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Let's Incentivise RTÉ/Sky to promote GAA.

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OK. So apart from some brilliant club games on TG4 which unfortunately I can't watch in the UK it's a slow time of year.

I came across something recently- at one point in the States local NBC affiliate networks could only broadcast NFL matches if they sold out 72 hours before kick off.

So... Obviously that's unworkable in 2016. But how about offering a partial refund to broadcasters if the attendance figures for their televised games is over a certain per cent? Excluding All Ireland finals and Dublin matches. The idea being it might encourage them to plough more in to raising the profile of the matches.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 22/11/2016 19:23:03    1936076

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OK. So apart from some brilliant club games on TG4 which unfortunately I can't watch in the UK it's a slow time of year.
I came across something recently- at one point in the States local NBC affiliate networks could only broadcast NFL matches if they sold out 72 hours before kick off.
So... Obviously that's unworkable in 2016. But how about offering a partial refund to broadcasters if the attendance figures for their televised games is over a certain per cent? Excluding All Ireland finals and Dublin matches. The idea being it might encourage them to plough more in to raising the profile of the matches.
roundball (Tipperary) - Posts:2455 - 22/11/2016 19:23:03
Why cant you watch them in the UK.
Offering a refund to broadcasters is simply unworkable. The GAA wouldn't ever go for such a proposal as there isn't a reason for them to
This wouldn't raise profile of games

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/11/2016 11:14:03    1936187

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Replying To roundball:  "OK. So apart from some brilliant club games on TG4 which unfortunately I can't watch in the UK it's a slow time of year.

I came across something recently- at one point in the States local NBC affiliate networks could only broadcast NFL matches if they sold out 72 hours before kick off.

So... Obviously that's unworkable in 2016. But how about offering a partial refund to broadcasters if the attendance figures for their televised games is over a certain per cent? Excluding All Ireland finals and Dublin matches. The idea being it might encourage them to plough more in to raising the profile of the matches."
If it could work it's a good plan. Good thinking.

The GAA themselves need to promote matches better too. If RTE were broadcasting August Bank Holiday quarter finals, the day the Dubs aren't playing there's usually less than 50,000. Between RTE and GAA extra promotions they could increase the crowd to 60,000, maybe attracting some neutrals. GAA have 10,000 extra tickets sold and they give RTE back the profit on 5,000 tickets.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 23/11/2016 12:01:07    1936205

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Why can't RTÉ and TG4 be available in the UK?
Is that an RTE decision or a government decision?

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 23/11/2016 12:13:07    1936211

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "OK. So apart from some brilliant club games on TG4 which unfortunately I can't watch in the UK it's a slow time of year.
I came across something recently- at one point in the States local NBC affiliate networks could only broadcast NFL matches if they sold out 72 hours before kick off.
So... Obviously that's unworkable in 2016. But how about offering a partial refund to broadcasters if the attendance figures for their televised games is over a certain per cent? Excluding All Ireland finals and Dublin matches. The idea being it might encourage them to plough more in to raising the profile of the matches.
roundball (Tipperary) - Posts:2455 - 22/11/2016 19:23:03
Why cant you watch them in the UK.
Offering a refund to broadcasters is simply unworkable. The GAA wouldn't ever go for such a proposal as there isn't a reason for them to
This wouldn't raise profile of games"
Any reasoning you'd like to offer for those statements ormond?

As far as I know it's a rights issue. Don't think TG4 can broadcast matches in GB, Premier Sports show some League games.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 23/11/2016 12:48:42    1936218

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "If it could work it's a good plan. Good thinking.

The GAA themselves need to promote matches better too. If RTE were broadcasting August Bank Holiday quarter finals, the day the Dubs aren't playing there's usually less than 50,000. Between RTE and GAA extra promotions they could increase the crowd to 60,000, maybe attracting some neutrals. GAA have 10,000 extra tickets sold and they give RTE back the profit on 5,000 tickets."
Those games are particularly good examples. Poorly attended and poor media coverage for matches that usually involve in form teams with no rugby or football on the same weekend. Should be a major weekend to showcase our games and get a big crowd in Croker.

Sky don't EVER advertise GAA matches. The quarter finals should be a good chance to convert the uninitiated. Supposedly we sold out to Murdoch to spread the message abroad- hasn't happened.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 23/11/2016 12:53:53    1936220

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Any reasoning you'd like to offer for those statements ormond?
As far as I know it's a rights issue. Don't think TG4 can broadcast matches in GB, Premier Sports show some League games.
roundball (Tipperary) - Posts:2457 - 23/11/2016 12:48:42
You can watch online via tg4 player

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/11/2016 13:05:13    1936223

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Replying To roundball:  "Those games are particularly good examples. Poorly attended and poor media coverage for matches that usually involve in form teams with no rugby or football on the same weekend. Should be a major weekend to showcase our games and get a big crowd in Croker.

Sky don't EVER advertise GAA matches. The quarter finals should be a good chance to convert the uninitiated. Supposedly we sold out to Murdoch to spread the message abroad- hasn't happened."
And thousands of tourists around then, peak season for tourists. Many of them packed into from Cliffs to Lakes to Causeway, which are great and worth seeing. But they could also be seeing our amazing games and the craic before, during and after games. Proper Irish culture and not Ireland-in-a-tin model to churn out tourists like customers.

When the SKY deal was signed the GAA claimed it would help grow the game abroad. Would having visitors from abroad go to and appreciate our games not also help to grow the games ? The Yanks aren't shy encouraging us to go to NFL,NBA, MLB and NHL. We could take a lead from them to make a few more quid from our GAA stadia, part-funded by taxpayers money.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 23/11/2016 13:29:41    1936229

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Lol as if Ormo will give reasoning. He just states his opinion as fact and then either ignores or abuses when questioned.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12115 - 23/11/2016 13:36:44    1936233

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Replying To roundball:  "Those games are particularly good examples. Poorly attended and poor media coverage for matches that usually involve in form teams with no rugby or football on the same weekend. Should be a major weekend to showcase our games and get a big crowd in Croker.

Sky don't EVER advertise GAA matches. The quarter finals should be a good chance to convert the uninitiated. Supposedly we sold out to Murdoch to spread the message abroad- hasn't happened."
Re: SKY not advertising GAA.

Monday night i was waiting to watch some NFL and usually before the program starts Sky will show a piece of (for example) Premier League action beforehand with the comment "SKY - Your home of Premier League Football"

Well this time they had a piece of action from the Armagh v Donegal Q/F from 2014 with the comment that Sky was your home of GAA...

Was the first time i had ever seen it and a strange time of the year to do it seeing as they have no GAA currently....

RunOfThePigs (Donegal) - Posts: 131 - 23/11/2016 14:20:24    1936251

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If you can get a irish sky box registered at home, bring box to uk and it will work job done.

Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 703 - 23/11/2016 15:09:40    1936267

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "Any reasoning you'd like to offer for those statements ormond?
As far as I know it's a rights issue. Don't think TG4 can broadcast matches in GB, Premier Sports show some League games.
roundball (Tipperary) - Posts:2457 - 23/11/2016 12:48:42
You can watch online via tg4 player"
Bull. That option is only available on the island of Ireland

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 23/11/2016 15:10:17    1936268

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My point is the whole RTÉ package including TG4 should be available to people in U.K. Be it either freeview or through subscription.
After all every other nationality in U.K. Has access to their own TV channels so why not the Irish abroad?

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 23/11/2016 16:31:13    1936286

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "OK. So apart from some brilliant club games on TG4 which unfortunately I can't watch in the UK it's a slow time of year.
I came across something recently- at one point in the States local NBC affiliate networks could only broadcast NFL matches if they sold out 72 hours before kick off.
So... Obviously that's unworkable in 2016. But how about offering a partial refund to broadcasters if the attendance figures for their televised games is over a certain per cent? Excluding All Ireland finals and Dublin matches. The idea being it might encourage them to plough more in to raising the profile of the matches.
roundball (Tipperary) - Posts:2455 - 22/11/2016 19:23:03
Why cant you watch them in the UK.
Offering a refund to broadcasters is simply unworkable. The GAA wouldn't ever go for such a proposal as there isn't a reason for them to
This wouldn't raise profile of games"
Absolutely. This is one of those silly season threads that should be reserved for April 1st.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 23/11/2016 16:45:44    1936288

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "
Replying To ormondbannerman:  "OK. So apart from some brilliant club games on TG4 which unfortunately I can't watch in the UK it's a slow time of year.
I came across something recently- at one point in the States local NBC affiliate networks could only broadcast NFL matches if they sold out 72 hours before kick off.
So... Obviously that's unworkable in 2016. But how about offering a partial refund to broadcasters if the attendance figures for their televised games is over a certain per cent? Excluding All Ireland finals and Dublin matches. The idea being it might encourage them to plough more in to raising the profile of the matches.
roundball (Tipperary) - Posts:2455 - 22/11/2016 19:23:03
Why cant you watch them in the UK.
Offering a refund to broadcasters is simply unworkable. The GAA wouldn't ever go for such a proposal as there isn't a reason for them to
This wouldn't raise profile of games"
Absolutely. This is one of those silly season threads that should be reserved for April 1st."
Again. If you can't bother trying to construct an argument why bother replying at all?

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 23/11/2016 19:52:02    1936310

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "
Replying To ormondbannerman:  "OK. So apart from some brilliant club games on TG4 which unfortunately I can't watch in the UK it's a slow time of year.
I came across something recently- at one point in the States local NBC affiliate networks could only broadcast NFL matches if they sold out 72 hours before kick off.
So... Obviously that's unworkable in 2016. But how about offering a partial refund to broadcasters if the attendance figures for their televised games is over a certain per cent? Excluding All Ireland finals and Dublin matches. The idea being it might encourage them to plough more in to raising the profile of the matches.
roundball (Tipperary) - Posts:2455 - 22/11/2016 19:23:03
Why cant you watch them in the UK.
Offering a refund to broadcasters is simply unworkable. The GAA wouldn't ever go for such a proposal as there isn't a reason for them to
This wouldn't raise profile of games"
Absolutely. This is one of those silly season threads that should be reserved for April 1st."
Yeah. Sure everything is grand as it is. Like they said they'd never let foreign games in Croke Park, there would never be a backdoor championship they'd never introduce the mark in Gaelic football. Sure why not let other sports change and innovate and take more potential GAA players ?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 23/11/2016 20:19:42    1936314

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "
Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "[quote=ormondbannerman:  "OK. So apart from some brilliant club games on TG4 which unfortunately I can't watch in the UK it's a slow time of year.
I came across something recently- at one point in the States local NBC affiliate networks could only broadcast NFL matches if they sold out 72 hours before kick off.
So... Obviously that's unworkable in 2016. But how about offering a partial refund to broadcasters if the attendance figures for their televised games is over a certain per cent? Excluding All Ireland finals and Dublin matches. The idea being it might encourage them to plough more in to raising the profile of the matches.
roundball (Tipperary) - Posts:2455 - 22/11/2016 19:23:03
Why cant you watch them in the UK.
Offering a refund to broadcasters is simply unworkable. The GAA wouldn't ever go for such a proposal as there isn't a reason for them to
This wouldn't raise profile of games"
Absolutely. This is one of those silly season threads that should be reserved for April 1st."
Yeah. Sure everything is grand as it is. Like they said they'd never let foreign games in Croke Park, there would never be a backdoor championship they'd never introduce the mark in Gaelic football. Sure why not let other sports change and innovate and take more potential GAA players ?"]GreenandRed, you have a shoal of red herrings there. What has the nonsensical subject of this thread got to do with preventing the loss of GAA players to other sports? It is complete nonsense to suggest that TV companies need to be incentivised to promote the sport they are televising. It is in their interests to get as many viewers as possible and they dont need the GAA to be giving them back money to do it. It is November now and April is still 6 months away so I think I've said enough on this subject

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 24/11/2016 00:34:34    1936345

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "My point is the whole RTÉ package including TG4 should be available to people in U.K. Be it either freeview or through subscription.
After all every other nationality in U.K. Has access to their own TV channels so why not the Irish abroad?"
Think it's to do with Northern Ireland. That and something about adverts for Irish companies. And probably because rte won't get your TV licence money

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 24/11/2016 10:30:20    1936380

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Replying To gotmilk:  "
Replying To ormondbannerman:  "Any reasoning you'd like to offer for those statements ormond?
As far as I know it's a rights issue. Don't think TG4 can broadcast matches in GB, Premier Sports show some League games.
roundball (Tipperary) - Posts:2457 - 23/11/2016 12:48:42
You can watch online via tg4 player"
Bull. That option is only available on the island of Ireland"
rte player is two or three days after broadcasting it is available in the UK.

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 24/11/2016 10:33:01    1936382

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Replying To Spoddgy:  "
Replying To gotmilk:  "[quote=ormondbannerman:  "Any reasoning you'd like to offer for those statements ormond?
As far as I know it's a rights issue. Don't think TG4 can broadcast matches in GB, Premier Sports show some League games.
roundball (Tipperary) - Posts:2457 - 23/11/2016 12:48:42
You can watch online via tg4 player"
Bull. That option is only available on the island of Ireland"
rte player is two or three days after broadcasting it is available in the UK."]Tg4 and rte are two different companies

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 24/11/2016 12:05:57    1936406

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