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According to the Irish News Connolly is going to appeal his ban? Is he right?
This saga keeps going.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 12/06/2017 10:37:35
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Replying To The_Fridge: "According to the Irish News Connolly is going to appeal his ban? Is he right?
This saga keeps going." Quite surprised that this is being appealed. Whether you think he was hardly done by or not this is going to rumble on for weeks and no matter what Dublin say it surely can't help their cause with the constant media scrutiny and speculation it's going to bring. Really thought they'd let it go and hope for him to come back for AI Semi should they get there
JJ1 (Kildare) - Posts: 547 - 12/06/2017 11:11:15
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Dublin Gaa are appealing the decision. I would have thought the better decision would be to leave it.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1739 - 12/06/2017 11:22:16
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on appeal can i assume it can be increased? The verbal abuse could be brought into this. Genuinely this is crazy from a Dublin pov
pretender (Meath) - Posts: 358 - 12/06/2017 11:29:12
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Bad idea.... Let it go
Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 12/06/2017 11:37:25
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Replying To pretender: "on appeal can i assume it can be increased? The verbal abuse could be brought into this. Genuinely this is crazy from a Dublin pov" They know it won't be increased if the appeal fails. They probably see it as a free kick. If it works great, if it doesn't he was getting suspended anyway. Wonder why it took so long to come out into the open?
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 12/06/2017 11:42:22
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Replying To kildare73: "They know it won't be increased if the appeal fails. They probably see it as a free kick. If it works great, if it doesn't he was getting suspended anyway. Wonder why it took so long to come out into the open?" i would say some of the players are getting sick of it. This is getting way too much attention,
pretender (Meath) - Posts: 358 - 12/06/2017 11:52:35
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Replying To pretender: "on appeal can i assume it can be increased? The verbal abuse could be brought into this. Genuinely this is crazy from a Dublin pov" Nothing to lose by appealing it.
They shouldn't bother but there is no real reason not to.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13706 - 12/06/2017 12:06:43
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Only the 4th Diarmuid Connolly topic on the national forum in 8 days...
Listen.. I was very harsh on Connolly on the Dublin page. Fairly laid into him. The jist of my points haven't changed with regards his discipline.
Irrespective of what happens here, The GAA simply have to do something with regards the rules be it game ban or week ban.
If we are going by the letter of the law, Should Connolly get a 12 week ban ? Absolutely.
However there is a grey area for me.
If Diarmuid Connolly gets sent off at the time, he misses Dublins next game against Westmeath/Offaly. As far as I know he can still train with the team am I right in saying that ?
Where this stinks for me, is the fact that if a referee clearly sees and decides not to act in real time (and If its a case that somehow he didn't despite cameras showing he did, the linesman didn't speak up either) .. They can take Connolly to task afterwards, and instead of a one game ban for a red card, Its a 12 week ban which also includes training with your team mates. A much, much more serious punishment.
Irrespective what happens, that rule absolutely has to change, or at least have consistent punishments... weeks or games, but it cant be both. Its either black, or its white.
As Joe Brolly rightly asked in his column on Connolly yesterday, There is just something suspicious about this. Forget all Diarmuids actions before and treat this incident on its individual merits.
Why did the standby referee not deal with it at the time? Why did he not say to the referee (who was standing beside him), "Dublin number 11 has just laid a hand on me, it's a red card". How did the referee not see it himself? How could it be that the linesman only realised after the game that an offence had occurred? After all, there was a natural break in the play as the incident unfolded. There was a delay before the sideline was taken. All the protagonists were on the spot. It was an unmistakeable event.
So, why didn't the officials react? When did the linesman recall the incident? When did he first form the view that Connolly's conduct crossed the line? Why was it only discussed for the first time after the game was over? When exactly was it discussed? Were the officials in contact with anyone else about the issue prior to the allegation ending up in the referee's report? Had they been made aware of the media furore?
They are fair questions to ask. Connolly should have seen red in real time, But if the ref/linesman decide not to act, its not fair to give the guy a much more serious punishment afterwards.
The talk of a witch-hunt is silly, There is no DC witch hunt, But there is absolutely reason enough for Diarmuid to ask those questions.
Will he win the appeal ? Well, he wont be cleared of wrong doing, he may get the ban reduced, but not overturned.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 12/06/2017 12:08:06
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Replying To pretender: "i would say some of the players are getting sick of it. This is getting way too much attention," Its to do with Diarmuid Connolly and the DCB.
Dublin management and players will just get on with preparing for their next game ? Why would you think its any distraction on the rest of the team/management ?
Diarmuid is a brilliant player, But Dublin aren't exactly lacking quality players.
Just cause the media are talking about it and us on public forums doesn't mean it affects the mentality of the group. Its lazy to suggest it would just because it suits some peoples agenda that Connolly appeals is some kind of huge distraction. It isn't.
Absolute myth to think the Dublin panel will let stuff like this make them lower their guard.
And with the greatest of respect in the world, Connolly has appealed suspensions before ahead of much much bigger games against much better teams in a more pressurized environment, and not only have we went on to win the games thereafter, but we done so with a swagger.
Irrespective of this appeal, Everybody in the Dublin camp will just continue as normal, and none of this outside business will bother them.
Its Offaly/Westmeath next. Potentially Kildare/Meath 3 weeks after that
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 12/06/2017 12:14:56
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The only thing that may mitigate against Conolly in appealing this is if he is up in front of a hearing later in the year. It may burn his sympathy for more important times ahead.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 12/06/2017 12:26:04
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So it begs the question. . .
Where does the DCB stand with regards respect for officials?
They are letting themselves down by appealing this IMO.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 12/06/2017 12:27:11
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Can't believe he was banned in the first place. He did nothing, he was horsed out over the line by three lads (don't think they did a lot wrong either). It is a physical game and to see him banned for this is just weird.
slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 12/06/2017 12:47:13
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Replying To MesAmis: "Nothing to lose by appealing it.
They shouldn't bother but there is no real reason not to." Plenty to lose because if it goes through a few weeks of appeals, which is likely, and it's upheld he'll then miss any potential AI semi and final should Dublin reach that stage.
Also has to have a negative impact of some sort on Dublin panel and managment with the inevitable media frenzy surrounding it
JJ1 (Kildare) - Posts: 547 - 12/06/2017 12:47:37
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Replying To waynoI: "Only the 4th Diarmuid Connolly topic on the national forum in 8 days...
Listen.. I was very harsh on Connolly on the Dublin page. Fairly laid into him. The jist of my points haven't changed with regards his discipline.
Irrespective of what happens here, The GAA simply have to do something with regards the rules be it game ban or week ban.
If we are going by the letter of the law, Should Connolly get a 12 week ban ? Absolutely.
However there is a grey area for me.
If Diarmuid Connolly gets sent off at the time, he misses Dublins next game against Westmeath/Offaly. As far as I know he can still train with the team am I right in saying that ?
Where this stinks for me, is the fact that if a referee clearly sees and decides not to act in real time (and If its a case that somehow he didn't despite cameras showing he did, the linesman didn't speak up either) .. They can take Connolly to task afterwards, and instead of a one game ban for a red card, Its a 12 week ban which also includes training with your team mates. A much, much more serious punishment.
Irrespective what happens, that rule absolutely has to change, or at least have consistent punishments... weeks or games, but it cant be both. Its either black, or its white.
As Joe Brolly rightly asked in his column on Connolly yesterday, There is just something suspicious about this. Forget all Diarmuids actions before and treat this incident on its individual merits.
Why did the standby referee not deal with it at the time? Why did he not say to the referee (who was standing beside him), "Dublin number 11 has just laid a hand on me, it's a red card". How did the referee not see it himself? How could it be that the linesman only realised after the game that an offence had occurred? After all, there was a natural break in the play as the incident unfolded. There was a delay before the sideline was taken. All the protagonists were on the spot. It was an unmistakeable event.
So, why didn't the officials react? When did the linesman recall the incident? When did he first form the view that Connolly's conduct crossed the line? Why was it only discussed for the first time after the game was over? When exactly was it discussed? Were the officials in contact with anyone else about the issue prior to the allegation ending up in the referee's report? Had they been made aware of the media furore?
They are fair questions to ask. Connolly should have seen red in real time, But if the ref/linesman decide not to act, its not fair to give the guy a much more serious punishment afterwards.
The talk of a witch-hunt is silly, There is no DC witch hunt, But there is absolutely reason enough for Diarmuid to ask those questions.
Will he win the appeal ? Well, he wont be cleared of wrong doing, he may get the ban reduced, but not overturned." I'm no expert but as far as I know there's no room to reduce the ban. It's 12 weeks minimum so it's that or nothing. Having it completely overturned would be complete joke because we saw what happened on TV. Brolly is engaging in semantics but that's his stock and trade given his profession. I agree too, I don't think it will have any effect whatsoever on the Dublin squad. They will train and focus with or without Connolly. Huge test for the GAA rules coming up, if it doesn't hold up then the whole area of discipline will have to to be revisited because far too many of these types of cases are arising now.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 12/06/2017 12:57:01
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im no expert either but surely it looks as suspicious as they come how the incident went unpunished by two officials and then ended up in a match report, they cant make up their own rules just because the officials didnt take action at the time when they seen it
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 12/06/2017 13:12:24
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Replying To waynoI: "Only the 4th Diarmuid Connolly topic on the national forum in 8 days...
Listen.. I was very harsh on Connolly on the Dublin page. Fairly laid into him. The jist of my points haven't changed with regards his discipline.
Irrespective of what happens here, The GAA simply have to do something with regards the rules be it game ban or week ban.
If we are going by the letter of the law, Should Connolly get a 12 week ban ? Absolutely.
However there is a grey area for me.
If Diarmuid Connolly gets sent off at the time, he misses Dublins next game against Westmeath/Offaly. As far as I know he can still train with the team am I right in saying that ?
Where this stinks for me, is the fact that if a referee clearly sees and decides not to act in real time (and If its a case that somehow he didn't despite cameras showing he did, the linesman didn't speak up either) .. They can take Connolly to task afterwards, and instead of a one game ban for a red card, Its a 12 week ban which also includes training with your team mates. A much, much more serious punishment.
Irrespective what happens, that rule absolutely has to change, or at least have consistent punishments... weeks or games, but it cant be both. Its either black, or its white.
As Joe Brolly rightly asked in his column on Connolly yesterday, There is just something suspicious about this. Forget all Diarmuids actions before and treat this incident on its individual merits.
Why did the standby referee not deal with it at the time? Why did he not say to the referee (who was standing beside him), "Dublin number 11 has just laid a hand on me, it's a red card". How did the referee not see it himself? How could it be that the linesman only realised after the game that an offence had occurred? After all, there was a natural break in the play as the incident unfolded. There was a delay before the sideline was taken. All the protagonists were on the spot. It was an unmistakeable event.
So, why didn't the officials react? When did the linesman recall the incident? When did he first form the view that Connolly's conduct crossed the line? Why was it only discussed for the first time after the game was over? When exactly was it discussed? Were the officials in contact with anyone else about the issue prior to the allegation ending up in the referee's report? Had they been made aware of the media furore?
They are fair questions to ask. Connolly should have seen red in real time, But if the ref/linesman decide not to act, its not fair to give the guy a much more serious punishment afterwards.
The talk of a witch-hunt is silly, There is no DC witch hunt, But there is absolutely reason enough for Diarmuid to ask those questions.
Will he win the appeal ? Well, he wont be cleared of wrong doing, he may get the ban reduced, but not overturned." This has been my issue all along, i have no problem with a 12 week ban for the breach of the rule, but the sue process around this is worst very murky at best needs to be clarified to ensure no breach to the rules happened.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 12/06/2017 13:48:28
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Brolly may be engaging in semantics, but it was similar semantics he used to highlight the stupidity of the ban in the Matthew Fitzpatrick case a while ago, which was also, by the letter of the GAA laws, the minimum suspension allowable in that case.
As I see it there are two main problems for Dublin in the whole affair.
Firstly, as Brolly pointed out, is the question of how something that was witnessed by two experienced officials and deemed not worthy of action at the time, and then deemed not worthy of mention in the referees report, was somehow added as an addendum to the refs report with no input from anyone but the officials involved. It smacks of the great Irish tradition of someone trying to pull a stroke and hoping nobody questions it. Something similar was at play in the Brendan O Sullivan case recently, and when the s**t hit the fan the only one left with egg on their face was the player. not the people at whatever level that tried to hide it.
Secondly, and more importantly from a Dublin point of view is the type of ban involved. If Connolly had simply been banned from playing for 12 weeks I think it would have been accepted, but a ban on ALL GAA activity effectively ends his season. No player, not even one as talented as DC, can miss out on 12 weeks of training as part of a group and tactical preparations and then just step back into the team. Realistically its a shot to nothing for the Dublin co board and the player, as if he doesn't win the appeal his season is as good as over.
AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 12/06/2017 13:58:33
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Was it announced last week that there would not be an appeal? Genuine question. I think it was announced but now not sure. If so why the change of mind?
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Plenty to lose because if it goes through a few weeks of appeals, which is likely, and it's upheld he'll then miss any potential AI semi and final should Dublin reach that stage.
Also has to have a negative impact of some sort on Dublin panel and managment with the inevitable media frenzy surrounding it
JJ1 (Kildare) - Posts:490 - 12/06/2017 12:47:37
I don't see how he'd miss the potential semi-final if his ban is upheld.
There has been no negative impact upon the rest of the squad the other two times that this has happened. Prior to the All-Ireland Final 2011 and the All-Ireland Semi-Final Replay in 2015. Two games Dublin won.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13706 - 12/06/2017 14:12:54
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