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9 goals conceded in last 4 Championship matches versus the Dubs.

Mayo must close down the space on front of the goal for the replay.

I don't for one second consider it unlucky to concede goals the last day when you let the Dubs have clean position right in front of your goal. Absolutely idiotic to not learn from past failures. if you concede 2+ goals you have an absolute mountain to climb

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 20/09/2016 12:50:56    1916872

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Replying To centerfield:  "9 goals conceded in last 4 Championship matches versus the Dubs.

Mayo must close down the space on front of the goal for the replay.

I don't for one second consider it unlucky to concede goals the last day when you let the Dubs have clean position right in front of your goal. Absolutely idiotic to not learn from past failures. if you concede 2+ goals you have an absolute mountain to climb"
Agree centrefield, for all the talk of Dublin being lucky they carved that Mayo FB line open 3 times and really should have converted them all. But it was one of those days when forwards struggled with it. Mayo got enough bodies behind the ball to protect the FB line after that. I would not be surprised if EOG starts the next day and Dublin look to vary it. That would intetesting.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 20/09/2016 12:56:08    1916876

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Replying To Joxer:  "Agree centrefield, for all the talk of Dublin being lucky they carved that Mayo FB line open 3 times and really should have converted them all. But it was one of those days when forwards struggled with it. Mayo got enough bodies behind the ball to protect the FB line after that. I would not be surprised if EOG starts the next day and Dublin look to vary it. That would intetesting."
Ya I agree EOG could start he caused serious problems in 2013. Hard to see how Mannion can be left off also, looks a serious talent

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 21/09/2016 19:33:39    1917659

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Mayo losses in the Championship the last 4 years.
2012 Donegal 2-11

2013 Dublin 2-12

2014 Kerry 3-16

2015 Dublin 3-15

Average 2.5 goals conceeded.

Goals made up 36% or 3/8ths of the total conceeded.
A huge proportion

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 21/09/2016 19:37:41    1917662

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Interesting piece. It was also a goal that cost them their three in a row run at the Connacht title.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 21/09/2016 20:40:51    1917705

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Mayo have actually only conceded the same amount as Dublin this year with a few more games played, it is not a huge problem , Andy Moran probably should have scored a goal too with his point.

They were unlucky to have two of them OG's. At least one would have been cleared/gone wide up or saved if not both goals.

Won't happen again that they let in OGs so I think they will be just fine,actually thought their defence did quite well apart from those two weird errors.

GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 21/09/2016 20:46:02    1917708

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Replying To GameOfTyrones:  "Mayo have actually only conceded the same amount as Dublin this year with a few more games played, it is not a huge problem , Andy Moran probably should have scored a goal too with his point.

They were unlucky to have two of them OG's. At least one would have been cleared/gone wide up or saved if not both goals.

Won't happen again that they let in OGs so I think they will be just fine,actually thought their defence did quite well apart from those two weird errors."
It is an enormous problem if you are generally conceeding 2+ goals against the best teams. Because you have an absolute mountain to climb then, because the other top teams will generally not concede 2 goals. Mayo have scored 3 goals against Dublin in the last 4 games a 0.75 goal per game average.

The goals were not unlucky Dublin created 3 clear cut goal chance in the first half alone

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 21/09/2016 21:24:38    1917731

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Agree 100%, they weren't lucky goals, Mayo were carved open (sweeper didn't seem to help much), and don't have a chance the next day unless they manage to tighten up

Bosco98 (Galway) - Posts: 127 - 21/09/2016 21:57:53    1917755

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To be fair to Mayo they haven't leaked many goals this year and have really tightened up at the back. It is nearly impossible to stop Dublin creating at least a couple of goal chances during a game. I do agree that the second own goal wasn't unlucky, it was poor defending to allow Connolly to pick out a long ball to Rock like that. If Mayo don't leak goals in the replay, I really fancy them to win as Dublin are not firing on all cylinders this year.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1874 - 22/09/2016 08:38:12    1917812

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Replying To GameOfTyrones:  "Mayo have actually only conceded the same amount as Dublin this year with a few more games played, it is not a huge problem , Andy Moran probably should have scored a goal too with his point.

They were unlucky to have two of them OG's. At least one would have been cleared/gone wide up or saved if not both goals.

Won't happen again that they let in OGs so I think they will be just fine,actually thought their defence did quite well apart from those two weird errors."
While Mayo played 2 games more, the quality of opposition was lower in terms of what division they were in. They played:
Division 1 x 0
Division 2 x 3
Division 3 x 3
Division 4 x 1

Dublin played:
Division 1 x 2
Division 2 x 2
Division 3 x 1
Division 4 x 0

You're not comparing like with like.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 22/09/2016 11:36:15    1917864

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "While Mayo played 2 games more, the quality of opposition was lower in terms of what division they were in. They played:
Division 1 x 0
Division 2 x 3
Division 3 x 3
Division 4 x 1

Dublin played:
Division 1 x 2
Division 2 x 2
Division 3 x 1
Division 4 x 0

You're not comparing like with like."
What division are Tyrone in???? Were they not second favourites to win the All Ireland at one stage????

Ccgall4 (Mayo) - Posts: 21 - 22/09/2016 12:44:31    1917900

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Mayo need to be tactically more aware. There were a few times when the FB line got sucked out the field and nobody dropped back to cover. Fenton's 2nd goal chance was a prime example of this - you could see it coming a mile away! The ball was played in low to the FF who was running away from goal. He took the FB and another defender out to about 35 yards then laid the ball back. You could then see a massive hole behind the Mayo defense for Dublin runners to get into. All it took was a simple run from Fenton around the side and he was in. You really need someone to pick up on the danger quicker than that, even if that player is not the sweeper.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 22/09/2016 13:18:55    1917918

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Replying To festinog:  "Interesting piece. It was also a goal that cost them their three in a row run at the Connacht title."
Six in a row Mayo were going for this year not three ;)

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 22/09/2016 14:26:22    1917943

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Analysis: Own goals, Dublin's shooting under pressure, Mayo's ferocious tackling
http://the42.ie/2986743

Goals weren't lucky.

All the chances were caused by a spot of ball watching/lack of awareness.

Those are difficult problems to fix.

It's very difficult to also pressure Dublin and to not give up goal chances. If I were Mayo I'd keep pressuring the point scoring opportunities and ride my luck a bit with the goals. If you give Dublin an easy sniff at point taking you will definitely lose. If you give them a few sniffs at goal, who knows they might not have their finishing boots on.

Mayo were very very good at not giving them easy scores.

https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 22/09/2016 15:14:12    1917970

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I think we should celebrate Mayo's full back lines performance last Sunday. Conceding only 11 scores against Dublin is an excellent display.
The fact that the 2 goals were pure flukes makes their performance even more noteworthy.
If you don't think the goals were flukes, check the record on the amount of Own Goals scored in GAA matches.
I think there have been a total of 0 own goals scored in about 130 all Ireland football finals up until last Sunday

pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 22/09/2016 16:06:57    1917994

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Replying To centerfield:  "9 goals conceded in last 4 Championship matches versus the Dubs.

Mayo must close down the space on front of the goal for the replay.

I don't for one second consider it unlucky to concede goals the last day when you let the Dubs have clean position right in front of your goal. Absolutely idiotic to not learn from past failures. if you concede 2+ goals you have an absolute mountain to climb"
I think your being a bit harsh there. The fact that Dublin's entire foward line were held scoreless or kept very quiet for most of the game is a damn good achievement for any team considering the type of scorelines Dublin tally up against teams. Dublin's off the ball movement in the forward line makes it almost impossible to prevent them from creating goal chances and keeping them to one or two is certainly not easy.

If Mayo were to park the bus around the goal area they would open up space for players to kick from just outside that range and they would take scores for fun without any real need to go for goal. what Mayo did the last day unsettled Dublin big time and if it wasn't for terrible misfortune they would have won the game. they should try to mimic that performance. changing tactics could be catastrophic at this stage.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 22/09/2016 16:37:57    1918009

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "While Mayo played 2 games more, the quality of opposition was lower in terms of what division they were in. They played:
Division 1 x 0
Division 2 x 3
Division 3 x 3
Division 4 x 1

Dublin played:
Division 1 x 2
Division 2 x 2
Division 3 x 1
Division 4 x 0

You're not comparing like with like."
I think if a team get to an All Ireland semi final it doesn't matter what division they are in, they are there on merit. What happened to the three division one teams in Ulster. One of Mayos division two teams was Tyrone who had already beaten one of Dublins division one teams, namely Donegal. Why am I even arguing about this?

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 22/09/2016 19:42:58    1918095

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "While Mayo played 2 games more, the quality of opposition was lower in terms of what division they were in. They played:
Division 1 x 0
Division 2 x 3
Division 3 x 3
Division 4 x 1

Dublin played:
Division 1 x 2
Division 2 x 2
Division 3 x 1
Division 4 x 0

You're not comparing like with like."
I would take the league standings with a pinch of salt .

Didn't see any division two teams in a semi but there was a division 3 team there who bet a division 1 team along the way .

Apart from the loss to Galway mayo played a reasonable Fermanagh team, a poor looking Kildare team, a scrapping but not skilled Westmeath team ,a strong but not cute enoufh Tyrone and a in my opinion a very very good Tipperary team .


In my eyes there is very little at the minute between Donegal and Tipperary in terms of football . Even ourselves I don't believe Tipp are all that far behind us. People don't give them credit and call it a fluke but they will fly up the divisions in the next few years no doubt .Point I'm making is Mayo have played as good opposition as Dublin. Kerry are about on par with ourselves ,Donegal just slightly behind and Tipp coming after . League matters very little come championship for rating opposition..

If it did then why did Cork or Roscommon not even feature in a quarter final ?



Dublin played a poor Meath team , an also scrappy but not good enough Westmeath , an reasonably good Donegal team and an aged but skillful and still somewhat talented Kerry team.

There is very very little difference in the skill of opposition if you don't just take it by league and besides , Tyrone are a division one team as of next year so I don't see an argument to say Dublin have really had any easier route .

GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 22/09/2016 22:08:55    1918174

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Ccgall4 (Mayo) - Posts:11 - 22/09/2016

What division are Tyrone in????

Division 2 - that's why they played all division 2 sides in the league this year. Next year they'll be division 1.

Were they not second favourites to win the All Ireland at one stage????

Do you think bookies' odds always reflect reality? Dublin were 500/1 on to beat Westmeath. Is that a realistic reflection of a two horse race?

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts:527 - 22/09/2016

I think if a team get to an All Ireland semi final it doesn't matter what division they are in, they are there on merit. What happened to the three division one teams in Ulster. One of Mayos division two teams was Tyrone who had already beaten one of Dublins division one teams, namely Donegal.

Nobody disputed that teams progressed in the championship on merit. The debate was whether the overall quality of Mayo's opposition was lower than that of Dublin's to get a perspective on the amounts conceded by both teams over the championship season. The league positions, while not a perfect reflection, is at least a half decent indicator of quality. Teams are certainly positioned in their respective divisions based on merit.

Why am I even arguing about this?

This is a GAA forum. That's what people do on here.

GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts:260 - 22/09/2016

I would take the league standings with a pinch of salt.

As above, league standings are not a perfect reflection of quality. However, at least they are quantifiable. If you have a more accurate, objective and unarguable method of measuring quality then by all means share it.

Didn't see any division two teams in a semi but there was a division 3 team there who bet a division 1 team along the way.

You are cherry picking one anomalous, uncommon result to suit your argument. There are 7 other division 3 teams who didn't make the semis.

... in my opinion a very very good Tipperary team...
...an reasonably good Donegal team and an aged but skillful and still somewhat talented Kerry team...

Tipp are a "very, very good team" but Donegal are only "reasonably good"? Kerry are a "somewhat talented" team? Seriously???

...I don't see an argument to say Dublin have really had any easier route.

I don't either. I do think there are quantifiable reasons why you could say Mayo have played, on an overall basis, a lower quality of opposition over the championship season.

And breathe...

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 23/09/2016 11:44:55    1918303

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Two own goals were very bad luck but bad positioning by Mayo. I would imagine Dublin will play better so so too will Mayo and no conceeding 2 own goals will help. Should make for another close battle. People saying Dublin need to step it up well so do Mayo as our forward play was very poor the last day.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 23/09/2016 12:53:06    1918358

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