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Mayo. When we beat them in '11 I thought they were progressing to challenge for All-Irelands (plural). Two finals and no smoking cigar. Have they blown their chance?
Donegal. Landed the big prize in '12. Are they happy with their lot?
Tyrone. Like our win over Mayo in '11, the signs were there of Tyrone's progression last year. Are Tyrone back? We've had 6 poor championships from '10 to '15. No team of the calibre of the champions from '96 to '09. Are Tyrone likely to get back to their high level of '03 to '09 and dominate due to no other team being near that level?
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 02/08/2016 16:07:08
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With football being so poor in the period from 2010-2016 surely Tyrone won't dominate even of they win an All-Ireland because they are actually coming from such a low base i.e being unsuccessful in possibly the easiest era ever to win the All-Ireland.
They've surely got miles and miles to go to get anywhere near the standard of the glory years of 2003-2009. In this current era they'd easily win 6/7 in a row if they got back to the level they were at.
I don't think there has been as poor or easy an era to win an All-Ireland in since maybe 1974-1977.
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Replying To MesAmis: "With football being so poor in the period from 2010-2016 surely Tyrone won't dominate even of they win an All-Ireland because they are actually coming from such a low base i.e being unsuccessful in possibly the easiest era ever to win the All-Ireland.
They've surely got miles and miles to go to get anywhere near the standard of the glory years of 2003-2009. In this current era they'd easily win 6/7 in a row if they got back to the level they were at.
I don't think there has been as poor or easy an era to win an All-Ireland in since maybe 1974-1977." In the 2010-2015 era the only team who should have had won an all Ireland bar the teams who actually did is Mayo - however I also do believe Tyrone would have put it up to Dublin better than the kingdom last year and could've have caught the dubs in an ambush - not likely to happen this year as Dublin will be looking at Tyrone very closely.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 02/08/2016 17:00:23
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Replying To legendzxix: "Mayo. When we beat them in '11 I thought they were progressing to challenge for All-Irelands (plural). Two finals and no smoking cigar. Have they blown their chance?
Donegal. Landed the big prize in '12. Are they happy with their lot?
Tyrone. Like our win over Mayo in '11, the signs were there of Tyrone's progression last year. Are Tyrone back? We've had 6 poor championships from '10 to '15. No team of the calibre of the champions from '96 to '09. Are Tyrone likely to get back to their high level of '03 to '09 and dominate due to no other team being near that level?" What a load of rubbish,you must be very bored.
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 02/08/2016 17:03:39
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Replying To legendzxix: "Mayo. When we beat them in '11 I thought they were progressing to challenge for All-Irelands (plural). Two finals and no smoking cigar. Have they blown their chance?
Donegal. Landed the big prize in '12. Are they happy with their lot?
Tyrone. Like our win over Mayo in '11, the signs were there of Tyrone's progression last year. Are Tyrone back? We've had 6 poor championships from '10 to '15. No team of the calibre of the champions from '96 to '09. Are Tyrone likely to get back to their high level of '03 to '09 and dominate due to no other team being near that level?" Mayo: I really don't understand why people speak of the likes of Mayo as having blown their chance, they've too many miles on the clock and all that other talk. They've been one of the top 3/4 contenders for the last number of years. They've consistently made semi-finals and finals in that time, losing in close matches. Their big players have plenty of experience but aren't over the hill. The O'Connor's, Lee Keegan, Aidan O'Shea all have a number of years to give. Colm Boyle is a bit older, although I think you can get away with it for longer at centre-back. They have also just won the under 21.
They are contenders. They are not the best team in Ireland, Dublin are, but you don't need to be the best team to win the All Ireland. You need to be capable, you need a bit of luck, you need to play a big game when it matters most. It hasn't happened yet for Mayo but it wouldn't surprise me if it did within the next few years. It can sometimes take teams a bit of time to finally win the big one, Dublin 95 had been close for a while, Armagh 2002, Dublin 2011 the same. The breakthrough doesn't always come straight away. If I were a Mayo fan I'd be encouraged by their recent close runs, not disheartened that they haven't won.
Donegal are not content with their lot but that doesn't mean they'll win another one anytime soon. They seem to have less young blood coming through than Mayo, they could fade out of contention but that won't be for want of trying.
I hope Tyrone are realistic challengers for the next number of years, the juries still out for me though. It'll be interesting to see how they cope when Cavanagh calls it time. Peter Harte looks like a real leader for them. I'm a little surprised they're favourites with the bookies versus Mayo. Not having a consistent free-taker and just generally being wasteful up front could be costly come the business end of things.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 02/08/2016 17:13:54
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Replying To Whammo86: "Mayo: I really don't understand why people speak of the likes of Mayo as having blown their chance, they've too many miles on the clock and all that other talk. They've been one of the top 3/4 contenders for the last number of years. They've consistently made semi-finals and finals in that time, losing in close matches. Their big players have plenty of experience but aren't over the hill. The O'Connor's, Lee Keegan, Aidan O'Shea all have a number of years to give. Colm Boyle is a bit older, although I think you can get away with it for longer at centre-back. They have also just won the under 21.
They are contenders. They are not the best team in Ireland, Dublin are, but you don't need to be the best team to win the All Ireland. You need to be capable, you need a bit of luck, you need to play a big game when it matters most. It hasn't happened yet for Mayo but it wouldn't surprise me if it did within the next few years. It can sometimes take teams a bit of time to finally win the big one, Dublin 95 had been close for a while, Armagh 2002, Dublin 2011 the same. The breakthrough doesn't always come straight away. If I were a Mayo fan I'd be encouraged by their recent close runs, not disheartened that they haven't won.
Donegal are not content with their lot but that doesn't mean they'll win another one anytime soon. They seem to have less young blood coming through than Mayo, they could fade out of contention but that won't be for want of trying.
I hope Tyrone are realistic challengers for the next number of years, the juries still out for me though. It'll be interesting to see how they cope when Cavanagh calls it time. Peter Harte looks like a real leader for them. I'm a little surprised they're favourites with the bookies versus Mayo. Not having a consistent free-taker and just generally being wasteful up front could be costly come the business end of things." True .Mayo are going anywhere. They did just win that U-21s this year. Their last u-21 was in 06 that is the base of half the starting line up still to this day.Mayo are a top four team who have just been injected with a U-21 panel to boost that I would presume in the next 1-3 years.Unlike ourselves we had a decentish team then a winning u-21 team to come in to the panel which is what we have today as a result , a very good team but still not the best. Mayo are far from over the hill. I'm not sure half the people saying those things know of their U21s but they were a fine team in that campaign. And they contained something I have never witnessed in a Mayo team, an ability to never drop the head even when getting hammered. A winning mentality , DOC I think has two all-Ireland medals to his name Minor and U-21 I believe a few others two Coen,Loftus .They have a strong heffer of a full forward who I'm sure will feature next summer.Irwin I believe . Interesting years ahead for Mayo I think , much to the contrary of what others are saying .
GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 02/08/2016 19:05:40
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Replying To superbluedub: "What a load of rubbish,you must be very bored." Any threads started about a county seem to be about Kerry. I can understand after 6 finals in-a-row winning 4 of them between '04 and '09. Even in the middle of a few in the quiet side after neglecting our youth, a number of final appearances and the '14 win has people unsure of what to expect.
I'm not aware of any threads about your region. I'm not interested either.
Mayo and Donegal have a lot of questions to answer. There's usually a challenger. They're in that position and should be under the spotlight for it. 1 All-Ireland between them is poor showing.
Tyrone look to be back. It's fair enough to ask questions of them.
Mayo and Donegal look to have squandered an opportunity for a great history. Will Tyrone do the same?
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 02/08/2016 19:33:17
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Replying To Whammo86: "Mayo: I really don't understand why people speak of the likes of Mayo as having blown their chance, they've too many miles on the clock and all that other talk. They've been one of the top 3/4 contenders for the last number of years. They've consistently made semi-finals and finals in that time, losing in close matches. Their big players have plenty of experience but aren't over the hill. The O'Connor's, Lee Keegan, Aidan O'Shea all have a number of years to give. Colm Boyle is a bit older, although I think you can get away with it for longer at centre-back. They have also just won the under 21.
They are contenders. They are not the best team in Ireland, Dublin are, but you don't need to be the best team to win the All Ireland. You need to be capable, you need a bit of luck, you need to play a big game when it matters most. It hasn't happened yet for Mayo but it wouldn't surprise me if it did within the next few years. It can sometimes take teams a bit of time to finally win the big one, Dublin 95 had been close for a while, Armagh 2002, Dublin 2011 the same. The breakthrough doesn't always come straight away. If I were a Mayo fan I'd be encouraged by their recent close runs, not disheartened that they haven't won.
Donegal are not content with their lot but that doesn't mean they'll win another one anytime soon. They seem to have less young blood coming through than Mayo, they could fade out of contention but that won't be for want of trying.
I hope Tyrone are realistic challengers for the next number of years, the juries still out for me though. It'll be interesting to see how they cope when Cavanagh calls it time. Peter Harte looks like a real leader for them. I'm a little surprised they're favourites with the bookies versus Mayo. Not having a consistent free-taker and just generally being wasteful up front could be costly come the business end of things." I think you will see a long overdue Ulster U-21 championship or 2 heading to the hills over the next few years and hopefully a run at an AI title though Kerry are going to be very strong at the grade also. Donegal have won 2 of the last 3 minor Ulster titles and some say it should be 3 myself included. I think there is a wave of young talent coming through in the county though will probably take a couple of years to see the fruits of it. Though without the right management in place this could always be wasted with Cavan being a prime example of this.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2782 - 02/08/2016 19:38:45
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Replying To legendzxix: "Mayo. When we beat them in '11 I thought they were progressing to challenge for All-Irelands (plural). Two finals and no smoking cigar. Have they blown their chance?
Donegal. Landed the big prize in '12. Are they happy with their lot?
Tyrone. Like our win over Mayo in '11, the signs were there of Tyrone's progression last year. Are Tyrone back? We've had 6 poor championships from '10 to '15. No team of the calibre of the champions from '96 to '09. Are Tyrone likely to get back to their high level of '03 to '09 and dominate due to no other team being near that level?" Why no mention of Dublin or Tipp?
Strong chance 2 of the teams you mentioned wont make a semi while Tipp already have and Dublin must be favorites over donegal
DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 02/08/2016 20:08:22
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Replying To GameOfTyrones: "True .Mayo are going anywhere. They did just win that U-21s this year. Their last u-21 was in 06 that is the base of half the starting line up still to this day.Mayo are a top four team who have just been injected with a U-21 panel to boost that I would presume in the next 1-3 years.Unlike ourselves we had a decentish team then a winning u-21 team to come in to the panel which is what we have today as a result , a very good team but still not the best. Mayo are far from over the hill. I'm not sure half the people saying those things know of their U21s but they were a fine team in that campaign. And they contained something I have never witnessed in a Mayo team, an ability to never drop the head even when getting hammered. A winning mentality , DOC I think has two all-Ireland medals to his name Minor and U-21 I believe a few others two Coen,Loftus .They have a strong heffer of a full forward who I'm sure will feature next summer.Irwin I believe . Interesting years ahead for Mayo I think , much to the contrary of what others are saying ." We are always been told Mayo ate finished. Galway and Roscommon were meant to take over. We might not win Sam this year but it doesn't need to be met with mass hysteria....Mayo will keep coming back.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 02/08/2016 20:30:18
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Replying To DoireCityFC: "Why no mention of Dublin or Tipp?
Strong chance 2 of the teams you mentioned wont make a semi while Tipp already have and Dublin must be favorites over donegal" Fair question. I mention Mayo and Donegal because they were supposed to be the main All-Ireland challengers for a few years. 1 All-Ireland between them is a poor return. Noone's asking them hard questions about it.
I mention Tyrone to highlight if they are back they are unlikely to be as wasteful as Mayo and Donegal.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 02/08/2016 20:33:36
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Replying To legendzxix: "Any threads started about a county seem to be about Kerry. I can understand after 6 finals in-a-row winning 4 of them between '04 and '09. Even in the middle of a few in the quiet side after neglecting our youth, a number of final appearances and the '14 win has people unsure of what to expect.
I'm not aware of any threads about your region. I'm not interested either.
Mayo and Donegal have a lot of questions to answer. There's usually a challenger. They're in that position and should be under the spotlight for it. 1 All-Ireland between them is poor showing.
Tyrone look to be back. It's fair enough to ask questions of them.
Mayo and Donegal look to have squandered an opportunity for a great history. Will Tyrone do the same?" First of all the only thing we have to answer for is that we were guilty of handing ye the 2014 All Ireland on a plate At least we have been able to beat this marvellous Dublin team of the present era something ye can't do or won't do this year.
Ye had a chance to make history, you might not remember it 1982.
Plus Kerry are in a semi final and haven't played a decent team yet. How comes if Tipp are so good they did not beat Kerry in the Munster final. Galway had to be terrible on Sunday seeing how the score board finished. Fair play to Tipp but the next day in C P will be completely different. They might give Mayo a game but can't see them getting to within 10 points of Tyrone.
Plus whoever wins on Sat :Dublin /Donegal would beat Kerry.
So let me remind you -- you have one All Ireland in the last seven years -- similar to ourselves.
SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 02/08/2016 21:27:42
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Replying To SamOnErrigal: "First of all the only thing we have to answer for is that we were guilty of handing ye the 2014 All Ireland on a plate At least we have been able to beat this marvellous Dublin team of the present era something ye can't do or won't do this year.
Ye had a chance to make history, you might not remember it 1982.
Plus Kerry are in a semi final and haven't played a decent team yet. How comes if Tipp are so good they did not beat Kerry in the Munster final. Galway had to be terrible on Sunday seeing how the score board finished. Fair play to Tipp but the next day in C P will be completely different. They might give Mayo a game but can't see them getting to within 10 points of Tyrone.
Plus whoever wins on Sat :Dublin /Donegal would beat Kerry.
So let me remind you -- you have one All Ireland in the last seven years -- similar to ourselves." Like '87 to '96 we're having a few years on the quiet side. Neglecting our youth and all that. Your crowd were supposed to be All-Ireland challengers. 1 All-Ireland seems a poor return especially as there is no great team around like '96 to '09. Ye've squandered a great opportunity for a great moment in ye're history. Mayo likewise. Dreadful challengers. Putting up smokescreens then about a Kerry team having a few years on the quiet side to try and cover up ye're failings. We neglected our youth. Focus on getting ye're own house in order. We're taking responsibility for ours.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 02/08/2016 22:44:25
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Donegal and Tyrone as well as Mayo are not expected to win All Irelands year in year out and if either got 1 All Ireland per 10 years they would be more than pleased. These counties have a real lack of success in football terms if you look at the big picture. The pressure to keep bringing in the trophies is solely on Dublin and Kerry.
As regards to my own county there were always question marks as to whether the county could still compete at the highest level once the greatest team of our life times finally begun to retire, the 03 - 08 team. I for one am overwhelmed that Micky Harte is still going to All Ireland quarter finals, semi finals. When you look at Armagh and their fall from grace Tyrone people are more than happy with our lot.
I wouldn't be so brave to compare our current team to our 03 team but there are similarities in that both outfits have/had players who came of the back of U21 success, full of new blood who don't know much about losing, with the common denominator being Micky Harte. 2016 team reminds me of 2003 team in that it consists of mix of experience but greatly freshened up by new u21 all Ireland medalists.... 03 had Sean Cavanagh, Mugsy, McGuigan, McAnallen, McGinley and so on mixed with Peter Cavanagh, Dooher etc. This team now has new boys like Cathal McShane. Kieran McGeary, C.Meyler, M Bradley, L.Brennan mixed with the elder statesmen of Sean and Colm Cavanagh, A.McCrory.
The fact we're still competing and not out to graze like Armagh is why we're happy enough with our lot. All Ireland success is just the icing on the cake.
cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 03/08/2016 08:43:54
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Replying To cacsmckilly: "Donegal and Tyrone as well as Mayo are not expected to win All Irelands year in year out and if either got 1 All Ireland per 10 years they would be more than pleased. These counties have a real lack of success in football terms if you look at the big picture. The pressure to keep bringing in the trophies is solely on Dublin and Kerry.
As regards to my own county there were always question marks as to whether the county could still compete at the highest level once the greatest team of our life times finally begun to retire, the 03 - 08 team. I for one am overwhelmed that Micky Harte is still going to All Ireland quarter finals, semi finals. When you look at Armagh and their fall from grace Tyrone people are more than happy with our lot.
I wouldn't be so brave to compare our current team to our 03 team but there are similarities in that both outfits have/had players who came of the back of U21 success, full of new blood who don't know much about losing, with the common denominator being Micky Harte. 2016 team reminds me of 2003 team in that it consists of mix of experience but greatly freshened up by new u21 all Ireland medalists.... 03 had Sean Cavanagh, Mugsy, McGuigan, McAnallen, McGinley and so on mixed with Peter Cavanagh, Dooher etc. This team now has new boys like Cathal McShane. Kieran McGeary, C.Meyler, M Bradley, L.Brennan mixed with the elder statesmen of Sean and Colm Cavanagh, A.McCrory.
The fact we're still competing and not out to graze like Armagh is why we're happy enough with our lot. All Ireland success is just the icing on the cake." Blarney talk. Tyrone took on the mantle of challengers like Galway and Meath before them. It's a poor reflection of Mayo and Donegal that they haven't been able to cope with the pressures of being challengers after the '12 final. If ye were up against a great team it might be understandable. The 4 Regions are no better than they were in '05 and '09. Kerry and Tyrone having a few years on the quiet side and the failure of Mayo and Donegal has seen the 4 Regions profit. If Tyrone are back, they won't be as wasteful as Mayo and Donegal.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 03/08/2016 11:55:45
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Replying To SamOnErrigal: "First of all the only thing we have to answer for is that we were guilty of handing ye the 2014 All Ireland on a plate At least we have been able to beat this marvellous Dublin team of the present era something ye can't do or won't do this year.
Ye had a chance to make history, you might not remember it 1982.
Plus Kerry are in a semi final and haven't played a decent team yet. How comes if Tipp are so good they did not beat Kerry in the Munster final. Galway had to be terrible on Sunday seeing how the score board finished. Fair play to Tipp but the next day in C P will be completely different. They might give Mayo a game but can't see them getting to within 10 points of Tyrone.
Plus whoever wins on Sat :Dublin /Donegal would beat Kerry.
So let me remind you -- you have one All Ireland in the last seven years -- similar to ourselves." Donegal handed Kerry nothing, we got our tactics on the day absolutely spot on while Donegal thought they were going to Dublin to collect the cup and forgot there was also a game on.
I'd actually fancy Kerry against Donegal this year. Not so sure about Dublin. We won't know until the end of August of course.
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Replying To legendzxix: "Like '87 to '96 we're having a few years on the quiet side. Neglecting our youth and all that. Your crowd were supposed to be All-Ireland challengers. 1 All-Ireland seems a poor return especially as there is no great team around like '96 to '09. Ye've squandered a great opportunity for a great moment in ye're history. Mayo likewise. Dreadful challengers. Putting up smokescreens then about a Kerry team having a few years on the quiet side to try and cover up ye're failings. We neglected our youth. Focus on getting ye're own house in order. We're taking responsibility for ours."
SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 03/08/2016 20:54:21
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Replying To legendzxix: "Like '87 to '96 we're having a few years on the quiet side. Neglecting our youth and all that. Your crowd were supposed to be All-Ireland challengers. 1 All-Ireland seems a poor return especially as there is no great team around like '96 to '09. Ye've squandered a great opportunity for a great moment in ye're history. Mayo likewise. Dreadful challengers. Putting up smokescreens then about a Kerry team having a few years on the quiet side to try and cover up ye're failings. We neglected our youth. Focus on getting ye're own house in order. We're taking responsibility for ours." I have a feeling you might be staying on the quite side for a lot lot longer than you will like.
How comes you have missed this great Dublin team that is around at present. Are they not as good as some of the great teams you are on about from the late 90's to 2009. Let me tell you another thing --- only for Mayo and Donegal over the last five years Dublin would be going for SIX IN A ROW.
This year is not over yet , no one has won Sam yet. Plenty to look forward to and Sam can still go NORTH EAST WEST OR SOUTH. it's all to play for
SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 03/08/2016 21:02:35
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "Donegal handed Kerry nothing, we got our tactics on the day absolutely spot on while Donegal thought they were going to Dublin to collect the cup and forgot there was also a game on.
I'd actually fancy Kerry against Donegal this year. Not so sure about Dublin. We won't know until the end of August of course." It was Donegal who got it all wrong and our manager that day made a massive mistake with his starting team. Left Paddy McBrearty on the bench and when he did bring him in he fired over two points and Kerry had to switch a different player on him Even a Galway man told me that on leaving CP -- we lost the game on the side line
Plus I have news for the Tyrone lads--a Kerry man I met here n London was at the Div one final, could not see Kerry being beat, was so sure that they would be up for it after the defeat in last year's AI Final.
He has gone on record as saying if Dublin beat Kerry in the AI semi final and Tyrone were to meet Dublin in the final this Kerry man will be shouting for Tyrone. ( of course Mayo Donegal etc are just there to make up numbers)
Can you imagine that --a Kerry man shouting for Tyrone. Of course if you can't beat them join them.
SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 03/08/2016 21:35:40
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Replying To SamOnErrigal: "I have a feeling you might be staying on the quite side for a lot lot longer than you will like.
How comes you have missed this great Dublin team that is around at present. Are they not as good as some of the great teams you are on about from the late 90's to 2009. Let me tell you another thing --- only for Mayo and Donegal over the last five years Dublin would be going for SIX IN A ROW.
This year is not over yet , no one has won Sam yet. Plenty to look forward to and Sam can still go NORTH EAST WEST OR SOUTH. it's all to play for" have to agree with all of the above,its all still to play for.
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 03/08/2016 21:44:28
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