National - Dublin v Tyrone Semi-Final

Replying To TheUsername:  "Funny mate i was out at one of the clubs in Dublin this week and one of the lads were telling me Dublin are creeping up the same number of games unbeaten in the championship as the Kerry team of the 70's and 80's.

Apparently the Kerry team of the 70's/80's went 19 games unbeaten until Offaly, it will be Dublin 17th game wihout defeat (not including replays) against Tyrone on Sunday.

Im tempting fate here i know."
I never really bothered with this games unbeaten stuff

I am sure the team are focused on just winning the next one

Scarabin (Dublin) - Posts:91 - 23/08/2017 10:35:23   2036670

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Replying To Scarabin:  "I never really bothered with this games unbeaten stuff

I am sure the team are focused on just winning the next one"
Dublin to continue on winning path next Sunday.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts:683 - 23/08/2017 11:19:21   2036686

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Replying To GameOfTyrones:  "[quote=GaryMc82:  "I'm excited about this Dublin v Tyrone match, Dublin have have established themselves as the most dominant team of this decade with 4 All Ireland titles, while Tyrone now look set to rejoin the elite top 4 and have an air of confidence about them.

DUBLIN: We already know what Dublin bring, they play with high intensity all over the pitch and with real intelligence. Their exceptional forwards and half forwards mean that opposing teams are reluctant to push out on them, as if the opposition lose possession, it will have a high probability in resulting in a score for Dublin. Dublin's midfield is among the top 3 in the Country, their defence is strong and well drilled. And Cluxton is phenomenal, precision kick-outs and stopping ability.

TYRONE: Mickey has taken time to build this team, and it was time well spent. They previously threatened to make the breakthrough in 2013 and 2015, but last season when they finally managed to beat Donegal was the first time people believed they had something about special about them. Tyrone's problems in recent years hasn't been due to a lack of talent, but rather more to do with them struggling to find the right combination. They have produced exceptional forwards and half forwards within the County, and have worked hard on the defensive side of their game.

MANAGERS: I don't believe Jim Gavin's comments that he hadn't seen Tyrone play since February/March, he is a bit of a cute hoor like that, peddles the whiter than white persona on tv, when privately he and his backroom team have studied all of their key rivals very closely throughout the Championship. Jim Gavin is very competitive, and very professional in his approach, expect no stone to be left unturned. Likewise Mickey Harte will have had one eye on Dublin all year, they are after all the team to beat. He is another buck that has no slows in him, and will provide Dublin with a very thorough tactical examination in this game.

VERDICT: Tyrone by 4 or 5 points - I believe they will bring a level of hunger that Dublin might just struggle to match. The teams are fairly closely matched in when you balance out their attacking and defensive capabilities, kick-out strategies and the fact both have strong benches. Dublin have the experience edge, all of their players have already won All Ireland titles unlike the majority of Tyrone players, but the downside of that might be a lack of hunger in comparison to Tyrone. And I think this might just drive them on that bit harder. Dublin are very hard to beat though, they are strong all over the pitch and Tyrone will need to start well and maintain that focus and discipline throughout the match."
Jesus this looks like a column at the back of the sun.

I like the verdict but wouldn't be putting my money on that margin of victory. If we win at all it surely couldn't be by any more than one or two at best. Dublin haven't lost by 5 points in god knows how many years.

May as well go all out with underdog and throw a tener on McGregor to beat Mayweather/ Tyrone -4 and Mayo to do the job against Kerry. I'll never see that tener again but what harm."]Leave out McGregor and stick your tenner on a Mayo/Tyrone double.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts:1350 - 23/08/2017 11:35:11   2036697

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Jesus this looks like a column at the back of the sun.

I like the verdict but wouldn't be putting my money on that margin of victory. If we win at all it surely couldn't be by any more than one or two at best. Dublin haven't lost by 5 points in god knows how many years.

May as well go all out with underdog and throw a tener on McGregor to beat Mayweather/ Tyrone -4 and Mayo to do the job against Kerry. I'll never see that tener again but what harm.
GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts:415 - 23/08/2017 08:52:55


It is unlikely that you will beat Dublin by 1 or 2 points in Championship. To beat them, you need to rattle them mentally and put them under real pressure entering the final 15-20 minutes, and the only way you will do that is by opening up a 4 or 5 point lead and then frustrating them with your defence. The scoring probability of even straightforward shots reduce dramatically for even the very top teams if they are well behind and struggling as they enter the closing stages of a match. If its only a point or two in it approaching 70 minutes, Dublin will still be composed and will likely level it or win it.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts:2923 - 23/08/2017 12:12:19   2036716

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Replying To Scarabin:  "I never really bothered with this games unbeaten stuff

I am sure the team are focused on just winning the next one"
I tend to agree mate, would rather have the haul of Sams, just thought it was an interesting stat in regard to the debate above about "great teams" etc.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts:836 - 23/08/2017 12:31:27   2036728

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If I may say something that will annoy a lot of people (imagine that!!)

Now I have no way of knowing what way the game will go. Tyrone may win, Dubs may win, we will see Sunday, but.....this thing being bandied about that the teams are well matched...

They are in their holes!

The majority of the Dubs panel have 3-4 All Irelands. Not one or two of them, the majority of them.
Niall Morgan is not matched to Stephen Cluxton with his 4/5 All Stars and his 4 AI medals, plus captaining his country.
None of the Tyrone forwards have ever done anything to put them in the same bracket as Bernard Brogan, Diarmuid Connolly, Paul Flynn etc
(presuming that is that Sean Cav plays at MF of course)
None of them.

Tyrone are a fine team with a legend of the game in MF and another legend of the game in Sean Cav, and they may very well win on Sunday, and best of luck to them if they do, but to say the 2 sides are evenly matched.....
They are in their hole!!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts:7676 - 23/08/2017 12:36:56   2036733

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "If I may say something that will annoy a lot of people (imagine that!!)

Now I have no way of knowing what way the game will go. Tyrone may win, Dubs may win, we will see Sunday, but.....this thing being bandied about that the teams are well matched...

They are in their holes!

The majority of the Dubs panel have 3-4 All Irelands. Not one or two of them, the majority of them.
Niall Morgan is not matched to Stephen Cluxton with his 4/5 All Stars and his 4 AI medals, plus captaining his country.
None of the Tyrone forwards have ever done anything to put them in the same bracket as Bernard Brogan, Diarmuid Connolly, Paul Flynn etc
(presuming that is that Sean Cav plays at MF of course)
None of them.

Tyrone are a fine team with a legend of the game in MF and another legend of the game in Sean Cav, and they may very well win on Sunday, and best of luck to them if they do, but to say the 2 sides are evenly matched.....
They are in their hole!!"
Tyrone are a fine team with a legend of the game in MF and another legend of the game in Sean Cav,

Correction that should read in MH ie Mickey Harte

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts:7676 - 23/08/2017 13:11:02   2036753

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going to throw out a 5 point win for tyrone, with a blistering start to rattle the dubs and put a little doubt into their minds. now waiting for the bs

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts:181 - 23/08/2017 13:20:12   2036757

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "If I may say something that will annoy a lot of people (imagine that!!)

Now I have no way of knowing what way the game will go. Tyrone may win, Dubs may win, we will see Sunday, but.....this thing being bandied about that the teams are well matched...

They are in their holes!

The majority of the Dubs panel have 3-4 All Irelands. Not one or two of them, the majority of them.
Niall Morgan is not matched to Stephen Cluxton with his 4/5 All Stars and his 4 AI medals, plus captaining his country.
None of the Tyrone forwards have ever done anything to put them in the same bracket as Bernard Brogan, Diarmuid Connolly, Paul Flynn etc
(presuming that is that Sean Cav plays at MF of course)
None of them.

Tyrone are a fine team with a legend of the game in MF and another legend of the game in Sean Cav, and they may very well win on Sunday, and best of luck to them if they do, but to say the 2 sides are evenly matched.....
They are in their hole!!"
Hard to disagree with that.

aidan64 (Kerry) - Posts:438 - 23/08/2017 13:30:25   2036765

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "If I may say something that will annoy a lot of people (imagine that!!)

Now I have no way of knowing what way the game will go. Tyrone may win, Dubs may win, we will see Sunday, but.....this thing being bandied about that the teams are well matched...

They are in their holes!

The majority of the Dubs panel have 3-4 All Irelands. Not one or two of them, the majority of them.
Niall Morgan is not matched to Stephen Cluxton with his 4/5 All Stars and his 4 AI medals, plus captaining his country.
None of the Tyrone forwards have ever done anything to put them in the same bracket as Bernard Brogan, Diarmuid Connolly, Paul Flynn etc
(presuming that is that Sean Cav plays at MF of course)
None of them.

Tyrone are a fine team with a legend of the game in MF and another legend of the game in Sean Cav, and they may very well win on Sunday, and best of luck to them if they do, but to say the 2 sides are evenly matched.....
They are in their hole!!"
I don't think the teams are evenly matched.

But. . .

There's actually a chance that none of those 3 forwards start on Sunday - don't think any of them started the Leinster final?

That leaves a (relatively) inexperienced Dublin forward line, even if it's not lacking in quality. And inexperience can cause poor performances especially against a well set up defence.

You mentioned Mickey Harte and I'm convinced he and Tyrone have geared their entire season towards this meeting with Dublin (ala Donegal 2014).
They have kicked long range scores in all their games rather than carry into the tackle or get caught too far forward - even against teams they were much better than.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts:2724 - 23/08/2017 13:47:11   2036778

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Replying To Scarabin:  "I never really bothered with this games unbeaten stuff

I am sure the team are focused on just winning the next one"
Where's Clon when you need him ;) It will be interesting to see the hysteria around that after the last record.

Can't wait for the game on Sunday. Heart says Tyrone, Head says Dublin. I think I will stay on the fence for this one

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts:803 - 23/08/2017 14:09:55   2036791

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I think Mickey will keep Sean C. on the bench from the start...bring him on later in the game....we need young ...fast moving players on from the start ..Sean seems to slow this game plan down ..especially when he comes out around the field...we will need him more at the later stages of this game...when there is space around..and experience needed!

TireoghainLim (Limerick) - Posts:6 - 23/08/2017 15:37:48   2036824

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Replying To TireoghainLim:  "I think Mickey will keep Sean C. on the bench from the start...bring him on later in the game....we need young ...fast moving players on from the start ..Sean seems to slow this game plan down ..especially when he comes out around the field...we will need him more at the later stages of this game...when there is space around..and experience needed!"
His sending off last year against Mayo probably cost Tyrone that game.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts:592 - 23/08/2017 15:51:28   2036831

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "If I may say something that will annoy a lot of people (imagine that!!)

Now I have no way of knowing what way the game will go. Tyrone may win, Dubs may win, we will see Sunday, but.....this thing being bandied about that the teams are well matched...

They are in their holes!

The majority of the Dubs panel have 3-4 All Irelands. Not one or two of them, the majority of them.
Niall Morgan is not matched to Stephen Cluxton with his 4/5 All Stars and his 4 AI medals, plus captaining his country.
None of the Tyrone forwards have ever done anything to put them in the same bracket as Bernard Brogan, Diarmuid Connolly, Paul Flynn etc
(presuming that is that Sean Cav plays at MF of course)
None of them.

Tyrone are a fine team with a legend of the game in MF and another legend of the game in Sean Cav, and they may very well win on Sunday, and best of luck to them if they do, but to say the 2 sides are evenly matched.....
They are in their hole!!"
So, the yardstick for judging a player is the number of All-Ireland medals he has in his pocket - not his ability. Maybe you are right but you would have to feel sympathy for all the great players who never won an All-Ireland medal - they were obviously useless.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts:892 - 23/08/2017 20:22:06   2036909

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