To royaldunne: "Totally agree. And I wonder what matches cryingin is watching in Meath club games, the senior winners is the one every other county champion wants to get as they are utter crap. Triple the amount of money in Meath county teams. He also neglects to say that money is what is destroying the club game in Meath, having way too many senior clubs and can get beat 3 times and still win it out. This non competition in Meath senior club football has had a very negative effect on county team. Meath clubs need to sort themselves out first before anything else. Rant over!!" "And I wonder what matches cryingin is watching in Meath club games, the senior winners is the one every other county champion wants to get as they are utter crap. Triple the amount of money in Meath county teams."
Utter nonsense. So because the Meath club scene isn't producing competitive enough teams at club level, we should triple the money we spend on the county team??? So forget about hiring coaches, bettering facilities for club teams and schools, improving the club infrastructure in Meath and then down the line having hopefully a club scene that is of a high standard again and by extension a competitive team....lets spend over a million into the black hole of the county team. Sure we might only be hockeyed by 14 points to Dublin rather than 16?
Then again you are the one embaressing the rest of the meath fans on this forum talking about how great Meath are and how we are going to win Leinster...yet you freely admit our club champions are always "utter crap". The definition of a bar stool man.
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1318 - 28/02/2017 09:39:10
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If the super 8, generates more revenue i think the bulk of it should be used for development funding for counties that play two championship games. Though i would be open to that, you have to be very careful not to incentive failure. I get the weaker county argument and know the reasons are multi layered their should be a tier of support in recognition but it is a fine balance as per my previous point. Sport is competitive at the end of the day. But who are these weaker counties 23 counties have been represented in the quarterfinals since they were introduced, its hardly an exclusive club, its hyperbole to suggest otherwise, when you take London, New York and teams that dont field football sides out of the equation almost the whole country have been represented. I dont think playing in super 8 is particularly advantageous to the counties playing in it, just increases workload.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 28/02/2017 10:09:48
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Interesting that literally every county has players coming out against this , yet many on here are turning a deaf ear , I don't know if it' will prove to be a good or a bad thing but I do know that stakeholders like CPA and GPA ( one day) should be listened to
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 28/02/2017 13:49:27
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Replying To TheUsername: "If the super 8, generates more revenue i think the bulk of it should be used for development funding for counties that play two championship games. Though i would be open to that, you have to be very careful not to incentive failure. I get the weaker county argument and know the reasons are multi layered their should be a tier of support in recognition but it is a fine balance as per my previous point. Sport is competitive at the end of the day. But who are these weaker counties 23 counties have been represented in the quarterfinals since they were introduced, its hardly an exclusive club, its hyperbole to suggest otherwise, when you take London, New York and teams that dont field football sides out of the equation almost the whole country have been represented. I dont think playing in super 8 is particularly advantageous to the counties playing in it, just increases workload." The 23 counties bit has been bandied about a lot but fails to mention how many of these have made it once, twice etc.......still glosses over the fact that Super 8s is trying to fix a problem that isn't there right now and yet again no plan for so called weaker counties who may or may not make the super 8s once every decade. Not expecting you (no disrespect) to understand the opinion of people from these counties who continually are ignored
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Replying To Ban: "I understand what your saying but in most other team sports your have a couple of competitions running in parallel, the FA Cup and Premier League being an example - they even have the League Cup in there also.
So, with the history of these championships already established and an opportunity to win a trophy, its a competition which is likely to be taken seriously. You could even have the 4 provincial winners meet in old style All-Ireland - the winners being the Cup Champions.
If the solution is not simple, it wont last the test of time." I like it. Your original proposal. Keep the provinicals and old style championship as the secondary competition.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 28/02/2017 18:25:44
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