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ormondbannerman- I go to a lot of GAA matches and I never seen drink spilled on anyone- what GAA matches have you been going to? -were they the ones being played out in the pub? I like to watch Rugby but it is nowhere close to the atmosphere in CP even with the Dubs playing and winning!
On a national basis the GAA has little to worry about with respect to rugby. Ormond -where do you get the time to watch matches live with all the use you make of the 'reply' button.
browncows (Meath) - Posts:1288 - 27/12/2016 13:14:53Why are you so bitter? I go to inter county games involving my own county. The amount of booze on the terraces can be ridiculous. Buses from Nenagh and loads of the towns head to thurles and everyone well on the beer for games and even more so for games in Dublin.
I completely disagree on atmosphere but this is a very subjective thing. I Am always at rugby games. How I post here is none of your business and why do you even care about how I post?
There are almost certainly going to be big issues for Rugby to face in the future regarding concussion whether Ormond or anyone else wants to believe it or not.
If I had children I wouldn't let them near playing it there are plenty of other enjoyable sports to be played that don't ahve any negative side affects .
Really the GAA should be emphasizing how safe football and hurling are to play there are no long term negative effects from either of them.They're both safe sports to play which cannot be said about rugby.
Concussions are almost non existent in GAA and don't tend to be a consequence of executing a basic part of the game they generally happen due to accidental collissions.
Also long term damage can be caused by the collissions in rugby even if a concussion doesn't occur.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts:1032 - 27/12/2016 14:36:35Are you involved in the game? Rugby has changed its protocols to help players. The amateur game is managed completely differently to the professional game in relation to concussion. Any suspected concussion will be removed and player is out of the game for 21 days if an adult and 23 if under age of 18. Concussions are not almost non existent in GAA. At least people know of them in rugby and look out for them. There all to often is concussions or concussive like injuries in hurling or gaelic and players stay on the field.
You have to realise that Independent Newspapers is a big sponsor of Rugby. It stands to reason that they will publisize their own. That is what this thread is all about. The massive power of the likes of INM, Guiness and Bank of Ireland pouring millions into Rugby especially. How the GAA can market against it!
galwayford (Galway) - Posts:838 - 27/12/2016 19:54:35 These companies are involved in rugby as 000s upon 000s watch and enjoy and participate in the sport. INM, Guinness and BOI all are involved in GAA as well
Just remember the News Media in Ireland is run mostly by ex Rugby playing types, or their friends. As stated Independent Newspapers are big sponsor of Rugby and are building or renovating Musgrave park. So they are not fans or supporters of the GAA.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts:838 - 27/12/2016 20:04:35 News media isn't run mostly by rugby playing types, whatever the f*** that means?
Independent newspapers are also heavily involved in GAA and were neither involved in building or renovating Musgrave park. They simply sponsored the stadium like kingspan sponsored breffni park
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/12/2016 22:34:31
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Replying To galwayford: "Just remember the News Media in Ireland is run mostly by ex Rugby playing types, or their friends. As stated Independent Newspapers are big sponsor of Rugby and are building or renovating Musgrave park. So they are not fans or supporters of the GAA." Is there some reason that they could not sponsor more than one sport? The owner's private contribution is the main reason why O'Neill and Keane were reappointed after the Euros.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 28/12/2016 00:33:19
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Yes it is true that Guiness and Bank of Ireland sponsored the GAA back 20 years ago. And still retain some sponsorship. Indo does give GAA some coverage also. Are we supposed to go down on the knee for this?
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 28/12/2016 10:03:32
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I hope this thread ends in the new year. But it is all about standing up for the GAA- not denigrating other sports. How best to stand up and market the games. Could I suggest all clubs putting a sign or poster up outside of their clubhouse like:
"New members welcomed" or Céad Míle Fáilte.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 28/12/2016 10:05:52
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ormondbannerman -typical rant by a guy who is obviously confused, quote: 'The amount of booze on the terraces is ridiculous'. You were obviously at a rugby match and got confused by the shape of the ball! Concussion is a serious problem in rugby and that is the reason that the rules regarding same has been changed twice in the last 9 months. You obviously have not watched your neighbours comment about same.
Greenand Red/Galwayford- agree with you and add that the Independent Newspaper would be better off contributing to their staff's pensions fund (past and present).
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 28/12/2016 10:20:18
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Ive been in seats in Thomond for rugby, Croke Park for Hurling and Gaelic and Aviva for Rugby and been at many other sports and had booze spilled on me at all.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12465 - 26/12/2016 23:21:46 1942102
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Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 28/12/2016 10:39:28
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Replying To browncows: "ormondbannerman -typical rant by a guy who is obviously confused, quote: 'The amount of booze on the terraces is ridiculous'. You were obviously at a rugby match and got confused by the shape of the ball! Concussion is a serious problem in rugby and that is the reason that the rules regarding same has been changed twice in the last 9 months. You obviously have not watched your neighbours comment about same.
Greenand Red/Galwayford- agree with you and add that the Independent Newspaper would be better off contributing to their staff's pensions fund (past and present)." They wouldn't sell many papers though !
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 28/12/2016 12:33:29
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Ormond again seems to be missing the point.
None of these thins make any difference regarding the effects of playing rugby.
A sport that involves repeated collissions as an essential part of it has a risk attached and you might never get a concussion and end up with serious affects of repeated collissions.
Unless you change the nature of the sport it will always be dangerous.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 28/12/2016 13:10:58
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Ormond again seems to be missing the point.
None of these thins make any difference regarding the effects of playing rugby.
A sport that involves repeated collissions as an essential part of it has a risk attached and you might never get a concussion and end up with serious affects of repeated collissions.
Unless you change the nature of the sport it will always be dangerous." The collisions are a big part of it for supporters though, they want to see big hits. Check out the gifs and YouTube clips that go viral when there's a massive hit in the game, ignoring the guy that got hit in some cases. They need to find a way to lessen the impact of the collisions in this day and age of bigger faster rugby players, however they could do that?
Just my own opinion but I think if you did a check on the impact on the body of an international 30 years ago after a 10 year career and one now , same position, after 10 years the current player would be worse for wear in comparison. That's not including possible concussion effects.
But starting out playing rugby, with good coaches, where a tiny few can even get out of club to a provincial development squad, there's little chance of serious injury starting off. I think that risk increases as the level goes up and there's more at stake in games.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 28/12/2016 13:56:26
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Replying To GreenandRed: "The collisions are a big part of it for supporters though, they want to see big hits. Check out the gifs and YouTube clips that go viral when there's a massive hit in the game, ignoring the guy that got hit in some cases. They need to find a way to lessen the impact of the collisions in this day and age of bigger faster rugby players, however they could do that?
Just my own opinion but I think if you did a check on the impact on the body of an international 30 years ago after a 10 year career and one now , same position, after 10 years the current player would be worse for wear in comparison. That's not including possible concussion effects.
But starting out playing rugby, with good coaches, where a tiny few can even get out of club to a provincial development squad, there's little chance of serious injury starting off. I think that risk increases as the level goes up and there's more at stake in games." Wrong there. The risk is exactly the same no matter what level you play. The risk at lower level is the same because all the players are at a similar level in terms of physical development. The risk is most serious with young players of rugby. A small light fellow could end up been run over by the larger lad who gets thrust into the forwards positions. The irfu have zero regard for young players with full contact scrums, and no effort to police rucks and tackles. Can't understand how a parent would allow their child play the sport.
sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 544 - 28/12/2016 20:04:24
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Replying To galwayford: "I hope this thread ends in the new year. But it is all about standing up for the GAA- not denigrating other sports. How best to stand up and market the games. Could I suggest all clubs putting a sign or poster up outside of their clubhouse like:
"New members welcomed" or Céad Míle Fáilte." I think the GAA needs to use the National Leagues better.
The best advertising for any sport are the games themselves. There are too few properly meaningful matches every year.
The league is a wasted opportunity, there needs to be a way of incorporating the league into the championship alongside the provincial championships.
There's traditionally been huge casual support of the GAA (people going along to Provincial championship matches who wouldn't follow other games) but that is waning.
The association needs to develop a loyal fan base, get more people going to the bulk of their teams games a season. Only way to do that is to get more big games.
Dublin have done a great job of marketing the National league but I think there's only so much can be done when everyone knows the league is a very distant 2nd in terms of a team's priority.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 28/12/2016 22:04:12
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Replying To Whammo86: "I think the GAA needs to use the National Leagues better.
The best advertising for any sport are the games themselves. There are too few properly meaningful matches every year.
The league is a wasted opportunity, there needs to be a way of incorporating the league into the championship alongside the provincial championships.
There's traditionally been huge casual support of the GAA (people going along to Provincial championship matches who wouldn't follow other games) but that is waning.
The association needs to develop a loyal fan base, get more people going to the bulk of their teams games a season. Only way to do that is to get more big games.
Dublin have done a great job of marketing the National league but I think there's only so much can be done when everyone knows the league is a very distant 2nd in terms of a team's priority." I think they need to restructure the league where each division includes two teams from each level to try and improve the overall standard of football rather than increase the gap between division 1 and the rest. Otherwise there will only be big games between division 1 teams. A lot of hidings at first for so-called weaker counties but you'd get good crowds out to watch Dublin or Kerry away to a Division 3 or 4 teams. And a few more night games that bring home and way supporters to towns for overnighters and head out later to create a buzz in the town for the weekend. Naive thinking on my behalf because the GAA seem to want to split championship into Senior and Intermediate and don't care about improving overall standards.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 28/12/2016 22:33:28
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Agree the leagues should be promoted better. League is a good competition with lots of potential but they get no love at all. Like, I just checked the GAA website and the 2017 fixtures are not up there yet in the main fixture section with full info like times/ venue/TV coverage. That's crazy.
Not sure how the suggestion of mixing up the teams like that would work. What is the motivation for the 'weaker' teams? I'm not sure what kind of crowd would turn up for Kerry v Antrim in the league. Teams need to have motivation for the league for it to work, it can't just be a development competition entirely, there is McKenna cup etc for that kind of thing. Each team should be looking for promotion and with 2 out of 8 teams going up in each division, there is plenty of opportunity for teams to progress.
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 29/12/2016 10:37:54
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Replying To himachechy: "Agree the leagues should be promoted better. League is a good competition with lots of potential but they get no love at all. Like, I just checked the GAA website and the 2017 fixtures are not up there yet in the main fixture section with full info like times/ venue/TV coverage. That's crazy.
Not sure how the suggestion of mixing up the teams like that would work. What is the motivation for the 'weaker' teams? I'm not sure what kind of crowd would turn up for Kerry v Antrim in the league. Teams need to have motivation for the league for it to work, it can't just be a development competition entirely, there is McKenna cup etc for that kind of thing. Each team should be looking for promotion and with 2 out of 8 teams going up in each division, there is plenty of opportunity for teams to progress." My thinking is that the weaker counties motivation is that they won't improve their standards playing teams of a similar poor standard and can slowly improve by playing more regularly against teams from a higher standard. The Division 4 standard teams will have no hope against Division 1 sides. But a few wins against Division 3 and a rare one against an old Division 2 team would be great for morale. I'd scrap the provincial leagues and start the league in January. Start open draw provincial championships in April and an open draw knockout All Ireland in June. No more backdoor championship and provincial separate to the All Ireland.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 29/12/2016 11:23:51
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Replying To GreenandRed: "My thinking is that the weaker counties motivation is that they won't improve their standards playing teams of a similar poor standard and can slowly improve by playing more regularly against teams from a higher standard. The Division 4 standard teams will have no hope against Division 1 sides. But a few wins against Division 3 and a rare one against an old Division 2 team would be great for morale. I'd scrap the provincial leagues and start the league in January. Start open draw provincial championships in April and an open draw knockout All Ireland in June. No more backdoor championship and provincial separate to the All Ireland." Fair enough point on morale boosting wins, but there would also be a few morale sapping defeats in that format. Any team in any division should be focused on beating the teams that are at the level they are at and progressing to the next level, I think the current promotion / relegation format gives that.
I suppose it depends what success means for any given county. Some will be happy to forget the league and hope for a big win or once in a blue moon run in the championship. I think that's short term thinking. There are other counties out there who have used the league to good effect and are working to build their base, to be more consistently competitive.. I'm thinking Cavan, Rossies, Tipp (a few years ago). Listen, I'm not saying league will ever be more important than championship for anyone...but it does provide opportunities to counties to build...and even pick up the odd trophy.
Also agree with scrapping the McKenna cups etc and expanding the league... maybe bring it down to 3 divisions, that would mix things up a bit.
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 29/12/2016 14:24:06
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ormondbannerman -typical rant by a guy who is obviously confused, quote: 'The amount of booze on the terraces is ridiculous'. You were obviously at a rugby match and got confused by the shape of the ball! Concussion is a serious problem in rugby and that is the reason that the rules regarding same has been changed twice in the last 9 months. You obviously have not watched your neighbours comment about same.
Greenand Red/Galwayford- agree with you and add that the Independent Newspaper would be better off contributing to their staff's pensions fund (past and present).
browncows (Meath) - Posts:1289 - 28/12/2016 10:20:18 Drop the name calling...
Well considering ive been to plenty of hurling games in CP for tipp and been on buses with mates to those games the amount of booze on terraces is ridiculous with people sneaking it in.
Concussion is a major issue in rugby but is at least highlighted and worked on a lot to try improve knowledge.
Ive been in seats in Thomond for rugby, Croke Park for Hurling and Gaelic and Aviva for Rugby and been at many other sports and had booze spilled on me at all.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12465 - 26/12/2016 23:21:46
Nobody believes you mate.
Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts:10749 - 28/12/2016 10:39:28 Drop the condescending "mate" and it is true. So you really saying youve never seen or heard of people having drink spilt on them at hurling or gaa games predominantly in CP? If you say you havent then you are either completely ignorant, blind or oblivious of the very obvious
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/12/2016 16:28:21
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ormondbannerman - you are obviously keeping very poor/wrong company. I repeat!!! I go to many GAA matches over the years and have NEVER seen drink spilled on anyone during a match, before a match, or after a match except in a pub. Breffni39 stated what he has experienced, not what you have experienced!! and there is obviously a difference so you have got to accept that.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 29/12/2016 16:49:45
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "ormondbannerman -typical rant by a guy who is obviously confused, quote: 'The amount of booze on the terraces is ridiculous'. You were obviously at a rugby match and got confused by the shape of the ball! Concussion is a serious problem in rugby and that is the reason that the rules regarding same has been changed twice in the last 9 months. You obviously have not watched your neighbours comment about same.
Greenand Red/Galwayford- agree with you and add that the Independent Newspaper would be better off contributing to their staff's pensions fund (past and present).
browncows (Meath) - Posts:1289 - 28/12/2016 10:20:18 Drop the name calling...
Well considering ive been to plenty of hurling games in CP for tipp and been on buses with mates to those games the amount of booze on terraces is ridiculous with people sneaking it in.
Concussion is a major issue in rugby but is at least highlighted and worked on a lot to try improve knowledge.
Ive been in seats in Thomond for rugby, Croke Park for Hurling and Gaelic and Aviva for Rugby and been at many other sports and had booze spilled on me at all.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12465 - 26/12/2016 23:21:46
Nobody believes you mate.
Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts:10749 - 28/12/2016 10:39:28 Drop the condescending "mate" and it is true. So you really saying youve never seen or heard of people having drink spilt on them at hurling or gaa games predominantly in CP? If you say you havent then you are either completely ignorant, blind or oblivious of the very obvious" Well said. Every sport has a drinking culture no matter it Rugby, soccer or the GAA games. You'd swear where people went on here that Rugby was just one big piss up and GAA is saintly and with little consumption of alcohol at games. I've gone to games with people who have very little interest in football or hurling but like the boozing before and after games and sometimes during it.
Drinking culture is in every sport not just the "foreign games" as a lot of you like to call them. Let's except it and move on.
pkboher (Cork) - Posts: 49 - 29/12/2016 18:15:11
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Simple things like putting up a sign outside of the Club grounds like "New Players welcome" or Céad Míle Fáilte" will help market the GAA.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 29/12/2016 22:10:53
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Replying To galwayford: "Simple things like putting up a sign outside of the Club grounds like "New Players welcome" or Céad Míle Fáilte" will help market the GAA." You're on the windup. What use is is looking at a 'Céad míle fáilte' sign outside club grounds to the many who don't speak Irish. Are you looking for a certain type of new member?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 29/12/2016 22:29:57
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