By Cliona Foley
Friday May 04 2012

MAYO discussed the possibility of lodging a formal complaint to Croke Park about how one of their injured players was manhandled by a Cork opponent last weekend.

But they have decided against it because they did not want it to be misinterpreted as sour grapes after their Division 1 Allianz League final loss to the Rebels.

Mayo were furious about the incident and felt it was a potentially dangerous situation.

It occurred when Donal Vaughan went to ground and appeared to have taken an accidental knock to the head from a stray elbow or boot.

Cork defender Noel O'Leary, believing Vaughan was feigning injury, tried to pull him up off the ground before one of his team-mates intervened and stopped him.

The Rebel defender received heavy post-match criticism for the way in which he manhandled an injured opponent before he had been attended by team medics.

Mayo were particularly annoyed that RTE's highlight package did not mention it, but instead saw Joe Brolly berate Vaughan for alleged 'diving' later in the game. But they have decided that a complaint could be misinterpreted and have decided to let the matter rest.



- Cliona Foley

Irish Independent

Cute_Kerry_Hoor (Kerry) - Posts: 2518 - 04/05/2012 10:04:58    1165814

Cute_Kerry_Hoor
I must say I think they have a point. It was potentially very dangerous considering the type of knock he had taken. Maybe o'leary didnt see it, im not blaming him, but surely the gaa should act now to stop it happening again and somebody getting badly hurt.
Has o'leary made any comment on it at all?

As regards brolly, who listens to him anyway?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 04/05/2012 11:42:19    1165885

I agree The Master, the GAA should've brought it up in some form, not necessarily to take action against O' Leary because I don't think he saw what happened.

With regards to Brolly and RTÉ, they only see what they want to see and what fits their own agenda.

Cute_Kerry_Hoor (Kerry) - Posts: 2518 - 04/05/2012 11:57:49    1165897

whether o'leary saw what happened or not he should not have manhandled the player on the ground......................however if he didn't see what happened then that makes the incident all the more serious.

Gammy_Knee (USA) - Posts: 1482 - 04/05/2012 12:05:01    1165901

Ohh they decided against lodging a formal complaint because they don't want to be seen as sore losers but then they run to the newspapers about it!

No-one from cork said anything when Vaughan got Mark Collins sent off by diving in the earlier game, luckily cheating did not prosper and Cork squeezed a victory.
If mayo think diving is what will win them an AI after 50 years well theyve gotten really desperate. I hope Brolly continues to highlight their cheating.

Redfoot (Cork) - Posts: 388 - 04/05/2012 12:49:53    1165938

I thought what Brolly said was nasty. Vaughan was constantly provoked by Cork players after he picked up an early yellow. Just look at the wrestling incident with Canty. He was manhandled by O Leary. Cadogan pushed him in the throat and he went down. He went down to a) to get protection from the ref and b) to show the Cork players he would go down if this happened and get them in trouble.

Face it guys, this gamesmanship is part of almost every sport at every level. Happens all the time in club where aw guy will lash out, miss and the guy he makes contact with goes down. And of course Mayo went to the papers. Do you think they'll get many 50-50 decisions come summer if St. Brolly has put it out there that they're divers? They have to fight their own corner. Cork, Dublin, Kerry and Tyrone do.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 04/05/2012 13:17:08    1165954

No-one from cork said anything when Vaughan got Mark Collins sent off by diving in the earlier game, luckily cheating did not prosper and Cork squeezed a victory.

Did they say anything when canty wrestled vaughan to the ground and pulled him onto himself, holding him in a headlock, when he knew the guy was on a yellow card? Speaking of the yellow card, what did they make of cadogan getting his hair grazed with an arm and going down holding his forehead? If cheaters dont prosper then cork wont be winning an all ireland, in fact nobody will.
Also, 'nobody said anything' arent you just after saying it?


If mayo think diving is what will win them an AI after 50 years well theyve gotten really desperate. I hope Brolly continues to highlight their cheating

Yes let him do it, but let him do it for everyone else aswell. He talks about respect for the game and opposition, but in a county newspaper this week noel connelly mentioned a game between derry and mayo, where brolly played in a pair of tracksuit bottoms, and then he talks about respect? He was breaking his back to fawn over tyrone when they were going well a few years back, even though the whole lot of them were diving around the place for the entire championship. He expressed how good a side kerry were on the same show he berated mayo, yet darren o'sullivan alone showed as much gamesmanship in the league semi-final as the entire mayo team did in the final. There is just no consistancy. The truth is brolly is doing with this issue what he did with the issue of cork's style of play a while back. He is overreacting to get a response and create a bit of a furore. But do we really want that type of nonsense in out pundits? Should it be a soap opera or just honest analysis?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 04/05/2012 14:43:40    1166028

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Yes let him do it, but let him do it for everyone else aswell. He talks about respect for the game and opposition, but in a county newspaper this week noel connelly mentioned a game between derry and mayo, where brolly played in a pair of tracksuit bottoms, and then he talks about respect? He was breaking his back to fawn over tyrone when they were going well a few years back, even though the whole lot of them were diving around the place for the entire championship. He expressed how good a side kerry were on the same show he berated mayo, yet darren o'sullivan alone showed as much gamesmanship in the league semi-final as the entire mayo team did in the final. There is just no consistancy. The truth is brolly is doing with this issue what he did with the issue of cork's style of play a while back. He is overreacting to get a response and create a bit of a furore. But do we really want that type of nonsense in out pundits? Should it be a soap opera or just honest analysis?

Do you realise how much constantly saying this undemines the argument you are making? All that statement reads as is: "I'm hugely biased in this discussion and wont accept a different viewpoint".

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12494 - 04/05/2012 14:55:40    1166046

Mayo talk about not having sour grapes over the game yet that press release reeks of it, invective language towards o' Leary, exagerated victimhood, please!
It has happened many times that a player is on the ground and an opposition player encourages him to get up, it even happens in soccer, but with the big noise mayo are making over it you'd think its the reason the lost.
They even thought about making a formal complaint! Talk about sore losers!

And Brolly played with tracksuit bottoms, I forgot my shorts once and had to play in a tracksuit big deal.

Mayo are bringing Whinging to new heights.

Build a bridge.

Redfoot (Cork) - Posts: 388 - 04/05/2012 16:46:59    1166124

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15178:connelly-comes-to-vaughans-defence&catid=14&Itemid=100008

mayoboy1 (Mayo) - Posts: 1654 - 04/05/2012 17:01:09    1166133

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1165814
By Cliona Foley
Friday May 04 2012

MAYO discussed the possibility of lodging a formal complaint to Croke Park about how one of their injured players was manhandled by a Cork opponent last weekend.

But they have decided against it because they did not want it to be misinterpreted as sour grapes after their Division 1 Allianz League final loss to the Rebels.

Mayo were furious about the incident and felt it was a potentially dangerous situation.

It occurred when Donal Vaughan went to ground and appeared to have taken an accidental knock to the head from a stray elbow or boot.

Cork defender Noel O'Leary, believing Vaughan was feigning injury, tried to pull him up off the ground before one of his team-mates intervened and stopped him.

The Rebel defender received heavy post-match criticism for the way in which he manhandled an injured opponent before he had been attended by team medics.

Mayo were particularly annoyed that RTE's highlight package did not mention it, but instead saw Joe Brolly berate Vaughan for alleged 'diving' later in the game. But they have decided that a complaint could be misinterpreted and have decided to let the matter rest.



- Cliona Foley

Irish Independent



I have to take issue with Cliona Foley's standard of journalism also. "It occurred when Donal Vaughan went to ground and appeared to have taken an accidental knock to the head from a stray elbow or boot". This is totally inaccurate. O' Neill tripped Vaughan who then fell head first into Cadogan's hip.

This is another gem from the Tipp v Cork league semi: "Cards were dealt, eyebrows were occasionally raised but most of the onlookers in the bar struggled to stay awake and the only dramatic note in the first half was the sight of Cork's veteran goalkeeper and captain Donal Og Cusack being stretchered off with a serious injury. It occurred when the 35-year-old dived to save a long-range rocket from Thomas Stapleton after 16 minutes and, initially, looked innocuous." That is not what happened Cliona!!!

Rant over on lazy journalism. :)

Cute_Kerry_Hoor (Kerry) - Posts: 2518 - 04/05/2012 17:09:30    1166139

How does it breffni, it is widely accepted that tyrone dived a lot, I am just pointing out that brolly had no issue praising them even though they done more diving in their time than mayo ever did. He is inconsistant. What argument are you referring to exactly? That tyrone didnt dive? If you have eyes to see mayo diving then how can you miss tyrone?

Redfoot, encouraged to get up yes, manhandled on the ground no. As I said, o'leary mightnt have seen it but that collision could have easily caused a spinal injury, and in this case moving the guy afterwards can actually cripple him. It might be a total accident, but that is no comfort to a guy forced into a wheelchair is it? That is why nobody should be touched while on the ground. They might well be diving, and you might well know this, but what if you are wrong? A simple blanket ban of touching anyone when on the ground is the safest option. I am actually quite disappointed that he hasnt come out and said he didnt see the thing and he meant no harm, if he has then I must have missed it.

As regards wearing tracksuit bottoms, were you playing inter-county football at the time and were you an all-star? No? Not really the same then is it?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 04/05/2012 17:20:01    1166146

Nonsense, if someone is rolling around like vaughan was like a beached fish then he clearly has no spinal injury and a little tug on his jersey could do nothing more, this is being played up as a big issue and as I said it has happened many times before and no-one has made an issue over it until now, its clearly Mayo being bitter over their loss and been shown up over their diving and their trying to take the gloss off of Corks victory and 3 in a row which hasn't been done in 40 years.

Mayo have shown no class in defeat, and have lost a lot of respect in my eyes with their behavior.

Redfoot (Cork) - Posts: 388 - 04/05/2012 17:46:17    1166159

In all honesty, how the hell would you know the ins and outs of every possible spinal injury a guy could get? Did you not read the article that was written by a specialist regarding this issue in the days that followed the game? He said it was a a distinct possibility and the gaa should act. Furthermore, is every player playing the game that much of an expert that it should be left to their own discretion whether a lad is ok to be manhandled on the ground or not? Will you ever stop being so ridiculous. It was vaughan this time, it could be noel o'leary himself the next time, and maybe he wont be as lucky as vaughan was. As for being bitter, how do you come to this conclusion when every mayo poster said cork deserved to win, and plenty of non-mayo posters are saying the same as myself?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 05/05/2012 11:13:20    1166323

Redfoot


What exactly do you want Mayo to do? Hang their own man out to dry? Look, anyone who's ever read any of my posts on football here know I've a soft spot for Mayo so maybe I'm biased here but point out exactly what Vaughan did wrong. There was contact so he didn't fabricate that, he got up again pretty quickly so he didn't feign injury. Do you really expect Mayo to stand aside and allow their player, an amateur sportsman have his name and reputation dragged through the dirt by one of the few people lucky to make a few quid from this sport? On national TV the night after losing a major game? Besides Mayo have to protect their reputation if they are to get their fair share of calls from referees, even the pundits who slate him admit Paul Galvin probably doesn't get a fair hearing anymore.

Also, seeing as you seem to be demanding humility of Mayo for their perceived cheating, as Cork man why are you happy to defend O Leary's actions, or even the incident when Canty (a player I have always had huge admiration for, and still do) wrestled Vaughan to the ground trying to get him a second yellow?

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 05/05/2012 12:18:17    1166341

My problem is this hysterical reaction to a simple pulling of the shirt of a prone player, something that happened countless times before without comment. O'Leary is now being made out to have endangered his life! It is bitter and unbecoming of a proud footballing county like Mayo. They say they don't want come accross as bitter, yet they run to the newspapers and do just that. Get over it, you were beaten and whinging to the press and trying to get O'Leary in trouble for nothing is low.

Redfoot (Cork) - Posts: 388 - 05/05/2012 13:40:01    1166359

obviously he didnt endanger anyones life but when somoene takes a nasty knock to the head you cant be sure how badly they are hurt and anyone with a conscience would leave the medical team to deal with the situation. It's a good thing o'leary wasnt playing in the division 2 final when the tyrone defender got hurt because his life would most definitely have been endangered

pitch_invader (Mayo) - Posts: 154 - 06/05/2012 11:21:29    1166622

Redfoot
My problem is this hysterical reaction to a simple pulling of the shirt of a prone player, something that happened countless times before without comment. O'Leary is now being made out to have endangered his life! It is bitter and unbecoming of a proud footballing county like Mayo. They say they don't want come accross as bitter, yet they run to the newspapers and do just that. Get over it, you were beaten and whinging to the press and trying to get O'Leary in trouble for nothing is low.

As opposed to 'whinging in the press' trying to get vaughan in trouble?

You need to rise above trying to defend NOL for a minute. What if vaughan's neck was damaged. Would NOL have been any the wiser? It was down to pure chance that it wasnt damaged, if it had been then the situation would have been exactly the same. NOL would have done exactly what he did do, except of this occasion the guy would have been really hurt. There is no way of knowing if the damage was done by the initial blow or by being moved. How do you think NOL would feel afterwards? Surely it makes sense to protect against this, because the next time it might not end so well?

Also, name me 2 other instances where a guy was down injured and clearly in pain, and another player tried to pull him up by the jersey. Since they are so plentiful then 2 instances should be easy...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 06/05/2012 12:32:33    1166656

No one from Cork went to the press about Vaughan or anything else. Your lot ran to the independant where you "contemplated filing a compliant", thanks very much for telling us what you contemplated in private.

I assume Mayo will immediatly write to the newspapers to express their outrage if in the future a player in football, hurling, rugby,soccer ETC happens to be touched on the ground.Otherwise this fake outrage will be seen for what it really is, bitterness at getting beaten and shown up diving too.

Redfoot (Cork) - Posts: 388 - 06/05/2012 13:14:48    1166681

redfoot CORK..............o'leary was bang out of order............he had no authority to manhandle anyone on the playing field...........anyone with any bit of decency in them would not condone the manhandling of another player irrespective of the circumstances, but particularly a player who's lying prostrate on the ground........
if a player in cheating then it is up the the match officials to deal with it...................

Gammy_Knee (USA) - Posts: 1482 - 06/05/2012 13:36:32    1166686