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How ironic that Jim Gavin and Mickey Harte should now take up arms against this new malaise that has blighted the game of Gaelic Football it would seem the latter's teams introduced it and the former's perfected it Do you remember the lad known as Ricey I can still see him giving physical and verbal grief to Colm Cooper As for Filly Mc Mahon he never stops I am told that Dublin have a professional basketball coach in their back room retinue teaching them how to block the runs of the giver of the pass I watched that on Saturday amazing the number of times Donegal players were balked at source as far as I recall that was an offence that Eugene Mc Gee black card was introduced to eliminate, no ref or linesman has taken up on it I don't think Sean Cavanagh was teaching Aidan O SHEA the words of 'the mountains of Pomeroy ' as he was seen to constantly roar in his ear throughout the first half. Once again I say the day the music died was that August Day in 2003 when for the first 30 minutes of that semifinalTyrone were allowed to exert all manners of intimidation on Kerry, that Tyrone team just as this Dublin one did not need to resort to those tactics,in football skills they match any team of any time.So Messers Gavin and Harte instead of moaning about the clinical and yes cynical ways opponents meet steel with steel rid your own house of the gutter tactics first and then talk to us about the others
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Replying To 37sowhat: "How ironic that Jim Gavin and Mickey Harte should now take up arms against this new malaise that has blighted the game of Gaelic Football it would seem the latter's teams introduced it and the former's perfected it Do you remember the lad known as Ricey I can still see him giving physical and verbal grief to Colm Cooper As for Filly Mc Mahon he never stops I am told that Dublin have a professional basketball coach in their back room retinue teaching them how to block the runs of the giver of the pass I watched that on Saturday amazing the number of times Donegal players were balked at source as far as I recall that was an offence that Eugene Mc Gee black card was introduced to eliminate, no ref or linesman has taken up on it I don't think Sean Cavanagh was teaching Aidan O SHEA the words of 'the mountains of Pomeroy ' as he was seen to constantly roar in his ear throughout the first half. Once again I say the day the music died was that August Day in 2003 when for the first 30 minutes of that semifinalTyrone were allowed to exert all manners of intimidation on Kerry, that Tyrone team just as this Dublin one did not need to resort to those tactics,in football skills they match any team of any time.So Messers Gavin and Harte instead of moaning about the clinical and yes cynical ways opponents meet steel with steel rid your own house of the gutter tactics first and then talk to us about the others" I am told that Dublin have a professional basketball coach in their back room retinue teaching them how to block the runs
LOL Thats a good one now :)
Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 09/08/2016 10:12:45
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August 2003 - the birth of sledging lol. Were you born in 2002? I didn't play much beyond 2003 and I can tell you that carry on has been going on as long as I was playing and far back beyond that.
Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 09/08/2016 10:18:00
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Replying To 37sowhat: "How ironic that Jim Gavin and Mickey Harte should now take up arms against this new malaise that has blighted the game of Gaelic Football it would seem the latter's teams introduced it and the former's perfected it Do you remember the lad known as Ricey I can still see him giving physical and verbal grief to Colm Cooper As for Filly Mc Mahon he never stops I am told that Dublin have a professional basketball coach in their back room retinue teaching them how to block the runs of the giver of the pass I watched that on Saturday amazing the number of times Donegal players were balked at source as far as I recall that was an offence that Eugene Mc Gee black card was introduced to eliminate, no ref or linesman has taken up on it I don't think Sean Cavanagh was teaching Aidan O SHEA the words of 'the mountains of Pomeroy ' as he was seen to constantly roar in his ear throughout the first half. Once again I say the day the music died was that August Day in 2003 when for the first 30 minutes of that semifinalTyrone were allowed to exert all manners of intimidation on Kerry, that Tyrone team just as this Dublin one did not need to resort to those tactics,in football skills they match any team of any time.So Messers Gavin and Harte instead of moaning about the clinical and yes cynical ways opponents meet steel with steel rid your own house of the gutter tactics first and then talk to us about the others" You are talking about playing a 'Screen'. This tactic is legal in basketball but completely illegal in Gaelic football. It involves standing stationary and blocking a run. Any blocks i have seen in a gaelic football game sees players run into the player to block him off so i don't know what exactly a basketball coach could be teaching anyone.
As for sledging do you really think Tyrone invented it? It's been in sport for decades and gaelic is not immune from it, nor has it ever been. BTW what do you think O'se was saying to the Tyrone players in the first half when the camera caught him mouthing to them on numerous occasions? Do you think he was asking them where he could get a decent fry around Omagh?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 09/08/2016 11:02:44
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Just wondering if Mickey Harte has forgotten this
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/cavanagh-says-he-would-repeat-rugby-tackle-foul-on-mcmanus-1.1826330
LoyalVin (Mayo) - Posts: 88 - 09/08/2016 11:20:53
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You're right Gotmilk it has been going on for years. It's certainly nothing new although in some cases, Tipp U21s I think, were it seemed to get very personal, you'd have to question whether refs need to take some kind of sanction. Almost impossible to police.
I know Dublin did introduce basketball coaching to some degree but a screen in basketball is only legal if the blocker is completely stationery. However there are lots of crossovers in terms of skills, rebounding/fielding, in and out plus crossover dribbling/soloing, chest passing/fisted pass, zonal defence/blanket defence. Certainly McCauley and Brogan use basketball dribbling moves in their play. Watch Brogan's low cross-over technique when hop soloing, left to right hand.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4701 - 09/08/2016 11:23:35
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It's a part of the game that isn't going away..iv seen and heard it at underage..it's a mans game these things are taken on the chin and you have to move on..if a bit of sledging causes a man to lash out well then in my opinion the person who lashes out is in the wrong..not mentally strong enough to realise the game is more important than what's coming out of someone else's mouth..
Dangerman17 (Mayo) - Posts: 26 - 09/08/2016 11:58:14
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Replying To 37sowhat: "How ironic that Jim Gavin and Mickey Harte should now take up arms against this new malaise that has blighted the game of Gaelic Football it would seem the latter's teams introduced it and the former's perfected it Do you remember the lad known as Ricey I can still see him giving physical and verbal grief to Colm Cooper As for Filly Mc Mahon he never stops I am told that Dublin have a professional basketball coach in their back room retinue teaching them how to block the runs of the giver of the pass I watched that on Saturday amazing the number of times Donegal players were balked at source as far as I recall that was an offence that Eugene Mc Gee black card was introduced to eliminate, no ref or linesman has taken up on it I don't think Sean Cavanagh was teaching Aidan O SHEA the words of 'the mountains of Pomeroy ' as he was seen to constantly roar in his ear throughout the first half. Once again I say the day the music died was that August Day in 2003 when for the first 30 minutes of that semifinalTyrone were allowed to exert all manners of intimidation on Kerry, that Tyrone team just as this Dublin one did not need to resort to those tactics,in football skills they match any team of any time.So Messers Gavin and Harte instead of moaning about the clinical and yes cynical ways opponents meet steel with steel rid your own house of the gutter tactics first and then talk to us about the others" When you have Jim McGuinness and Senan Connell on TV saying that sledging is part of the game and condoning it things are going to get worse.
Tyrone were despicable again on Saturday. More interested in roaring and shout abuse at lads when they missed a shot or tackle than playing the game.
daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 09/08/2016 12:07:49
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There is utterly nothing wrong with using basketball techniques in gaelic football if it improves the skill of the game. Blocking could be argued as being a skill too, but it would depend on the legality of it. Getting in position to stop a player by tackling him legally is perfectly acceptable. Kilkenny was doing it all day last saturday.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 09/08/2016 12:10:01
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Replying To Joxer: "You're right Gotmilk it has been going on for years. It's certainly nothing new although in some cases, Tipp U21s I think, were it seemed to get very personal, you'd have to question whether refs need to take some kind of sanction. Almost impossible to police.
I know Dublin did introduce basketball coaching to some degree but a screen in basketball is only legal if the blocker is completely stationery. However there are lots of crossovers in terms of skills, rebounding/fielding, in and out plus crossover dribbling/soloing, chest passing/fisted pass, zonal defence/blanket defence. Certainly McCauley and Brogan use basketball dribbling moves in their play. Watch Brogan's low cross-over technique when hop soloing, left to right hand." And Kilkenny is basically a point guard. The amount of pointing he does when on the ball is funny.
benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 09/08/2016 12:19:48
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Replying To 37sowhat: "How ironic that Jim Gavin and Mickey Harte should now take up arms against this new malaise that has blighted the game of Gaelic Football it would seem the latter's teams introduced it and the former's perfected it Do you remember the lad known as Ricey I can still see him giving physical and verbal grief to Colm Cooper As for Filly Mc Mahon he never stops I am told that Dublin have a professional basketball coach in their back room retinue teaching them how to block the runs of the giver of the pass I watched that on Saturday amazing the number of times Donegal players were balked at source as far as I recall that was an offence that Eugene Mc Gee black card was introduced to eliminate, no ref or linesman has taken up on it I don't think Sean Cavanagh was teaching Aidan O SHEA the words of 'the mountains of Pomeroy ' as he was seen to constantly roar in his ear throughout the first half. Once again I say the day the music died was that August Day in 2003 when for the first 30 minutes of that semifinalTyrone were allowed to exert all manners of intimidation on Kerry, that Tyrone team just as this Dublin one did not need to resort to those tactics,in football skills they match any team of any time.So Messers Gavin and Harte instead of moaning about the clinical and yes cynical ways opponents meet steel with steel rid your own house of the gutter tactics first and then talk to us about the others" I don't know about Harte but Jim Gavin is only deflecting attention from his own team by sending out jonny cooper of all men to say Kerry will target poor dermo in the semifinal , jonny cooper eh?
That's ironic ,
37 you're right these fellas would want to get there own houses in order before they start on others.
Jim Gavin thinks if he points enough at Kerry and others that we won't see the cynical and rough behavior of his team,
Bernard Flynn called it last night on the radio when he said Jim Gavin has some neck coming out accusing other teams of targeting his players what with jonny cooper and Philly macmahon get up to.
And he also said Dublin are as cynical a team or even more cynical than anyother team in the championship.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/08/2016 12:41:40
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Replying To Joxer: "You're right Gotmilk it has been going on for years. It's certainly nothing new although in some cases, Tipp U21s I think, were it seemed to get very personal, you'd have to question whether refs need to take some kind of sanction. Almost impossible to police.
I know Dublin did introduce basketball coaching to some degree but a screen in basketball is only legal if the blocker is completely stationery. However there are lots of crossovers in terms of skills, rebounding/fielding, in and out plus crossover dribbling/soloing, chest passing/fisted pass, zonal defence/blanket defence. Certainly McCauley and Brogan use basketball dribbling moves in their play. Watch Brogan's low cross-over technique when hop soloing, left to right hand." From what I gather the Tipp one was a bit OTT from tipp. When it comes to dead family members, race, sexuality or serious illnesses I think it's off limits but anything else I would have no issue.
I can't say I've noticed Brogan but I will keep an eye out for it. You a basketball fan Joxer? What you make of Durant? If you can't beat them join them.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 09/08/2016 12:55:26
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Sledging should be a yellow card offence.
Start handing out yellow cards any time a player is goaded on the field and it will stop fairly quickly.
Tyrones full back on Saturday (the most notable player I saw for it recently) was a disgrace but the refs let him do it so he might as well take advantage if he can.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 09/08/2016 13:47:05
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Sledging should be a yellow card offence.
Start handing out yellow cards any time a player is goaded on the field and it will stop fairly quickly.
Tyrones full back on Saturday (the most notable player I saw for it recently) was a disgrace but the refs let him do it so he might as well take advantage if he can." is sledging not a blackcard offence? Rarely enforced but i think Neil McGee got blackcard for sledging against Down in league?
Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 09/08/2016 14:02:57
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It's not part of the game at all
It's clearly a black card offence to provoke an opponent through verbal or physical abuse. Anyone saying it's been in the game for years is right it has but that doesn't mean we should allow it.
Cynical fouling was in the game for years and we introduced proper training for refs to attempt to stamp it out. The same card applies for this stuff but officials refuse to use it. It's like hurling commentators putting their head in the sand saying cynical fouling is a football only problem it happens week in week out in hurling and a clear occurance on Sunday was about twenty minutes to go Kilkenny had a man over all on his own while on the attack and the Waterford player hauled the cat in possesion down to prevent him playing his team mate in for a one on one.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 09/08/2016 14:15:32
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "I don't know about Harte but Jim Gavin is only deflecting attention from his own team by sending out jonny cooper of all men to say Kerry will target poor dermo in the semifinal , jonny cooper eh?
That's ironic ,
37 you're right these fellas would want to get there own houses in order before they start on others.
Jim Gavin thinks if he points enough at Kerry and others that we won't see the cynical and rough behavior of his team,
Bernard Flynn called it last night on the radio when he said Jim Gavin has some neck coming out accusing other teams of targeting his players what with jonny cooper and Philly macmahon get up to.
And he also said Dublin are as cynical a team or even more cynical than anyother team in the championship." Yeah...it kind of reminds me of the time Fitzmaurice was whining about the 'pillage and rape' that was going on in the Dublin full back line while forgetting the fun and games that his own Kerry defenders get up to.
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 09/08/2016 14:16:53
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Replying To hill16no1man: "It's not part of the game at all
It's clearly a black card offence to provoke an opponent through verbal or physical abuse. Anyone saying it's been in the game for years is right it has but that doesn't mean we should allow it.
Cynical fouling was in the game for years and we introduced proper training for refs to attempt to stamp it out. The same card applies for this stuff but officials refuse to use it. It's like hurling commentators putting their head in the sand saying cynical fouling is a football only problem it happens week in week out in hurling and a clear occurance on Sunday was about twenty minutes to go Kilkenny had a man over all on his own while on the attack and the Waterford player hauled the cat in possesion down to prevent him playing his team mate in for a one on one." But do you really expect players to go out and stay silent?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 09/08/2016 14:23:36
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The blocking is a tactic that I believe is being trained
but it happens at every level.
In Junior football in a Lower level county I play corner forward/full forward and when playing with another experienced guy we had a play where I ran behind him and to the other side for the ball. I presumes initially that we were just running the normal switch. I was having great success with this but in a training match one day I was a defender and my man ran behind the other forward. The other forward step back into me and created an extra 3/4 years for his team mate. I certainly never complained but its not really legal.
Sledging is a difficult one. Its nearly impossible to enforce any rules around it as generally it doesn't happen near the ref or its not loud enough for everyone to hear. However I think inter county players shouldn't be effected by words. I think when you play football at that high of a level you get a thick skin.
dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 09/08/2016 14:28:31
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Replying To daytona11: "When you have Jim McGuinness and Senan Connell on TV saying that sledging is part of the game and condoning it things are going to get worse.
Tyrone were despicable again on Saturday. More interested in roaring and shout abuse at lads when they missed a shot or tackle than playing the game." So your lip reading skills were only used on the Tyrone players - get over yourself with despicable - both teams were at it and it's been going on for an eternity - Puadi OShea and Ciaran Duff were legendary at it and there wasn't a Tyrone man on the pitch- wise up.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 09/08/2016 14:32:41
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Replying To gotmilk: "From what I gather the Tipp one was a bit OTT from tipp. When it comes to dead family members, race, sexuality or serious illnesses I think it's off limits but anything else I would have no issue.
I can't say I've noticed Brogan but I will keep an eye out for it. You a basketball fan Joxer? What you make of Durant? If you can't beat them join them." From Tipp or you mean against TIpp?
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/08/2016 14:35:55
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