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humble pie of the day goes to the galway poster ondabutton who posted in the wexford board :
"I think Wexford are an improving team under Davy Fitz. If they could get within 10 points of Galway Sunday, it will give them something to build on for the year."
while overreaction of the day is the person on the galway board who suggested they should disband!!!

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 20/02/2017 10:18:03    1958556

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1B could still be very interesting, yes we are in a great position but still a job to do, i remember Offaly beating us by 9 points in the league last year in Wexford Park so very much focus on the job at hand.

Another thing were comments from Ger Loughnane on Seo Spoirt during the week where he alluded to strong whispers of Division 1 being increased to 8 teams for next season so even finishing 2nd in 1B could be huge for the team involved, that means games between now and end of the season take on extra significance.

No idea in the accuracy of what Loughnane said but who knows.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1337 - 20/02/2017 11:12:07    1958580

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Yeah I see that but there are definitely a lot more penalties missed now than previously.

Penalties should be scored 9 times outta 10. The benefit should go to the attacking team always so as not to encourage lads to just drag players down in the square.

I'm not sure if I've got a solution at all to be honest. Maybe draw a short line between the 21 and 14 where the ball must be stuck before. Give the advantage to the attacker."
I hear what you are saying but they do still have the option of taking an easy point if they aren't up to it.

ColinWex (Wexford) - Posts: 901 - 20/02/2017 11:18:35    1958585

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Replying To tearintom:  "1B could still be very interesting, yes we are in a great position but still a job to do, i remember Offaly beating us by 9 points in the league last year in Wexford Park so very much focus on the job at hand.

Another thing were comments from Ger Loughnane on Seo Spoirt during the week where he alluded to strong whispers of Division 1 being increased to 8 teams for next season so even finishing 2nd in 1B could be huge for the team involved, that means games between now and end of the season take on extra significance.

No idea in the accuracy of what Loughnane said but who knows."
I doubt that would be true. That is sometime that would need agreement at the start not halfway through or after the fact.

ColinWex (Wexford) - Posts: 901 - 20/02/2017 11:23:24    1958586

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Replying To ColinWex:  "I doubt that would be true. That is sometime that would need agreement at the start not halfway through or after the fact."
Colin
You never with the GAA. in 2011 Limerick went to Ennis and beat Clare in an epic to 'secure' promotion. Yet after the game, and the competition ended they changed the rules and we were still in the lower division. It was utterly that this was not arranged before the competition started, but that is the GAA for you. Where there concerned I am past being surpised at anything they do.
Congratulations on what is now a nailed down promotion.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 20/02/2017 11:34:06    1958597

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Replying To ColinWex:  "I doubt that would be true. That is sometime that would need agreement at the start not halfway through or after the fact."
Colin
You never know with the GAA. in 2011 Limerick went to Ennis and beat Clare in an epic to 'secure' promotion. Yet after the game, and the competition ended, they suddely changed the rules and we were still in the lower division. It was utterly outrageous that this was not arranged before the competition started, but that is the GAA for you. Where they are concerned I am past being surpised at anything they do.
Congratulations again on what is now a nailed down promotion.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 20/02/2017 11:35:25    1958598

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Be careful there. Davy has a tendency to let his teams peak to early. Its great to see ye on the cusp of promotion though but June/July is when it matters. Looking at KK, ye have a good chance of being very competitive in Leinster this year."
LRH
Please do not tell any supporters of teams that have been down for six (Wexford) or seven (limerick) years that promotion does not matter. Even on its own it is a massive achievement for Wexford.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 20/02/2017 11:40:28    1958604

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It's going to be 7 teams and 1 team relegated and 1 team promoted or else it will stay at 6 with no playoff and bottom team goes down from what i have heard but GAA make it up as they go long as they really dont give a fiddlers about hurling, its all football with them.

Hurling needs more games in summer, and less games in winter, the whole system needs rejigging, starting with a round robin format for munster and leinster and leave back door as knock out for teams that make it.

The league should be run off in march and april, leave may to the clubs and first 2 weeks in june and then run off the championship from then on. People and players want games, not 5 week lay offs! Also, no need for 1/4 and semi finals in the league, have a final if you want, but it only adds to the fixture congestion,.

Just my 2 cents

Clareman (Clare) - Posts: 1056 - 20/02/2017 11:40:38    1958605

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Replying To thelongridge:  "Seamus Horgan, Tournafulla/Mountcollins was goalkeeper in 1973.Is he still hale and hearty?"
Yes he is and in fact every one of that team is stiill alive. One sub, Andy Dunworth, has passed on however.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 20/02/2017 11:42:07    1958607

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Replying To tearintom:  "1B could still be very interesting, yes we are in a great position but still a job to do, i remember Offaly beating us by 9 points in the league last year in Wexford Park so very much focus on the job at hand.

Another thing were comments from Ger Loughnane on Seo Spoirt during the week where he alluded to strong whispers of Division 1 being increased to 8 teams for next season so even finishing 2nd in 1B could be huge for the team involved, that means games between now and end of the season take on extra significance.

No idea in the accuracy of what Loughnane said but who knows."
Can't see it happening. CPA would surely kick up

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 20/02/2017 11:51:07    1958614

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Colin
You never know with the GAA. in 2011 Limerick went to Ennis and beat Clare in an epic to 'secure' promotion. Yet after the game, and the competition ended, they suddely changed the rules and we were still in the lower division. It was utterly outrageous that this was not arranged before the competition started, but that is the GAA for you. Where they are concerned I am past being surpised at anything they do.
Congratulations again on what is now a nailed down promotion."
Don't jinx us!

ColinWex (Wexford) - Posts: 901 - 20/02/2017 12:05:37    1958625

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Replying To tiobraid:  "
Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "[quote=tiobraid:  "[quote=Pinkie:  "Janesboro, I think if you look at my posting history, I never blame the referee, I have little or no interest in football so was certainly not part of that. Blaming the referee is just avoiding the reality of the reasons a team loses. Last thing I am saying on it, it would be better if Limerick moved on too because they could yet top the division and they play Galway when I wish we were playing them (last game)
This weekend?
Cork v Dublin
Clare v Kilkenny
Waterford v Tipperary
Galway v Wexford,
Limerick v Kerry
Laois v Offaly

I laugh when I hear people say Galway will bring Wexford back to earth!! We are not on cloud 9 over a league win in January, of course it was great to beat Limerick for the first time in 12 years but I think everybody now looking to the weekend match. Hard ask to go to Galway. Can't see us winning it."
It'll be extremely close and I won't be putting Galway into any accumulator this week"
Will it be 'extremely' close? Wexford must be fairly good so!!"]Any humble pie going around this morning?! :D"]Indeed tiobraid, ingesting copious volumes of it in Galway today & yesterday. Delighted for Wexford. Nice bunch of fans we met in Salthill yesterday, and fantastic that they enjoyed it, when we didn't.

Without taking away from Wexford's victory, I don't think Donal O'Grady on RTE interpreted Michael Donoghue's comment 'they got frees' too accurately. We were the supposed big dog in 1B, so referees who side with the underdog are a fact of life I suppose. It's part and parcel of the enduring amateurishness of the organisation.

Now that we're in the lower division, and probably stuck in it for another year at least, after 25 or more seasons in the top flight, I would have a problem with the current structure, wouldn't I !! What sort of 'league' condemns you to miss your major target i.e. promotion, after losing only the second game of it? A very silly league, I would contend. The famous 'backdoor' was introduced to give all championship sides 'a second chance', but yet we have a 'league', yes a supposed 'league', that affords teams no second chance to achieve their goal, after just one slip up. A farce of a format. but then as Oldtourman says, Limerick 'went up' one year, only to be told by some fella in a suit that the goalposts had been moved, and ehhm no, you haven't gone up at all lads!

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3422 - 20/02/2017 12:57:49    1958648

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Oldtourman
Is mossie dowling still going strong down there

preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 736 - 20/02/2017 13:06:42    1958651

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "
Replying To tiobraid:  "[quote=Pope_Benedict:  "[quote=tiobraid:  "[quote=Pinkie:  "Janesboro, I think if you look at my posting history, I never blame the referee, I have little or no interest in football so was certainly not part of that. Blaming the referee is just avoiding the reality of the reasons a team loses. Last thing I am saying on it, it would be better if Limerick moved on too because they could yet top the division and they play Galway when I wish we were playing them (last game)
This weekend?
Cork v Dublin
Clare v Kilkenny
Waterford v Tipperary
Galway v Wexford,
Limerick v Kerry
Laois v Offaly

I laugh when I hear people say Galway will bring Wexford back to earth!! We are not on cloud 9 over a league win in January, of course it was great to beat Limerick for the first time in 12 years but I think everybody now looking to the weekend match. Hard ask to go to Galway. Can't see us winning it."
It'll be extremely close and I won't be putting Galway into any accumulator this week"
Will it be 'extremely' close? Wexford must be fairly good so!!"]Any humble pie going around this morning?! :D"]Indeed tiobraid, ingesting copious volumes of it in Galway today & yesterday. Delighted for Wexford. Nice bunch of fans we met in Salthill yesterday, and fantastic that they enjoyed it, when we didn't.

Without taking away from Wexford's victory, I don't think Donal O'Grady on RTE interpreted Michael Donoghue's comment 'they got frees' too accurately. We were the supposed big dog in 1B, so referees who side with the underdog are a fact of life I suppose. It's part and parcel of the enduring amateurishness of the organisation.

Now that we're in the lower division, and probably stuck in it for another year at least, after 25 or more seasons in the top flight, I would have a problem with the current structure, wouldn't I !! What sort of 'league' condemns you to miss your major target i.e. promotion, after losing only the second game of it? A very silly league, I would contend. The famous 'backdoor' was introduced to give all championship sides 'a second chance', but yet we have a 'league', yes a supposed 'league', that affords teams no second chance to achieve their goal, after just one slip up. A farce of a format. but then as Oldtourman says, Limerick 'went up' one year, only to be told by some fella in a suit that the goalposts had been moved, and ehhm no, you haven't gone up at all lads!"]we were the other victims that year so i will not hear of that argument.why should you be allowed a slip up?if you are good enough to go up you will top the division.sport is ruthless and competitive and if you lose a game or two,when somebody else takes full advantage of this,why do you deserve to go up?
i am absolutely not ruling out a slip up from wexford either.but the best teams win the most games.end of.
but also i would be disgusted if the lads in suit changed the format again,the current league is absolutely great and has been for years,maybe a 2nd team v 2nd bottom in division above is a tweak which would make it interesting.
but if kilkenny get relegated,and we get promoted,if the league format was changed i would find it particularly galling after years of battling to get out of 1b only for the format to be changed because 3 bigger counties reputation wise are down there.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 20/02/2017 13:21:01    1958658

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Congrats to Davy Fitz and WX, fantastic result for hurling and hopefully they will go a long way this Summer. Time for Galway minors etc. in Leinster now.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 20/02/2017 13:27:34    1958663

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A couple of years back, KK were in a relegation playoff and that year they won the AI in September. Again a few years previous they were beaten in the Walsh Cup by Antrim and again won the AI that year. I have no doubt KK will be there come August although like most it would be good for hurling if KK took a rest from the AI for a decade.

Brian_Coyote (Antrim) - Posts: 346 - 20/02/2017 13:36:44    1958668

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Personally I think it's a great format apart from the fact that team in 1B can win it out even if they finished 4th in 1B ( I stand corrected on that).

You have fantastically competitive 1A and a 1B which is difficult to get out of which is the way it should be while also giving a chance to the likes of Kerry to mix it with big hurling counties like Limerick, Wexford and Galway.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 20/02/2017 13:49:04    1958671

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The newly 'ultra competitive' cut throat league might be great for spectators and TV but is a disaster from a player welfare point of view - its forcing managers to start 'pre season' training for the league in November when the league was supposed to be the pre season training for the championship but because the 'suits' decided the league needed to be another knock out competition and played in February and March its been made into a must win competition(or not be relegated/promoted) in its own right managers are under pressure to deliver results straight away. What happened to the league being a way to introduce guys into senior inter county hurling...now the munster league is being used for that.
Basically Limerick lost out by a goal away to Wexford, were done out of a stone wall penaly and find the 'league' has lost all meaning after 2 games.

73forever (Limerick) - Posts: 89 - 20/02/2017 14:41:49    1958698

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Replying To ColinWex:  "I hear what you are saying but they do still have the option of taking an easy point if they aren't up to it."
Having face penalties as a goalie I always though the other two lads got in the way. I would always back myself with a shot from the 20M but you need to have the space to get your hurl to it, more often or not the back got in the way. Taking a penalty in hurling has now become a real skill, the ball has to be placed much like in football or soccer. Players will adapt and will continue to practice.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 20/02/2017 15:36:47    1958736

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Replying To 73forever:  "The newly 'ultra competitive' cut throat league might be great for spectators and TV but is a disaster from a player welfare point of view - its forcing managers to start 'pre season' training for the league in November when the league was supposed to be the pre season training for the championship but because the 'suits' decided the league needed to be another knock out competition and played in February and March its been made into a must win competition(or not be relegated/promoted) in its own right managers are under pressure to deliver results straight away. What happened to the league being a way to introduce guys into senior inter county hurling...now the munster league is being used for that.
Basically Limerick lost out by a goal away to Wexford, were done out of a stone wall penaly and find the 'league' has lost all meaning after 2 games."
Galway in same quandary as Limerick but look we lost to WX. Should be a real battle to finish in second place between us and have a go at the playoffs. Many teams in contention for Liam this year.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 20/02/2017 15:42:26    1958740

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