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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Or the rule should be left as it is because the only a few GAA cranks seem to have a problem with it.
It takes no skill to kick the ball over the bar from 15 or 20 metres out, should that be banned also?" That's nonsense, there is a level of skill to kick the ball over from 15 yards. Even county players playing for years with high skill levels occasionally miss these sitters. You're argument that the rules should be left as they are no matter what seems a bit close minded.
Forpucksake (UK) - Posts: 130 - 26/07/2017 11:17:06
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Replying To Gavvygavgav: "Why would you want to ban kicking the ball over the bar from 15 or 20 yards? That's stupid?
Fouling the ball by throwing it into the net, which a lot of these double-hand "slaps" are, should not be allowed though." Which goals are you talking about?
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 26/07/2017 11:34:02
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if I want to see good slam dunks I'll watch basketball.
Donegal_D (Donegal) - Posts:50 - 25/07/2017 14:47:51 2023269
Have you ever actually seen a slam dunk?
Because by comparing a goal in football scored with the hands to a slam dunk in basketball leads me to believe that you've never actually seen a basketball match.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 26/07/2017 11:41:20
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Replying To MesAmis: "Start giving actual examples of goals scored oboe the last few seasons where the ball was thrown into the net to at least try and prove your point. Get onto YouTube there and post us up some links to a goal scored in football by the ball being thrown in.
I've a feeling your going to either completely ignore this or come back with examples that'll you'll just claim are throws when they are clearly not." Anyone of them.
Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 27/07/2017 13:05:03
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Replying To MesAmis: "Start giving actual examples of goals scored oboe the last few seasons where the ball was thrown into the net to at least try and prove your point. Get onto YouTube there and post us up some links to a goal scored in football by the ball being thrown in.
I've a feeling your going to either completely ignore this or come back with examples that'll you'll just claim are throws when they are clearly not." ok, I'll play...
4:08 in on this one https://youtu.be/kDcG3TmHS60
2:41 & 3:08 in on this one https://youtu.be/mWokbbMd2W4
Billions of examples. Zero skill. Thrown or pushed in. Acceptable by the rules as they stand as the officials are impotent to do anything else. But it's a garbage way to score, especially from a handpass. And the posters likening it to basketball slamdunks are spot on.
Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 27/07/2017 13:27:48
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Replying To Gavvygavgav: "Anyone of them." We are waiting? Which goal stands out?
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 27/07/2017 13:29:07
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Replying To Gavvygavgav: "ok, I'll play...
4:08 in on this one https://youtu.be/kDcG3TmHS60
2:41 & 3:08 in on this one https://youtu.be/mWokbbMd2W4
Billions of examples. Zero skill. Thrown or pushed in. Acceptable by the rules as they stand as the officials are impotent to do anything else. But it's a garbage way to score, especially from a handpass. And the posters likening it to basketball slamdunks are spot on." Lol absolutely nothing wrong with Brogans or Mchugh for the first 2. Both clear striking actions, didn't rest on palm of hand at all, both great goals actually. Third example is the closest to a push. Billions of examples eh?
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 27/07/2017 13:46:30
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If a handslap goal means getting your hand ten feet in the air to direct the ball for a score and intimidate your opponents, usually by celebrating aggressively in their faces, then it is like a slam dunk..........
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 27/07/2017 14:25:04
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Lol absolutely nothing wrong with Brogans or Mchugh for the first 2. Both clear striking actions, didn't rest on palm of hand at all, both great goals actually. Third example is the closest to a push. Billions of examples eh?" Interesting. I thought Brogan's was the standout example. There are a multitude of examples week in week out. The ball is cushioned on the fingers and redirected. These goals are accepted within the current rules due to they are essentially throws or pushes. I know that there is the good old "striking motion" (the get out for many a thrown handpass), but they aren't strikes.
Give me a closed fist any day, or at the very least a one-handed open palmed strike (although that still leaves the possibility of a throw wide open). And there should be a foot involved in the scoring of a goal i.e. the ball can't be fisted or palmed in directly from a hand pass.
I await your derision and of course the rules will never change, but this would be more in keeping with the ethos of the game, rather than the basketball/olympic handball route the game is travelling down.
Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 27/07/2017 15:13:29
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Not everything has to be a showcase of the best skills of GAA...It's as worthy a goal as any, expecially in the days of blanket defenses
thebronze14 (Donegal) - Posts: 41 - 27/07/2017 15:55:48
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Replying To Gavvygavgav: "Interesting. I thought Brogan's was the standout example. There are a multitude of examples week in week out. The ball is cushioned on the fingers and redirected. These goals are accepted within the current rules due to they are essentially throws or pushes. I know that there is the good old "striking motion" (the get out for many a thrown handpass), but they aren't strikes.
Give me a closed fist any day, or at the very least a one-handed open palmed strike (although that still leaves the possibility of a throw wide open). And there should be a foot involved in the scoring of a goal i.e. the ball can't be fisted or palmed in directly from a hand pass.
I await your derision and of course the rules will never change, but this would be more in keeping with the ethos of the game, rather than the basketball/olympic handball route the game is travelling down." Far more "throwing" the ball ito the net happened in the Kerry Dublin golden era of the 1970's than is happening now.
This isn't one of the ills of modern football like some people are trying to claim it is.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 27/07/2017 16:25:05
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Far more "throwing" the ball ito the net happened in the Kerry Dublin golden era of the 1970's than is happening now.
This isn't one of the ills of modern football like some people are trying to claim it is." That's debatable and way off the point anyway.
At least they disallowed hand passing into the net
Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 27/07/2017 17:27:31
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Replying To Gavvygavgav: "Interesting. I thought Brogan's was the standout example. There are a multitude of examples week in week out. The ball is cushioned on the fingers and redirected. These goals are accepted within the current rules due to they are essentially throws or pushes. I know that there is the good old "striking motion" (the get out for many a thrown handpass), but they aren't strikes.
Give me a closed fist any day, or at the very least a one-handed open palmed strike (although that still leaves the possibility of a throw wide open). And there should be a foot involved in the scoring of a goal i.e. the ball can't be fisted or palmed in directly from a hand pass.
I await your derision and of course the rules will never change, but this would be more in keeping with the ethos of the game, rather than the basketball/olympic handball route the game is travelling down." Listen I am not going to mock you for a different opinion. I did laugh at you earlier in the thread when you claimed a closed fist was easier to execute, which is total nonsense. These goals are vital to break down defences, especially blanket defences.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 27/07/2017 21:02:27
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"A few people who aren't Irish have pointed out to me that it looks crap and I agree with them totally.
Donegal_D (Donegal) - Posts:51 - 17/07/2017 12:01:24 2018021"
"A few people who aren't Irish" Is this the nub of the matter ? What others think of us ? I say - Who cares - the GAA is unique globally (Joe Brolly would agree with me there) .
If a few people who arent Irish said to me "Look at the Carlow jersey , its terrible , it gives my dog epileptic fits when 3 or more carlow players run across the screen" Should we then change the Carlow jersey just because its "crap" - NO ! OF course not !
If its not broke dont fix it
FairShoulder (Armagh) - Posts: 333 - 27/07/2017 21:49:44
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ok, I'll play...
4:08 in on this one https://youtu.be/kDcG3TmHS60
2:41 & 3:08 in on this one https://youtu.be/mWokbbMd2W4
Billions of examples. Zero skill. Thrown or pushed in. Acceptable by the rules as they stand as the officials are impotent to do anything else. But it's a garbage way to score, especially from a handpass. And the posters likening it to basketball slamdunks are spot on.
Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts:188 - 27/07/2017 13:27:48 2024
Ha! Brilliant so you weren't actually able to find any examples of goals being scored by throwing despite there being, and I quote, "billions of examples".
You may not like those goals but should really stop lying and calling them throws. When you lie you discredit anything else you have to say and essentially people can just write you off as a joke.
My advice would be to stop lying and stop making things up and get back to your argument.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 27/07/2017 23:06:16
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Replying To MesAmis: "ok, I'll play...
4:08 in on this one https://youtu.be/kDcG3TmHS60
2:41 & 3:08 in on this one https://youtu.be/mWokbbMd2W4
Billions of examples. Zero skill. Thrown or pushed in. Acceptable by the rules as they stand as the officials are impotent to do anything else. But it's a garbage way to score, especially from a handpass. And the posters likening it to basketball slamdunks are spot on.
Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts:188 - 27/07/2017 13:27:48 2024
Ha! Brilliant so you weren't actually able to find any examples of goals being scored by throwing despite there being, and I quote, "billions of examples".
You may not like those goals but should really stop lying and calling them throws. When you lie you discredit anything else you have to say and essentially people can just write you off as a joke.
My advice would be to stop lying and stop making things up and get back to your argument." Look Mesamis, I understand you are of the opinion that these goals are strikes, but the fact is that the action of using both hands is not to provide more power, it's to provide more direction. this is done by cradling the ball in the hands, albeit momentarily, and redirecting it to the goal. This is not a strike, it's a throw. The rules won't change though, I know this. The hand pass is so loose these days. But that doesn't change the fact that double-handed 'slap' goals are essentially fouls of the ball. There are examples every week (how boring of you to seep into sophistry to try and hone in on my obvious hyperbole "billions"). There were several in last night's training session. There will be examples this coming weekend. As Flaker posits, these types of goal are vital against massed and blanket defences. But I'm not going to sit around on youtube looking for videos of handslaps, you know the ones I'm talking about. You might even agree with me to some extent
And as regards not being seen as a joke by some anonymous tags on an internet board, that may be important to some but I don't let such things bother me. You may be projecting a little, there.
Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 28/07/2017 10:32:33
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Replying To Gavvygavgav: " Replying To MesAmis: "ok, I'll play...
4:08 in on this one https://youtu.be/kDcG3TmHS60
2:41 & 3:08 in on this one https://youtu.be/mWokbbMd2W4
Billions of examples. Zero skill. Thrown or pushed in. Acceptable by the rules as they stand as the officials are impotent to do anything else. But it's a garbage way to score, especially from a handpass. And the posters likening it to basketball slamdunks are spot on.
Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts:188 - 27/07/2017 13:27:48 2024
Ha! Brilliant so you weren't actually able to find any examples of goals being scored by throwing despite there being, and I quote, "billions of examples".
You may not like those goals but should really stop lying and calling them throws. When you lie you discredit anything else you have to say and essentially people can just write you off as a joke.
My advice would be to stop lying and stop making things up and get back to your argument." Look Mesamis, I understand you are of the opinion that these goals are strikes, but the fact is that the action of using both hands is not to provide more power, it's to provide more direction. this is done by cradling the ball in the hands, albeit momentarily, and redirecting it to the goal. This is not a strike, it's a throw. The rules won't change though, I know this. The hand pass is so loose these days. But that doesn't change the fact that double-handed 'slap' goals are essentially fouls of the ball. There are examples every week (how boring of you to seep into sophistry to try and hone in on my obvious hyperbole "billions"). There were several in last night's training session. There will be examples this coming weekend. As Flaker posits, these types of goal are vital against massed and blanket defences. But I'm not going to sit around on youtube looking for videos of handslaps, you know the ones I'm talking about. You might even agree with me to some extent And as regards not being seen as a joke by some anonymous tags on an internet board, that may be important to some but I don't let such things bother me. You may be projecting a little, there."
You're simply lying.
The fact that you cannot find one example to back up your hyperbole shows that.
My credibility on here doesn't bother me at all and I don't think I'm projecting but if that's how you see it then fair enough.
However one would have to wonder about someone who would clearly lie on an anonymous internet forum. That's a little bit weird to be honest. The fact you'd continue to lie and say that people are throwing the ball when they clearly are not is odd in the extreme. And then you post links up to players not throwing the ball and claim that proves your point that they are throwing the ball? That's really strange man.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 28/07/2017 10:48:54
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Replying To MesAmis: " Replying To Gavvygavgav: "[quote=MesAmis: "ok, I'll play...
4:08 in on this one https://youtu.be/kDcG3TmHS60
2:41 & 3:08 in on this one https://youtu.be/mWokbbMd2W4
Billions of examples. Zero skill. Thrown or pushed in. Acceptable by the rules as they stand as the officials are impotent to do anything else. But it's a garbage way to score, especially from a handpass. And the posters likening it to basketball slamdunks are spot on.
Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts:188 - 27/07/2017 13:27:48 2024
Ha! Brilliant so you weren't actually able to find any examples of goals being scored by throwing despite there being, and I quote, "billions of examples".
You may not like those goals but should really stop lying and calling them throws. When you lie you discredit anything else you have to say and essentially people can just write you off as a joke.
My advice would be to stop lying and stop making things up and get back to your argument." Look Mesamis, I understand you are of the opinion that these goals are strikes, but the fact is that the action of using both hands is not to provide more power, it's to provide more direction. this is done by cradling the ball in the hands, albeit momentarily, and redirecting it to the goal. This is not a strike, it's a throw. The rules won't change though, I know this. The hand pass is so loose these days. But that doesn't change the fact that double-handed 'slap' goals are essentially fouls of the ball. There are examples every week (how boring of you to seep into sophistry to try and hone in on my obvious hyperbole "billions"). There were several in last night's training session. There will be examples this coming weekend. As Flaker posits, these types of goal are vital against massed and blanket defences. But I'm not going to sit around on youtube looking for videos of handslaps, you know the ones I'm talking about. You might even agree with me to some extent And as regards not being seen as a joke by some anonymous tags on an internet board, that may be important to some but I don't let such things bother me. You may be projecting a little, there."
You're simply lying.
The fact that you cannot find one example to back up your hyperbole shows that.
My credibility on here doesn't bother me at all and I don't think I'm projecting but if that's how you see it then fair enough.
However one would have to wonder about someone who would clearly lie on an anonymous internet forum. That's a little bit weird to be honest. The fact you'd continue to lie and say that people are throwing the ball when they clearly are not is odd in the extreme. And then you post links up to players not throwing the ball and claim that proves your point that they are throwing the ball? That's really strange man."]it's almost as if you can't read. I've posted a couple of examples. You say that they are strikes, I say that they are throws, and I've expanded as to why I believe they are. Try and parse simple sentences, I'm not getting the glove puppets out.
Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 28/07/2017 11:14:58
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0posted a couple of examples. You say that they are strikes, I say that they are throws, and I've expanded as to why I believe they are. Try and parse simple sentences, I'm not getting the glove puppets out.
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So to conclude, you refuse to back up your point because you cannot.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 28/07/2017 12:27:00
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4:08 in on this one https://youtu.be/kDcG3TmHS60
2:41 & 3:08 in on this one https://youtu.be/mWokbbMd2W4
Billions of examples. Zero skill. Thrown or pushed in. Acceptable by the rules as they stand as the officials are impotent to do anything else. But it's a garbage way to score, especially from a handpass. And the posters likening it to basketball slamdunks are spot on.
Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts:188 - 27/07/2017 13:27:48 2024
Ha! Brilliant so you weren't actually able to find any examples of goals being scored by throwing despite there being, and I quote, "billions of examples".
You may not like those goals but should really stop lying and calling them throws. When you lie you discredit anything else you have to say and essentially people can just write you off as a joke.
My advice would be to stop lying and stop making things up and get back to your argument." Look Mesamis, I understand you are of the opinion that these goals are strikes, but the fact is that the action of using both hands is not to provide more power, it's to provide more direction. this is done by cradling the ball in the hands, albeit momentarily, and redirecting it to the goal. This is not a strike, it's a throw. The rules won't change though, I know this. The hand pass is so loose these days. But that doesn't change the fact that double-handed 'slap' goals are essentially fouls of the ball. There are examples every week (how boring of you to seep into sophistry to try and hone in on my obvious hyperbole "billions"). There were several in last night's training session. There will be examples this coming weekend. As Flaker posits, these types of goal are vital against massed and blanket defences. But I'm not going to sit around on youtube looking for videos of handslaps, you know the ones I'm talking about. You might even agree with me to some extent And as regards not being seen as a joke by some anonymous tags on an internet board, that may be important to some but I don't let such things bother me. You may be projecting a little, there."
You're simply lying.
The fact that you cannot find one example to back up your hyperbole shows that.
My credibility on here doesn't bother me at all and I don't think I'm projecting but if that's how you see it then fair enough.
However one would have to wonder about someone who would clearly lie on an anonymous internet forum. That's a little bit weird to be honest. The fact you'd continue to lie and say that people are throwing the ball when they clearly are not is odd in the extreme. And then you post links up to players not throwing the ball and claim that proves your point that they are throwing the ball? That's really strange man."]it's almost as if you can't read. I've posted a couple of examples. You say that they are strikes, I say that they are throws, and I've expanded as to why I believe they are. Try and parse simple sentences, I'm not getting the glove puppets out."]Gav they are not throws, you keep saying they are, that is just not true. I just don't understand the problem. You told me you coach yourself. We cry and moan about blanket defences and then when we find a way to break it down we don't like the technique.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 28/07/2017 13:31:12
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