National - Division 2 2017

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Yeah six points will go long way I a division where everyone will take points off everyone else. Its tight, Meath will have ups and downs, ao will every other county. Focus on winning 3/4 home matches and see what happens."
royaldunne, Meath's performances against Ulster teams has been quite poor in recent years. How Meath get on against Fermanagh, Derry and Down will I feel be a big factor in whether Meath get promoted or not.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts:2726 - 19/01/2017 18:35:14   1947113

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Meath are outrageous value there considering they are absolute certainties for promotion. Wish I had a mortgage to put on them."
Ah be serious now, Cavan man parting with money, best to stay living with mammy

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts:934 - 19/01/2017 19:00:22   1947120

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Replying To lilywhite1:  "royaldunne, Meath's performances against Ulster teams has been quite poor in recent years. How Meath get on against Fermanagh, Derry and Down will I feel be a big factor in whether Meath get promoted or not."
Yeah that is true. Down might be exception as they remain a traditional type of team, (not much ultra defense) which has lead to good games between two of them. Derry? Well we had them beat all ends up last year and we imploded, and we know what went on after final whistle ( which was WRONG ) mod mightn't have worked out but he didn't set out to be like that. I think Andy and co will want to go to Derry and leave a marker down, wont be was by any means, I would say Fermanagh would fancy their chances in navan. Very tight game

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:11965 - 19/01/2017 19:07:38   1947125

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Replying To lilywhite1:  "royaldunne, Meath's performances against Ulster teams has been quite poor in recent years. How Meath get on against Fermanagh, Derry and Down will I feel be a big factor in whether Meath get promoted or not."
Teams who play blanket Meath seriously struggle with.Main reason behind that is because not many inside can win dirty ball.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:8307 - 19/01/2017 19:13:19   1947129

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Replying To seadog54:  "Ah be serious now, Cavan man parting with money, best to stay living with mammy"
Hehehe. 10/10

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:11965 - 19/01/2017 19:41:01   1947135

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Yeah that is true. Down might be exception as they remain a traditional type of team, (not much ultra defense) which has lead to good games between two of them. Derry? Well we had them beat all ends up last year and we imploded, and we know what went on after final whistle ( which was WRONG ) mod mightn't have worked out but he didn't set out to be like that. I think Andy and co will want to go to Derry and leave a marker down, wont be was by any means, I would say Fermanagh would fancy their chances in navan. Very tight game"
Have we not Derry at home?

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:8307 - 19/01/2017 20:30:39   1947151

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "Have we not Derry at home?"
Sorry you are right, they are at home, getting me derrys and downs mixed up :)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:11965 - 19/01/2017 21:12:14   1947173

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Replying To lilywhite1:  "royaldunne, Meath's performances against Ulster teams has been quite poor in recent years. How Meath get on against Fermanagh, Derry and Down will I feel be a big factor in whether Meath get promoted or not."
Yes you have a point, crucially we have two of the three teams you mention at home which I hope will work in our favour. As I mentioned before though the real determining factor I feel is how we start the league more than how we finish. With three of our first four games at home we must reach the midway point with at least 6 points to be real promotion contenders, after that we have Cork, Fermanagh and Clare and I'd fancy us to get 3-4 points there which could see us through, I hope.......

Richieq (Meath) - Posts:2954 - 19/01/2017 21:16:40   1947174

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Id agree with that, Meath dont usually get 4 home games, 6 points is what is needed from them and I think that's realistic, gotmilk will faint when je reads this but I am wary of Fermanagh in navan.
Also Clare away on last day could be win and go up, if we were to get something in newry then its a cert we would be promoted. Look not a ball kicked yet so all anyone can do is speculate , however we have the ability in majority of players, (the first half performances over last number of years proved this) but the second halves were a disaster. Mental toughness is andys biggest challenge. Sort that and 6 points from home games should set us up for a interesting run in"
I believe it changes year on year. 4 home then 3 away. Visa versa the next.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts:873 - 19/01/2017 21:25:42   1947177

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "I believe it changes year on year. 4 home then 3 away. Visa versa the next."
Actually 3 years running we had 3 home, I dont know how it worked out like that but it happened. Thankfully past 3 years its been different

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:11965 - 19/01/2017 21:38:56   1947183

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Cant see Meath being promoted, in fact if it wasnt such a poor div 2 this year I would be tipping them for relagation.

giveballaghback (Roscommon) - Posts:289 - 19/01/2017 22:05:36   1947193

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If certain fellow Meath posters want to monopolise all Division 2 talk about Meath, then surely it should be taken to the Meath forum. Isn't that what the county forums are for? As much as I'd like to see Meath promoted, it's too soon. Too soon for new management to make any huge impact, and as we seen against Laois the second half traits from under MOD haven't gone away. The second half collapses predate MOD as was already pointed out, and the problem runs alot deeper than management. The issue will take alot more time to resolve. Expect alot more Meath second half collapses this year

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts:4085 - 19/01/2017 22:14:05   1947198

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Replying To 32_4_1:  "If certain fellow Meath posters want to monopolise all Division 2 talk about Meath, then surely it should be taken to the Meath forum. Isn't that what the county forums are for? As much as I'd like to see Meath promoted, it's too soon. Too soon for new management to make any huge impact, and as we seen against Laois the second half traits from under MOD haven't gone away. The second half collapses predate MOD as was already pointed out, and the problem runs alot deeper than management. The issue will take alot more time to resolve. Expect alot more Meath second half collapses this year"
Since she has been leading by 3 points at ht and drawing a game become known as a second half collapse??
I'm curious,there was a couple of articles written by lazy jounos about a collapse. There was no second half collapse. It might be wiser to attend these games then write a piece by following twitter or something.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:11965 - 20/01/2017 00:40:18   1947219

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Since she has been leading by 3 points at ht and drawing a game become known as a second half collapse??
I'm curious,there was a couple of articles written by lazy jounos about a collapse. There was no second half collapse. It might be wiser to attend these games then write a piece by following twitter or something."
Ye even worse, not only are we conceding big second half leads, we're now conceding big first half leads. So 8 up at one point, to being down 2 going into injury time and being saved by a dodgy penalty. Ye it seems we've really turned a corner in handing up big leads. Scrapping the barrel with semantics royal dunne i.e trying to down play how far we were ahead with the half time score. A team full of kids

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts:4085 - 20/01/2017 13:12:30   1947340

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Its very difficult to predict as in the last years the best teams haven't been promoted, its been the teams who've taken it as serious as the championship and have peaked too early which is what happened to Down, Roscommon & Cavan. Down haven't won a championship game since been promoted 2 years ago and since Roscommon were promoted they have only beaten New York, London, Cavan & Sligo. Cavan last year beat Armagh & Carlow in the championship whilst suffering defeat to Tyrone & Derry.

On paper Galway & Cork have the best 2 panels but both sides have obvious inconsistencies. You can just never know what to expect with Cork as man above me have commented and I don't expect Kevin Walsh to take the league as serious as someone like Andy McEntee who sounds like he's place a huge emphasis on the league. Galway won't have the Corofin contingent available in the earlier games either which will deny them 4 players who probably would be starting and another couple who would be on the bench.

Apart from Clare I can make a case for everyone but if I have to make a prediction I'll go for Cork & Galway although won't be surprised if it doesn't happen. I'd expect 10 points to be good to gain promotion and possibly even 9 and like in previous years there's bound to be a few draws as so many teams will be evenly matched this time of year.

TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts:528 - 20/01/2017 13:51:00   1947349

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Same Laois team got hockeyed off the field mid week in a challenge v mayo not till week 3 of league will any county know how there shaping up.

OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts:921 - 20/01/2017 14:39:49   1947373

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Replying To TheWestIsAwake:  "Its very difficult to predict as in the last years the best teams haven't been promoted, its been the teams who've taken it as serious as the championship and have peaked too early which is what happened to Down, Roscommon & Cavan. Down haven't won a championship game since been promoted 2 years ago and since Roscommon were promoted they have only beaten New York, London, Cavan & Sligo. Cavan last year beat Armagh & Carlow in the championship whilst suffering defeat to Tyrone & Derry.

On paper Galway & Cork have the best 2 panels but both sides have obvious inconsistencies. You can just never know what to expect with Cork as man above me have commented and I don't expect Kevin Walsh to take the league as serious as someone like Andy McEntee who sounds like he's place a huge emphasis on the league. Galway won't have the Corofin contingent available in the earlier games either which will deny them 4 players who probably would be starting and another couple who would be on the bench.

Apart from Clare I can make a case for everyone but if I have to make a prediction I'll go for Cork & Galway although won't be surprised if it doesn't happen. I'd expect 10 points to be good to gain promotion and possibly even 9 and like in previous years there's bound to be a few draws as so many teams will be evenly matched this time of year."
From a Kildare perspective I hope that we will have something to play for when we meet Galway (again) in the last game of the league. To stay up will be the Kildare objective. If it did come to pass that we got promotion, I think that it would be a year too soon as we have such a young team. Another year in Division 2 wouldn't be a disaster.
I agree with you TheWesistAwake that it will probably be between Galway and Cork for promotion, with Meath also in the mix especially if they beat one or both of Galway and Cork.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts:2726 - 20/01/2017 14:56:28   1947378

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Hehehe. 10/10"
Dylan Moran and Tommy Tiernan must've got all the wit in Meath.

Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts:11310 - 20/01/2017 15:53:33   1947384

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I can't help wondering if some teams in D2 are scared of promotion and would rather settle for a mid-table position. It''s a big step up in standard in D1 and you need depth in your panel that many D2 teams just don't have.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts:959 - 20/01/2017 16:17:33   1947392

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1 derry
2 galway
3 fermanagh
4 cork
5 kildare
6 Down
7 meath
8 Clare.

meath or down could finish ahead of Kildare

bisto kid (Cavan) - Posts:489 - 20/01/2017 22:19:09   1947482

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