National - Can the GAA survive the Rugby onslaught

Not really a like for like show.
I watched last year were the American footballer went to a mayo club team and played a micky mouse challenge game, where as aidan o shea went to the nfl trials. The rugby boyo went to a Donegal club and played a challenge match again where as Murphy is going to an actual top of the sport club in France for rugby.
if Williams went to train with Donegal and played at least a McKenna cup game you would be on the right track for getting like for like. It's far too lenient on the professional sports guys coming here.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11546 - 18/01/2017 17:51:47
It is the most appropriate you will get. Aidan O Shea went to one of many combines as that's what was allowed. The American Footballer took part in a friendly gaelic game as we can safely assume no club would agree to playing a player who never played the game in anything more and the same with the American footballer playing an inter county game
We don't even know what level of rugby Murphy may play in or if he will only train with Clermont and we don't know yet what level he will train with Clermont when in france

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12588 - 18/01/2017 18:54:42   1946741

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Not really a like for like show.
I watched last year were the American footballer went to a mayo club team and played a micky mouse challenge game, where as aidan o shea went to the nfl trials. The rugby boyo went to a Donegal club and played a challenge match again where as Murphy is going to an actual top of the sport club in France for rugby.
if Williams went to train with Donegal and played at least a McKenna cup game you would be on the right track for getting like for like. It's far too lenient on the professional sports guys coming here."
Fair point that Williams wasn't playing a high standard Hill but Glenswilly are county champions and he impressed many of them there kicking 4 points in a blizzard in a game he never played before. Will look out for it now to see how he actually played, used to love watching him destroying the opposition with his steps and pace.

Them Clermont lads, battered, bruised and dizzy after Michael Murphy, ripped to bits, ran rings around them, then peeled the heads off them in the tackle. They still don't believe him after they drove to training in their fancy cars and asked him how many hundred grand does he get playing ball for club and county. Sure the French bucks just thought it was the sense of humour difference when he told them he was an amateur athlete playing only for the love of the jersey.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts:3196 - 18/01/2017 19:49:17   1946757

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Replying To Bain:  "In years to come when ex pro players are suffering from brain injuries that affect every aspect of their lives, we'll look back at the footage of weekends like the one gone by in horror and day why were them players not taken off for their safety. Seems like all sports need to put player welfare top of the agenda. Rugby can bury its head in the sand about brain injury but it'll end up like the NFL. Huge payouts that can be avoided and lives saved from early deaths."
Even if they don't have long term brain injury those guys won't be able to walk up the stairs in their 50's. Very few have retired from professional rugby to go back to their clubs to play for a couple of seasons where they started out. Almost all intercounty GAA players go back to finish off playing with the club they started with...to 'give something back'.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts:3236 - 18/01/2017 20:54:24   1946767

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Even if they don't have long term brain injury those guys won't be able to walk up the stairs in their 50's. Very few have retired from professional rugby to go back to their clubs to play for a couple of seasons where they started out. Almost all intercounty GAA players go back to finish off playing with the club they started with...to 'give something back'.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts:3232 - 18/01/2017 20:54:24
All depends on their insurance and issues with that,
All inter county GAA players are playing with the club they started with all during their time playing inter county so they simply stop making the county team. Its completely different with pro sport.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12588 - 18/01/2017 21:56:04   1946800

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "Even if they don't have long term brain injury those guys won't be able to walk up the stairs in their 50's. Very few have retired from professional rugby to go back to their clubs to play for a couple of seasons where they started out. Almost all intercounty GAA players go back to finish off playing with the club they started with...to 'give something back'.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts:3232 - 18/01/2017 20:54:24
All depends on their insurance and issues with that,
All inter county GAA players are playing with the club they started with all during their time playing inter county so they simply stop making the county team. Its completely different with pro sport."
There you go again with 'pro sport'. Tsk. Regardless, they all started with their club, would be fitting if they could finish with it too.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts:3236 - 18/01/2017 22:52:35   1946824

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "Even if they don't have long term brain injury those guys won't be able to walk up the stairs in their 50's. Very few have retired from professional rugby to go back to their clubs to play for a couple of seasons where they started out. Almost all intercounty GAA players go back to finish off playing with the club they started with...to 'give something back'.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts:3232 - 18/01/2017 20:54:24
All depends on their insurance and issues with that,
All inter county GAA players are playing with the club they started with all during their time playing inter county so they simply stop making the county team. Its completely different with pro sport."
No it is nothing to do with Pro Sport. Amazing the number of GAA lads who go off to play rugby professionally then when retired go play a few years with their GAA club.

In rugby the clubs mean 0 to the Pro Players as they go into 'the Academy' out of school so have little affiliation with them.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts:1072 - 19/01/2017 09:54:47   1946880

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Replying To keeper7:  "[quote=ormondbannerman:  "Even if they don't have long term brain injury those guys won't be able to walk up the stairs in their 50's. Very few have retired from professional rugby to go back to their clubs to play for a couple of seasons where they started out. Almost all intercounty GAA players go back to finish off playing with the club they started with...to 'give something back'.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts:3232 - 18/01/2017 20:54:24
All depends on their insurance and issues with that,
All inter county GAA players are playing with the club they started with all during their time playing inter county so they simply stop making the county team. Its completely different with pro sport."
There you go again with 'pro sport'. Tsk. Regardless, they all started with their club, would be fitting if they could finish with it too."]Like you said the toll of playing rugby for years at a high level is a big one so even if they wanted to probably wouldn't physically be able.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts:3196 - 19/01/2017 10:25:01   1946890

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Very few have retired from professional rugby to go back to their clubs to play for a couple of seasons where they started out. Almost all intercounty GAA players go back to finish off playing with the club they started with...to 'give something back'.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts:3234 - 18/01/2017 20:54:24   1946767 


how many professional soccer players or cricket players go back to their original clubs or indeed any professional team sport players

Lot of them cant go back playing club rugby because either
1 they retired due to injury or wear and tear and cant no longer play and /or
2 can affect their insurance payouts and also
3 they have careers to catch up on and if they were playing with a 1a or 1b club your looking at training 4 nights a week plus game at weekend

Good few of them do go back playing with their clubs e.g. fionn carr and johne murphy at naas, scott deasy and ivan dineen (ex munster) now back playing club rugby, as did mike prendergast , , marcus horan, paul neville, conan doyle, stephen keogh, tom hayes, paul neville,conan doyle and tim ryan (all ex munster), andreew dunne mark hugh -

even more will go into club coaching e.g the aforementioned prendergast,jackman, horan , mark mchugh, peter coyle, mick galwey, denis leamy, david corkery,john oneill, emmett farrell eric miller james blayney brett wilkinson. ex wales coach mike ruddock is coaching at lansdowne , paul oconnell and ian keatley have done underage coaching at young munster

Find it great when coaching my under 8s at blitzes to find one of the opposition coaches is an ex inter county player!. Alway great when an ex elite level player goes back coaching

was in sixmilebridge last night for clare game, got a dose of the sniffles for me trouble , fine facility , great win limerick last night good performance good crowd for a cold wednesday night

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:985 - 19/01/2017 10:34:36   1946900

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In rugby the clubs mean 0 to the Pro Players as they go into 'the Academy' out of school so have little affiliation with them.
witnof (Dublin) - Posts:1072 - 19/01/2017 09:54:47

disagree -they all started their rugby with a club and will have an attachment to that club - i go to a lot of club rugby (and gaa) very common to see current pro players attending club games to support their club, (often see them at club hurling too) ciaran ruddock, and mick mcgrath are two other ex pros playing club rugby

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:985 - 19/01/2017 10:39:22   1946906

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There you go again with 'pro sport'. Tsk. Regardless, they all started with their club, would be fitting if they could finish with it too.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts:3234 - 18/01/2017 22:52:35
How many pros from other sports continue as an amateur when they finish playing pro?

No it is nothing to do with Pro Sport. Amazing the number of GAA lads who go off to play rugby professionally then when retired go play a few years with their GAA club.
In rugby the clubs mean 0 to the Pro Players as they go into 'the Academy' out of school so have little affiliation with them.
witnof (Dublin) - Posts:1072 - 19/01/2017 09:54:47
The clubs don't at all mean zero to pro players. All players in an academy will be playing regularly with a club while in the academy. All members of the provincial academies in recent years will have been playing AIL rugby while in the academy until they make the pro12 team. Garry Ringrose was playing with UCD before playing with Leinster in pro12, Keith Earls will have played with Thomond, Young Munster. Robbie Henshaw played with Buccaneers. etc etc

Like you said the toll of playing rugby for years at a high level is a big one so even if they wanted to probably wouldn't physically be able.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts:3191 - 19/01/2017 10:25:01
Or if when finished playing professionally in mid 30s they go into coaching or media work and don't want to play

how many professional soccer players or cricket players go back to their original clubs or indeed any professional team sport players
Lot of them cant go back playing club rugby because either
1 they retired due to injury or wear and tear and cant no longer play and /or 2 can affect their insurance payouts and also
3 they have careers to catch up on and if they were playing with a 1a or 1b club your looking at training 4 nights a week plus game at weekend
Good few of them do go back playing with their clubs e.g. fionn carr and johne murphy at naas, scott deasy and ivan dineen (ex munster) now back playing club rugby, as did mike prendergast , , marcus horan, paul neville, conan doyle, stephen keogh, tom hayes, paul neville,conan doyle and tim ryan (all ex munster), andreew dunne mark hugh -
even more will go into club coaching e.g the aforementioned prendergast,jackman, horan , mark mchugh, peter coyle, mick galwey, denis leamy, david corkery,john oneill, emmett farrell eric miller james blayney brett wilkinson. ex wales coach mike ruddock is coaching at lansdowne , paul oconnell and ian keatley have done underage coaching at young munster
Find it great when coaching my under 8s at blitzes to find one of the opposition coaches is an ex inter county player!. Alway great when an ex elite level player goes back coaching
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:981 - 19/01/2017 10:34:36
Agree with a lot of that but what 1A sides train 4 times a week? You have to be taking gym work that players do in their own time in that rather than squad sessions if talking about 4 sessions a week.

disagree -they all started their rugby with a club and will have an attachment to that club - i go to a lot of club rugby (and gaa) very common to see current pro players attending club games to support their club, (often see them at club hurling too) ciaran ruddock, and mick mcgrath are two other ex pros playing club rugby
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:981 - 19/01/2017 10:39:22
To be fair. Mick McGrath was with Leinster starting at 23 and then was released from them very recently. He is quite different to pros finishing in their early 30s after 10+ years as a pro

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12588 - 19/01/2017 12:34:23   1946949

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ormond - 4 days a week includes gym session

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:985 - 19/01/2017 13:05:04   1946960

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http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/175788/Michael_Murphy_in_Studio__Clermont__Donegal_in_2017

Easy to see why Michael Murphy is not just a class footballer but a great captain.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts:3196 - 20/01/2017 06:45:58   1947226

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