1. Dublin - 9pts
2. Donegal - 8pts
3. Monghan - 8.pts
4. Tyrone - 7pts.
5. Mayo - 6pts
6. Kerry - 6pts

Okay lets clear something up ..

Because Dublin travel to Clones to face Monaghan, any potential result in that game will rule Kerry and Mayo out, So they cant qualify from here, period.

Dublin win, And they qualify on 11 pts with Monaghan on 8, however, based on head to head, Monaghan will finish above both Kerry and Mayo as Monaghan have beaten both in this years league campaign. A draw will put Dublin through because they will have drawn with all 3 sides below them (Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal) and their score difference is far superior.

So, With Kerry and Mayo out of the equation, Lets focus on the other 4.

Dublin will qualify if..
- They avoid defeat in Clones
- However, a defeat can still see Gavins men through, providing Donegal lose in Castlebar against Mayo. (Unless Tyrone turn around a 31pt score difference, ie, Dublin lose by 20, Tyrone win by 11.... Dublin lose by 14, Tyrone win by 17 etc)

Monaghan will qualify if..
- They beat Dublin
- They draw with the Dubs, Mayo beat Donegal and Kerry avoid defeat against Tyrone

Defeat for Monaghan against the Dubs and irrespective of any other result, they will fail to qualify

Donegal will qualify if...
- They beat Mayo
- They draw with Mayo, and Dublin avoid defeat in Clones.
- If they lose, Dublin win, and Tyrone fail to win in Killarney


Tyrone will qualify if.....
- They win, Dublin beat Monaghan, and Mayo beat Donegal.


There yiz go, think that's all the permutations done, I'm going for a lie down..

Cheers!

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 27/03/2017 12:29:30    1971735

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 27/03/2017 12:45:04    1971752

**** that!!

scrap everything I just said then,

I really need that lie down

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 27/03/2017 12:47:48    1971754

Complicated stuff. Let me simplify it as far as Monaghan are concerned, we are in the league semi-final at home to Dublin in Clones. Where else would we want to be.

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 27/03/2017 12:51:20    1971758

Yea. Head to head counts if there's only 2 teams involved.
Any more, and its score difference.

OffalyBigBall (Offaly) - Posts: 625 - 27/03/2017 12:59:29    1971766

There are so many variables here it's astonishing.

Likeliest outcome would be Donegal v Dublin courtesy of both winning or Donegal winning and dub drawing.

Next would be Kerry v dublin if Kerry win and we lose and Dublin win.

Next would be Monaghan v Dublin if Monaghan win and DL lose.

Next would be Monaghan v Donegal if both win.

If Tyrone beat Kerry they need both Donegal and Monaghan to lose or DL to lose and Monaghan to at best draw and can only face Dublin if this happens.

Mayo in final would be almost impossible as points difference is enormous. Kerry can only play the dubs.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 27/03/2017 13:02:06    1971767

So there is an outside chance of us getting to a final still?

Can't see it happening, what a disappointing few weeks from the Kingdom's perspective, really we could/should have won every one of those 6 games and yet we keep throwing away leads.

It's become a very worrying trend with this team :(

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 27/03/2017 13:25:05    1971785

They should really change it to three points for the win, given the madness of being able to get to the final but also relegated depending on your result.

Similarly last year Cork went down on the same points as others.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 27/03/2017 13:33:57    1971792

I posted a less sexy version of possible events on the prediction thread if its any good.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 27/03/2017 13:45:55    1971796

I posted this on another thread but...

I actually hope we don't beat Kerry this weekend!

If we do and if Mayo beat Donegal (possible) and Dublin beat Monaghan (probable) then we will make the final and it will paper over all the cracks again.

I think this has been the problem for Tyrone over the past few years. We have actually over achieved and it has made us look better than we actually are.

Drastic action needs to be taken if we want to make the next step and become serious All Ireland contenders.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 27/03/2017 14:14:36    1971815

unbelievable the amount of posters who are on these forums who can't get their heads around simple match or how head to head works.

I wonder as these the same people who think they actually know the rules of the game and spend their time screaming at refs and opposition players. I mean if you can't fathom how the league positions work , I'm sure you can't fathom the rules of the game.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 27/03/2017 14:44:43    1971830

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 27/03/2017 15:31:29    1971861

Just wondering who, if any, of the chasing pack would want to meet the Dubs in the final. I know we have a better chance of being relegated than qualifying for the final but to be honest I'm glad we won't be going up against Dublin in the near future. Cork and Derry have suffered big defeats in the final in the last few years and have suffered as a result. Losing by ten or fifteen points in a league final doesn't exactly inspire confidence for the championship.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 27/03/2017 20:34:26    1972017

I honestly think it will be a Dublin v Tyrone Final.
Mayo need to win and with that you would expect a big show at home on Sunday against a Donegal team with a raft of U21 players who will be playing their third Wednesday in a row this week on top of their NFL games. Ryan Mc Hugh is out, Neil Mc Gee and Frank Mc Glynn are questionable and Paddy Mc Brearty looked very rusty yesterday.
I expect Dublin to win against Monaghan but only just as they haven't been great on the road this year and especially against defensive teams however they have almost all their players back and looked very good at the weekend.
Tyrone will want to prove they are contenders and always lift their game v Kerry. They will snuff the life out of Paul Geaney but will they get enough scores. I expect them to win by the minimum.
Result - Dublin v Tyrone

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 27/03/2017 21:39:42    1972049

Delighted Mayo won't make the final, bad enough getting hammered v Dublin 3 weeks ago never mind getting the same dose 5 weeks later in the final

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 27/03/2017 22:06:18    1972064

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 28/03/2017 01:35:03    1972107

I think it is going to be ourselves against Dublin in the final. I think that our lads are showing great hunger this year and went for the winning score when monaghan got the goal yesterday. We didnt get it obviously but we had the hunger to risk all. When we play mayo, mayo have nothing to play for and are safe from the drop. They will most likely be experimenting with lads and our lads will be trying to get the win for a final spot.
Donegalman (All) - Posts:2826 - 28/03/2017 01:35:03

Mayo have it all to play for as they can still be relegated.

If Donegal beat Mayo, Kerry don't lose to Tyrone and Cavan beat Roscommon, both Mayo and Cavan will be on 6 points whereas Kerry will be safe on 7/8 points. Mayo would be relegated on their head to head record having lost to Cavan in Castlebar.

If Mayo lose, Kerry lose and Cavan win all three teams will be on 6 points and Cavan are likely to be relegated on points difference as they're on -20 at the moment whereas Kerry's is +6 and Mayo's stands at -5. Cavan would need a huge win with either Mayo or Kerry being hammered to keep them up in this scenario.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 28/03/2017 08:09:38    1972123

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 28/03/2017 08:56:20    1972136

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 28/03/2017 09:12:55    1972138

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 28/03/2017 12:24:28    1972205