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Since there is a lot of talk about scraping the national anthem's before every match and not flying the tri-colour at every GAA match, I am running a poll to see how many people want to keep them or scrap them. Just put down Keep or Scrap. I will kick it off:
National Anthem: Keep
Flying the Tri-colour: Keep
OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 02/12/2016 10:42:46
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Replying To OLLIE: "Since there is a lot of talk about scraping the national anthem's before every match and not flying the tri-colour at every GAA match, I am running a poll to see how many people want to keep them or scrap them. Just put down Keep or Scrap. I will kick it off:
National Anthem: Keep
Flying the Tri-colour: Keep" National Anthem: Keep
Flying the Tri-colour: Keep
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9115 - 02/12/2016 11:06:27
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National Anthem: Keep
Flying the Tri-colour: Keep
McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 447 - 02/12/2016 11:27:22
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Keep both
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 02/12/2016 11:29:40
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Keep flying flag at all games
Don't play anthem at every game. Keep it for finals only
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 02/12/2016 11:58:22
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Keep National Anthem for finals only
Keep Flag
Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 992 - 02/12/2016 11:59:46
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Keep both
(but I don't think this forum, by its very nature, will give a true reflection of both sides of the argument)
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 02/12/2016 12:00:22
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Keep both.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 02/12/2016 12:10:29
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Keep flag
Scrap anthem before EVERY game.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 02/12/2016 12:12:49
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Keep: Anthem for finals
Keep Flag
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 02/12/2016 12:31:36
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Keep both.
OGarmaile (Tyrone) - Posts: 248 - 02/12/2016 12:42:09
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Keep both.
OGarmaile (Tyrone) - Posts: 248 - 02/12/2016 12:42:10
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A hypothetical situation which is hard to answer.
We are trying to predict a number of factors that we have no idea about - if in the context that I believe the comments refer to i.e. a Unified Ireland then we have to accept that there would be changes - it cannot be a repeat of when the Country was divided that the minority community are treated unequal. What I mean is that fast forward to the day that the country is unified - by that stage there will have been discussions, agreements etc put in place between the different communities etc and no doubt the flag and anthem will have been things that will have been debated and resolved. In that situation we could be looking at a new flag and anthem anyway which would make the whole point about flying the flag and playing the anthem a moot one as I presume that the comment is made on the assumption that it would be a United Ireland with the Tri-colour and Amhrán na bhFiann still in place but I don't think that would be the case. Not saying that I don't think it could or should be the case but realistically I think it wouldn't be if that day came.
And to further add - personally if it meant that not flying the flag/playing the Anthem at GAA matches was a trade off required for there to be a truly peaceful United Ireland then I have no shame in saying that it is a trade off I would be willing to make. As I passed through my teens and in to my early 20's and then on in to 30s and beyond you begin to realise that your identity is YOUR identity. No one can tell you you are not Irish or not whatever. And while the Tri-colour and Anthem are symbols of that Identity, they are not crucial to defining it. And if my friends, neighbours etc of the other persuasion felt more comfortable in an Ireland that had a new flag and anthem, and playing GAA under that flag and anthem - if that is what it takes to get to that day then give me a pen and give me some cloth and a needle and thread.
Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 02/12/2016 13:18:50
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Keep both until such time as it actually becomes an issue.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 02/12/2016 13:28:21
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Replying To Offside_Rule: "A hypothetical situation which is hard to answer.
We are trying to predict a number of factors that we have no idea about - if in the context that I believe the comments refer to i.e. a Unified Ireland then we have to accept that there would be changes - it cannot be a repeat of when the Country was divided that the minority community are treated unequal. What I mean is that fast forward to the day that the country is unified - by that stage there will have been discussions, agreements etc put in place between the different communities etc and no doubt the flag and anthem will have been things that will have been debated and resolved. In that situation we could be looking at a new flag and anthem anyway which would make the whole point about flying the flag and playing the anthem a moot one as I presume that the comment is made on the assumption that it would be a United Ireland with the Tri-colour and Amhrán na bhFiann still in place but I don't think that would be the case. Not saying that I don't think it could or should be the case but realistically I think it wouldn't be if that day came.
And to further add - personally if it meant that not flying the flag/playing the Anthem at GAA matches was a trade off required for there to be a truly peaceful United Ireland then I have no shame in saying that it is a trade off I would be willing to make. As I passed through my teens and in to my early 20's and then on in to 30s and beyond you begin to realise that your identity is YOUR identity. No one can tell you you are not Irish or not whatever. And while the Tri-colour and Anthem are symbols of that Identity, they are not crucial to defining it. And if my friends, neighbours etc of the other persuasion felt more comfortable in an Ireland that had a new flag and anthem, and playing GAA under that flag and anthem - if that is what it takes to get to that day then give me a pen and give me some cloth and a needle and thread." I'd be as happy to make the trade-off as you, and I am sure many more would also.
BUT - would the tri-colour not be the perfect representation of a United Ireland? Forget about the Paisley hate-mongering, forget about the terrorists who claim that the tri-colour justifies their actions. At the end of the day, it is a peaceful symbol of unity between two communities and maturity on both sides would see it as both. Anyone who has any issue with that is simply looking for an issue that isn't there.
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Replying To Offside_Rule: "A hypothetical situation which is hard to answer.
We are trying to predict a number of factors that we have no idea about - if in the context that I believe the comments refer to i.e. a Unified Ireland then we have to accept that there would be changes - it cannot be a repeat of when the Country was divided that the minority community are treated unequal. What I mean is that fast forward to the day that the country is unified - by that stage there will have been discussions, agreements etc put in place between the different communities etc and no doubt the flag and anthem will have been things that will have been debated and resolved. In that situation we could be looking at a new flag and anthem anyway which would make the whole point about flying the flag and playing the anthem a moot one as I presume that the comment is made on the assumption that it would be a United Ireland with the Tri-colour and Amhrán na bhFiann still in place but I don't think that would be the case. Not saying that I don't think it could or should be the case but realistically I think it wouldn't be if that day came.
And to further add - personally if it meant that not flying the flag/playing the Anthem at GAA matches was a trade off required for there to be a truly peaceful United Ireland then I have no shame in saying that it is a trade off I would be willing to make. As I passed through my teens and in to my early 20's and then on in to 30s and beyond you begin to realise that your identity is YOUR identity. No one can tell you you are not Irish or not whatever. And while the Tri-colour and Anthem are symbols of that Identity, they are not crucial to defining it. And if my friends, neighbours etc of the other persuasion felt more comfortable in an Ireland that had a new flag and anthem, and playing GAA under that flag and anthem - if that is what it takes to get to that day then give me a pen and give me some cloth and a needle and thread." The most sensible contribution made on the topic over the last few days.
So a new agreed Ireland aside then and with things continuing as is currently, keep the flag and play the anthem as they do now, well in antrim anyway, before every club championship.
Speaking as someone who never got close to playing at county level I took immense pride at standing to the national anthem, grainy or not, once or twice a year, of course dependant on how successful your club were. That was my all Ireland if you will, the whole build up to championship matches just wouldn't have been the same but then again im not as enlightened as some of our non-stone age crew
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 02/12/2016 13:56:37
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Replying To cavanman47: "I'd be as happy to make the trade-off as you, and I am sure many more would also.
BUT - would the tri-colour not be the perfect representation of a United Ireland? Forget about the Paisley hate-mongering, forget about the terrorists who claim that the tri-colour justifies their actions. At the end of the day, it is a peaceful symbol of unity between two communities and maturity on both sides would see it as both. Anyone who has any issue with that is simply looking for an issue that isn't there." The problem though cavanman is that it is ingrained in to the mindset of the Unionist that Tri-Colour = Republican, IRA etc etc. In the same way that the Irish language = Republican, IRA etc. Now, you know and I know the significance of the Green, White and Orange in the flag and its intentions to unite the people. However, the reality is that facts and fiction become muddled over time and whether we like it or not there are people who will never accept the Irish Flag nor be prepared to move on that stance. Do you then also dig the heels in say well that's what's on offer so like it or lump it? To go down that route will never lead to a peaceful United Ireland - maybe there will never be a truly peaceful United Ireland but one thing I could say is that forcing people to do things that is against their beliefs is not the footings to lay down if you want to even try to get there.
Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 02/12/2016 14:05:33
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Keep both for All-Ireland finals.
GAA are endeavouring to develop the game throughout the world and encouraging youngsters of all nationalities to take up the games. The flag and anthem are not relevant in such situations. However, I would keep both for All-Ireland finals.
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 02/12/2016 14:25:51
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Replying To Offside_Rule: "The problem though cavanman is that it is ingrained in to the mindset of the Unionist that Tri-Colour = Republican, IRA etc etc. In the same way that the Irish language = Republican, IRA etc. Now, you know and I know the significance of the Green, White and Orange in the flag and its intentions to unite the people. However, the reality is that facts and fiction become muddled over time and whether we like it or not there are people who will never accept the Irish Flag nor be prepared to move on that stance. Do you then also dig the heels in say well that's what's on offer so like it or lump it? To go down that route will never lead to a peaceful United Ireland - maybe there will never be a truly peaceful United Ireland but one thing I could say is that forcing people to do things that is against their beliefs is not the footings to lay down if you want to even try to get there." Oh you're 100% correct - you shouldn't be but you are, the irony being that the tri-colour actually replaced the "Irish Republic" flag that Pearse and co fought under. In theory, it represents Unionists just as much as Republicans.
In any case, I'd be more than happy to drop it if it means a united Ireland - replace it with the older green flag with a gold harp perhaps?
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 02/12/2016 14:28:56
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hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 02/12/2016 23:38:41
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