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This is a fairly recent phenomenon are normally results in loud scale booing. Donegal got pelters last year against Galway.
Today both Mayo & Dublin both did it but I was amazed to hear the co commentator go to town on Mayo. He was incensed they tried to keep hold of the ball for the final five minutes. Ok they nearly did get caught out but I found it perfectly understandable to do it.
They were one point up not one down. Tyrone were retreating into their normal shape hoping to turn them over. Mayo were perfectly right to play it backwards. They were forcing Tyrone to abandon their positions. It's akin to soccer but we are going through this devolpment of our game as tactics are evolving quickly.
It's something fans seem to hate and I understand that but as a tactic I feel it's only going to be more common unless a rule change was brought in.
Thoughts? Were Mayo mad or clever in your opinion in the final six minutes?
For me they were spot on but their execution was a little sloppy.
shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 187 - 06/08/2016 23:02:56
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Replying To shaggykev: "This is a fairly recent phenomenon are normally results in loud scale booing. Donegal got pelters last year against Galway.
Today both Mayo & Dublin both did it but I was amazed to hear the co commentator go to town on Mayo. He was incensed they tried to keep hold of the ball for the final five minutes. Ok they nearly did get caught out but I found it perfectly understandable to do it.
They were one point up not one down. Tyrone were retreating into their normal shape hoping to turn them over. Mayo were perfectly right to play it backwards. They were forcing Tyrone to abandon their positions. It's akin to soccer but we are going through this devolpment of our game as tactics are evolving quickly.
It's something fans seem to hate and I understand that but as a tactic I feel it's only going to be more common unless a rule change was brought in.
Thoughts? Were Mayo mad or clever in your opinion in the final six minutes?
For me they were spot on but their execution was a little sloppy." Mad because Tyrone turned over possession several times in the last 5/6 minutes but didn't have the puff or belief to drive on. Mayo looked scared in those last minutes and a better, more focused side than Tyrone would have punished them.
Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9693 - 07/08/2016 00:46:02
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It's a logical response to a deep lying game plan.
The next step will be that teams will have to be capable of switching from being passive to being more aggressive hunting for the ball.
Could be a good thing. Managers will be forced to work on pressing their opponents higher as a plan B for when they are behind in the closing stages.
If they have to work on it anyway maybe it becomes more part of the plan A.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4194 - 07/08/2016 01:06:17
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Replying To Ulsterman: "Mad because Tyrone turned over possession several times in the last 5/6 minutes but didn't have the puff or belief to drive on. Mayo looked scared in those last minutes and a better, more focused side than Tyrone would have punished them." Tyrone had 14 players in their own half and were a point down. They would have looked very foolish if they kicked it long and Tyrone broke out and scored.
I thought they were right to do it to draw Tyrone up the field but should have drove on after giving away the free and Tyrone had pushed up.
I would be more critical of thrones obsession with defending because they might have won if they went for it in the last 10.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1103 - 07/08/2016 02:34:00
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Replying To shaggykev: "This is a fairly recent phenomenon are normally results in loud scale booing. Donegal got pelters last year against Galway.
Today both Mayo & Dublin both did it but I was amazed to hear the co commentator go to town on Mayo. He was incensed they tried to keep hold of the ball for the final five minutes. Ok they nearly did get caught out but I found it perfectly understandable to do it.
They were one point up not one down. Tyrone were retreating into their normal shape hoping to turn them over. Mayo were perfectly right to play it backwards. They were forcing Tyrone to abandon their positions. It's akin to soccer but we are going through this devolpment of our game as tactics are evolving quickly.
It's something fans seem to hate and I understand that but as a tactic I feel it's only going to be more common unless a rule change was brought in.
Thoughts? Were Mayo mad or clever in your opinion in the final six minutes?
For me they were spot on but their execution was a little sloppy." You're not mad at all.
Why should a team play into the opposition's hands when it's not encumbent upon them to try i.e. when they have the lead? This issue would never have surfaced prior to McGuinness's introduction of extreme pragmatism. Possession football was not a concept that was viable before the blanket defence system offerred available acreage to opposing backlines.
The booing is just a manifestation of ignorant impotence.
Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 07/08/2016 03:15:30
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The team playing keep ball are not to blame.
Hopefully the fans and the media have the cop on to realise this.
It was up to Tyrone and Donegal yesterday to do something to stop Mayo and Dublin passing the ball around amongst themselves.
In all sports it's up to the team who are losing to make a game of it and not the team who are winning.If you take the lead 1 point to zero in the first minute of the match you can play keep ball for the next 70 minutes of you like if the team who are behind simply stand there and look at you.
Tyrone and Donegal were 100% to blame for it and it was really cowardly from both of them to stand there and let Mayo and Dublin do it.
Mayo stupidly allowed Tyrone back in by playing a bad pass across the field but if they'd done it properly the could have kept it going right till the end of the game.Cian O'Sullivan made a bad mistake also but maybe teams instead of hoping the other team will make a mistake should actually be a bit more proactive and try and win the ball back and push up the field.
Unfortunately I have no doubt the 2 teams who played keep ball will get blamed for it even though it wasn't their fault.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 07/08/2016 08:56:08
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You can't blame the teams doing it but it's more evidence that our game is broken. The only thing Dublin and mayo didn't do was pass it back to the keeper. It was in their interest to hold the ball but it's the ugliest development in game I've seen. I really fear for Gaelic football it's so so bad at the minute and even Mayo fans were leaving stadium having stayed on for two matches cringing and agreeing major rule changes are needed
cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 07/08/2016 09:06:08
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You can't blame the teams doing it but it's more evidence that our game is broken. The only thing Dublin and mayo didn't do was pass it back to the keeper. It was in their interest to hold the ball but it's the ugliest development in game I've seen. I really fear for Gaelic football it's so so bad at the minute and even Mayo fans were leaving stadium having stayed on for two matches cringing and agreeing major rule changes are needed
cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 07/08/2016 09:07:24
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Replying To cacsmckilly: "You can't blame the teams doing it but it's more evidence that our game is broken. The only thing Dublin and mayo didn't do was pass it back to the keeper. It was in their interest to hold the ball but it's the ugliest development in game I've seen. I really fear for Gaelic football it's so so bad at the minute and even Mayo fans were leaving stadium having stayed on for two matches cringing and agreeing major rule changes are needed" The rules do need to be changed they need to be changed about 10 years ago of course instead of realising that the fans and media blamed the players and managers than accepting that they were doing everything within the rules.The GAA are the ones who are to blame and not anyone involved in playing or coaching the game.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 07/08/2016 09:20:02
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You can't blame Mayo and the 4 Regions for doing what they needed to do to see out their respective games.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7808 - 07/08/2016 09:56:40
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Cacs retaining the ball to draw 14 men out of their own 45 is not the ugliest development in the game, the tactic (blanket) that led to the 14 men being in there in the first place is the ugliest development. One necessitates the other unfortunately. It's still some sight sitting in Croke Park watching a team down by a point with a 1 to go and they all planted in their own 45. Madness but this system is programmed into them it seems.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 07/08/2016 10:06:12
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Replying To legendzxix: "You can't blame Mayo and the 4 Regions for doing what they needed to do to see out their respective games." There he goes again.
Regions.
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Knoxboya (Monaghan) - Posts: 357 - 07/08/2016 10:42:25
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Would support much of what has been said here.
Kicking the ball away at a pivotal time in a game is madness, and the deep set mass defence gives the space to keep possession. However, as others have also said, this is still quite a new thing. It was clear to me ystrdy that Mayo were panicked at times and very nearly got caught out.
Teams running sideways or backwards via hand passing still need "an out ball" - a forward who has found a yard or two of space who can be reached by an accurate kick. Without it, it's counting down the clock to conceding possession and or a free.
An understandable tactic, but very much work in progress.
Knoxboya (Monaghan) - Posts: 357 - 07/08/2016 10:51:24
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the only reason teams do this especially dublin is because we play now so regularly against teams
who adopt 14 men in thier own half even when we are 5 points up.
so instead of bombing into a mass of bodies and being turned over its way better to draw the opposition out to tackle us and then when the gap opens cut through them for the score. the onus is on the team who are behind to come out and play and not continue to adopt the all out defense structure. the only team to blame for seing this happen is the team loosing playing defensivly still when you need the ball.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 07/08/2016 11:48:43
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