National - Dublin v Mayo. Who will win the 2017 All Ireland football final?

Replying To TheFlaker:  "A Kerry side lauded after league final and Munster final. Who was calling them awful before the first game? Nobody."
Kerry going full tilt against a Dublin team operating at about 60% efficiency and they won by a point.
Cork and Galway had loads of chances against Kerry but lacked belief.
Mayo beat them but needed a replay to do it.
Advantage Dublin.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts:851 - 28/08/2017 13:32:36   2039309

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Dubs are going to be huge favourites but history will tell you it's going to be a tighter game than many predict

2012 All-Ireland Semi Final: Mayo 0-19 - 0-16 Dublin

2013 All-Ireland Final: Dublin 2-12 - 1-14 Mayo

2015 All-Ireland Semi Final: Dublin 2-12 - 1-15 Mayo

2015 All-Ireland Semi Final Replay: Dublin 3-15 - 1-14 Mayo

2016 All-Ireland Final: Mayo 0-15 - 2-9 Dublin

2016 All-Ireland Final Replay: Dublin 1-15 - 1-14 Mayo.

apart from the 2015 replay there has never been more than a kick off a ball between these two teams.

Hopefully it will be another cracker

2winjustonce (Mayo) - Posts:65 - 28/08/2017 14:28:34   2039367

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Dublin are a class team and great to watch but they will earn it against Mayo. Mayo will not be wondering after the game what if, because they will go for it...........unlike Tyrone. It may or may not be good enough but if it is a patch on last years game it will be a cracker.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts:434 - 28/08/2017 14:40:02   2039379

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Replying To 2winjustonce:  "Dubs are going to be huge favourites but history will tell you it's going to be a tighter game than many predict

2012 All-Ireland Semi Final: Mayo 0-19 - 0-16 Dublin

2013 All-Ireland Final: Dublin 2-12 - 1-14 Mayo

2015 All-Ireland Semi Final: Dublin 2-12 - 1-15 Mayo

2015 All-Ireland Semi Final Replay: Dublin 3-15 - 1-14 Mayo

2016 All-Ireland Final: Mayo 0-15 - 2-9 Dublin

2016 All-Ireland Final Replay: Dublin 1-15 - 1-14 Mayo.

apart from the 2015 replay there has never been more than a kick off a ball between these two teams.

Hopefully it will be another cracker"
The standout stat for me is that Mayo have matched Dublin in terms of point scoring but Dublin have scored a lot of goals in these games. This would suggest to me that it is vital Mayo concede no goals if they are to win. Mind you its not an easy task stopping Dublin scoring goals.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts:939 - 28/08/2017 14:40:59   2039380

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How do we think Mayo will set up lads, last year it was all out defense which served them well yet they weren't able to get the scores necessary to get over the line.

This year we have seen them get back to their more traditional running game and perhaps play more openly and expansively, do we think they will play to this strength and go toe to toe or to sit back with a balcket?

One area i think Dublin may get a bit of joy is pushing up on Clarks kick outs, great keeper as he is he is prone to making errors or taking risky decisions with his kick outs. I think we will go with the high press. Surely Clark starts right?

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts:953 - 28/08/2017 14:44:03   2039381

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Dublin at 2/5 or cover the 3 point handicap sounds about right. This MAyo team don't lie down or cant be considered bottlers but as in all the finals they aren't the best team in the country. Barring an early Dublin red card, Dublin will certainly win this.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts:2137 - 28/08/2017 15:15:42   2039401

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Replying To TheUsername:  "How do we think Mayo will set up lads, last year it was all out defense which served them well yet they weren't able to get the scores necessary to get over the line.

This year we have seen them get back to their more traditional running game and perhaps play more openly and expansively, do we think they will play to this strength and go toe to toe or to sit back with a balcket?

One area i think Dublin may get a bit of joy is pushing up on Clarks kick outs, great keeper as he is he is prone to making errors or taking risky decisions with his kick outs. I think we will go with the high press. Surely Clark starts right?"
I think it unlikely that there will be a last minute goalkeeper switch by Mayo this year!!

imonmyway (Mayo) - Posts:43 - 28/08/2017 15:27:35   2039409

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Recent clashes between these teams have all taken on lives of their own and I expect Mayo will give Dublin a right good rattle as always. To win though, they will need massive performances from their key men: Keegan, Boyle, Higgins, AOS, Cillian O'Connor and Andy Moran, and they also cannot afford any giveaways or blunders like the own goals and the penalty last year. I think it will come down to the last quarter and how Mayo cope with the Dublin subs. The quality on the Dublin bench is staggering and their subs usually make a big impact against tiring opponents.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts:704 - 28/08/2017 16:03:02   2039430

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "The standout stat for me is that Mayo have matched Dublin in terms of point scoring but Dublin have scored a lot of goals in these games. This would suggest to me that it is vital Mayo concede no goals if they are to win. Mind you its not an easy task stopping Dublin scoring goals."
Mayo gave them a hand in the goal scoring last year!

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts:296 - 28/08/2017 16:41:14   2039447

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Replying To TheUsername:  "How do we think Mayo will set up lads, last year it was all out defense which served them well yet they weren't able to get the scores necessary to get over the line.

This year we have seen them get back to their more traditional running game and perhaps play more openly and expansively, do we think they will play to this strength and go toe to toe or to sit back with a balcket?

One area i think Dublin may get a bit of joy is pushing up on Clarks kick outs, great keeper as he is he is prone to making errors or taking risky decisions with his kick outs. I think we will go with the high press. Surely Clark starts right?"
Oh! they got the scores alright the first day, more than Dublin. Unfortunately for them, two of the goals were for the Dubs.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts:959 - 28/08/2017 16:45:52   2039451

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Replying To seanfinn:  "Mayo gave them a hand in the goal scoring last year!"
Doesn't matter what way the goals come they all count !

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts:1110 - 28/08/2017 16:56:45   2039461

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You always hear the cliche that it takes a good team to win 1 all-ireland, and a great team to win two. This has been a great Mayo side 2011-2017, and their achievements this decade have now surpassed those of Donegal & Kerry from the familiar 'top 4' of this '10s decade imo. Regardless of Sam count, Mayo's longevity at the top spanning 7 seasons now, marks them out as a special side in football history. With Dublin poised to be named the greatest side ever, it's not stretching it to suggest that Mayo might be the second best side ever, with a third final loss in 5 seasons looming against the goat.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts:1856 - 28/08/2017 17:25:33   2039477

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Replying To seanfinn:  "Mayo gave them a hand in the goal scoring last year!"
True, there was 2 own goals in the drawn game wasn't there. Actually Mayo should win this pulling up lol.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts:939 - 28/08/2017 17:30:49   2039481

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "You always hear the cliche that it takes a good team to win 1 all-ireland, and a great team to win two. This has been a great Mayo side 2011-2017, and their achievements this decade have now surpassed those of Donegal & Kerry from the familiar 'top 4' of this '10s decade imo. Regardless of Sam count, Mayo's longevity at the top spanning 7 seasons now, marks them out as a special side in football history. With Dublin poised to be named the greatest side ever, it's not stretching it to suggest that Mayo might be the second best side ever, with a third final loss in 5 seasons looming against the goat."
I would class this mayo team as one of the great teams, once in a generation team, problem is there two teams like that now. And dubs aren't just great, they that little bit more

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:11965 - 28/08/2017 18:03:09   2039497

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a very tough call but possibly mayo, based on what rochford saw unfold before his eyes yesterday I think he will be certainly be changing his game to make sure they aren't caught flat footed like tyrone

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts:260 - 28/08/2017 18:05:14   2039500

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Replying To Condorman:  "Kerry going full tilt against a Dublin team operating at about 60% efficiency and they won by a point.
Cork and Galway had loads of chances against Kerry but lacked belief.
Mayo beat them but needed a replay to do it.
Advantage Dublin."
????? Totally missing the point. I'm not denying Dublin are favourites. And I am not saying Dublin were good in the league final. I was responding to a poster who said Kerry are a poor team. Nobody said they were poor until last weekend. Nothing to do with Dublin.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts:5423 - 28/08/2017 19:36:45   2039565

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "????? Totally missing the point. I'm not denying Dublin are favourites. And I am not saying Dublin were good in the league final. I was responding to a poster who said Kerry are a poor team. Nobody said they were poor until last weekend. Nothing to do with Dublin."
Kerry were poor in both games against Mayo.A long way off their performance in the semi final against Dublin last year.It was a mistake last Saturday to drop James O'Donoghue.Kerry's best chance would have been as an attacking team rather than trying the sweeper which doesn't suit them.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts:622 - 28/08/2017 20:34:23   2039596

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Mayo management team have 20 days to work out a counter-system to combat the Dublin 'patient hand pass' tactic of play (I can't think of a better name for it ATM)

Good luck to the Mayo management team!

sam2008 (Tyrone) - Posts:761 - 28/08/2017 21:18:47   2039627

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Replying To sam2008:  "Mayo management team have 20 days to work out a counter-system to combat the Dublin 'patient hand pass' tactic of play (I can't think of a better name for it ATM)

Good luck to the Mayo management team!"
What makes you think Dublin will play like that against Mayo? Horses for courses.

DannyMcA (Dublin) - Posts:172 - 28/08/2017 21:34:14   2039642

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Replying To 2winjustonce:  "Dubs are going to be huge favourites but history will tell you it's going to be a tighter game than many predict

2012 All-Ireland Semi Final: Mayo 0-19 - 0-16 Dublin

2013 All-Ireland Final: Dublin 2-12 - 1-14 Mayo

2015 All-Ireland Semi Final: Dublin 2-12 - 1-15 Mayo

2015 All-Ireland Semi Final Replay: Dublin 3-15 - 1-14 Mayo

2016 All-Ireland Final: Mayo 0-15 - 2-9 Dublin

2016 All-Ireland Final Replay: Dublin 1-15 - 1-14 Mayo.

apart from the 2015 replay there has never been more than a kick off a ball between these two teams.

Hopefully it will be another cracker"
Analysis Mayo concede too many goals 6 matches 10 goals conceded 1.67 avg

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts:190 - 28/08/2017 21:54:33   2039666

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