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Can the GAA survive the Rugby onslaught

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Well in fairness it is a gaa forum and we have an area for ither sports in the non gaa section so"
The title is 'Can the GAA survive the Rugby onslaught'


It is was 'Can Rugby survive the GAA onslaught' would you put it on the GAA forum?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7343 - 22/11/2016 16:04:36    1936015

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Tom Smith (here),

"But back to the discussion i feel thatour National game is being sidelined by the ruggers and the other exponents of ---------- ie the beautiful game boys
Lets support out own National game and ???? the rest"

You mean hurling?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 22/11/2016 16:30:05    1936019

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Well in fairness it is a gaa forum and we have an area for ither sports in the non gaa section so"
Yes, so I believe. It is a topic relating to the GAA so it is relevant hear IMO.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 22/11/2016 17:19:10    1936037

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if rte wasn't based where it is, rugby would exist in the same light as cricket does for most of Dublin
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11421 - 22/11/2016 16:01:45

i dont think thats correct - while im not goign to diss cricket its very skillful and requires a lot of bravery , while living in dublin in went to a few cricket internationals, rugby gets far better support
in a lot of cases it gets better support than whichever of the two gaa sports is the least popular

Posted this on another thread but its relevant here
People go on here about munster fans ...bandwagon etc. ... yet compared to whichever of the two main gaa sports comes come 2nd in most counties the attandences are fairly comparable

look at munster rugby support versus dublin hurlers
pro 12 game in cork gets 6k - their footballers dont get that
e.g. this year in football championship limerick v clare got 3500 tipp v waterford got 2k, tipp v cork got 3000, kerry hurlers support,

in terms of playing numbers and clubs - gaa both sports are ahead by a mile but in terms of support rugby is comparable to the 2nd sport in most cases"

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 22/11/2016 17:30:28    1936040

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yeah I know the title related to gaa and hence why it was dicussed here, but the thread slipped out of buisness and was brought back up with a conversation about the anthems in rugby haha hardly stayed on topic hence why its more of a thread now for non sports section now.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/11/2016 18:00:49    1936050

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janesboro
so if as you say its rugby is comparable to the least popualr gaa sport in each county
why does it deserve the massive coverage it currenty recieves nationally from the media?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/11/2016 18:47:11    1936062

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why does it deserve the massive coverage it currenty recieves nationally from the media?
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11423 - 22/11/2016 18:47:11 19

it gets coverage in newspapers - because want to read about it - if they did not want to read about it newspaper sales would suffer and the
it gets coverage on tv and radio because people want to watch it/listen to it - if they did not then the viewing figures and listening figures would be down and the tv and radio stations would no longer cover it

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 22/11/2016 19:51:32    1936078

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Crudot

Tomsmith here from County Cavan

As the one that started this post to highlight the power that jurno's ( who tend to be from the Haughtey Taughtey side of life) have in Ireland in promoting an non Irish game I feel that this imbalance should be highlighted
If you look at most ruggers fellows in town who are the ???
Most from a certain section of the community who would like a little bit of parsley sprinkled on the spuds at dinner time. Dinner time is usually 7pm for these people not 1pm like the rest of us
But back to the discussion i feel thatour National game is being sidelined by the ruggers and the other exponents of ---------- ie the beautiful game boys
Lets support out own National game and ???? the rest"
Answer this Tom. Yes or No answer.

The GAA top brass in their ivory tower might get to push through proposals for so-called lesser counties to amalgamate to have teams to compete against 'bigger' counties or put them in an intermediate championship ensuring lower standard football. I think this will lead to a drop in GAA interest for many deciding what sport to play/support, both young and old.

Hypothetically, if this drove many current and potentially new GAA people to Rugby or Soccer, would you blame Rugby or Soccer or would you blame the GAA.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7343 - 22/11/2016 19:52:42    1936079

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "janesboro
so if as you say its rugby is comparable to the least popualr gaa sport in each county
why does it deserve the massive coverage it currenty recieves nationally from the media?"
i am only saying its comparable in terms of crowds at matches - obviously both hurling and football and soccer will dwarf rugby in terms of no of players competing and no of clubs- but to compare rugby to cricket in terms of audience is incorrect

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 22/11/2016 20:00:49    1936081

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Yeah , and if you keep posting about it ironically it will remain a popular topic.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 22/11/2016 20:39:11    1936090

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Replying To janesboro:  "why does it deserve the massive coverage it currenty recieves nationally from the media?
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11423 - 22/11/2016 18:47:11 19

it gets coverage in newspapers - because want to read about it - if they did not want to read about it newspaper sales would suffer and the
it gets coverage on tv and radio because people want to watch it/listen to it - if they did not then the viewing figures and listening figures would be down and the tv and radio stations would no longer cover it"
But people don't like the government yet they voted them back in, maybe sometimes there's no alternative and the people actually buy the newspaper for the other stuff in it, just saying, I get herald newspaper it has a day where it prioritizes each sport, yet covers main days headlines also, pity national ones don't follow suit. But hey nearly all our national media are subsidarys from across the sea so

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/11/2016 20:54:32    1936095

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Replying To janesboro:  "i am only saying its comparable in terms of crowds at matches - obviously both hurling and football and soccer will dwarf rugby in terms of no of players competing and no of clubs- but to compare rugby to cricket in terms of audience is incorrect"
On the northside of Dublin it's very much comparable to cricket and tennis

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/11/2016 20:55:30    1936096

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On the northside of Dublin it's very much comparable to cricket and tennis
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11425 - 22/11/2016 20:55:30

and it munster and in all of ireland it is not, should the national media base its coverage on what the people of north dublin want ?

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 22/11/2016 21:31:34    1936112

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But people don't like the government yet they voted them back in, maybe sometimes there's no alternative and the people actually buy the newspaper for the other stuff in it, just saying,
sometime there is an alternative - if rte are showing a rugby match - you can decide not to watch it -if enough people follow suit maybe they will in future decide not to show rugby

. But hey nearly all our national media are subsidarys from across the sea so
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11425 - 22/11/2016 20:54:32 1936095 [/b
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is rte uk owned? is the irish times and the irish independent and the examiner uk owned , all four of them to be fair do a lot of gaa coverage , examiner of a monday is brilliant

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 22/11/2016 21:35:27    1936114

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Replying To janesboro:  "But people don't like the government yet they voted them back in, maybe sometimes there's no alternative and the people actually buy the newspaper for the other stuff in it, just saying,
sometime there is an alternative - if rte are showing a rugby match - you can decide not to watch it -if enough people follow suit maybe they will in future decide not to show rugby

. But hey nearly all our national media are subsidarys from across the sea so
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11425 - 22/11/2016 20:54:32 1936095 [/b

is rte uk owned? is the irish times and the irish independent and the examiner uk owned , all four of them to be fair do a lot of gaa coverage , examiner of a monday is brilliant"]They more or less are British owned yes.
There's 4 media companies that own the world's media and they are American and British so yeah the ones you named aren't really irish owned they pander to a higher agenda

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/11/2016 23:16:18    1936130

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Replying To janesboro:  "On the northside of Dublin it's very much comparable to cricket and tennis
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11425 - 22/11/2016 20:55:30

and it munster and in all of ireland it is not, should the national media base its coverage on what the people of north dublin want ?"
Simple answer yes.
long answer if they based it on what the people wanted then the gaa should be the most covered sport shouldn't it as its the biggest sport in ireland

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/11/2016 23:18:07    1936131

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Replying To janesboro:  "why does it deserve the massive coverage it currenty recieves nationally from the media?
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11423 - 22/11/2016 18:47:11 19

it gets coverage in newspapers - because want to read about it - if they did not want to read about it newspaper sales would suffer and the
it gets coverage on tv and radio because people want to watch it/listen to it - if they did not then the viewing figures and listening figures would be down and the tv and radio stations would no longer cover it"
There's a lot of brutal chart music on the radio nowadays. How did it become so mainstream? Media. Most people don't want to have to think too much for themselves about their tastes...put something in front of them on a daily basis & many will decide that they like it. Same thing with the EPL. Throw enough crap at a wall & eventually some will stick. It's propaganda in a different guise. And you can be sure someone is getting rich off the back of it.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 23/11/2016 00:41:22    1936144

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "On the northside of Dublin it's very much comparable to cricket and tennis"
Like comparing the attendances at rugby and hurling games in Alaska. Or comparing a 'newspaper' read by few outside of The Pale to our national newspapers.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7343 - 23/11/2016 01:17:15    1936146

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A very interestong piece in the irish independent today, maybe the hoganstand posters are getting through to some journalists.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/martin-breheny-drink-deal-hypocrisy-is-rampant-in-irish-sport-35237382.html

here is a main part taken from the article.
If one brand doesn't suit, there are always lots of alternatives. I was reminded of that in Lansdowne Road last Saturday for the Ireland-New Zealand rugby Test.
It was part of the 'Guinness Series', a commercial handle attached to Ireland's November internationals. Fair enough. Modern-day sport worldwide is wrapped in layers of sponsorship so why shouldn't the IRFU sup happily with the Guinness people?
There are, of course, arguments over the morality of allowing alcoholic drink companies sponsor sport. France have banned it since 1991 and pressure is growing elsewhere for a similar approach.
For now, though, it's legal in Ireland and Britain so the IRFU and Pro12 are entitled to line up their deals. Guinness, in turn, are merely doing a job to promote their product when they adorn Lansdowne Road with advertising. Subtle it certainly wasn't.
A giant on-pitch Guinness inflatable swayed in the evening breeze before the game, while the company name was also emblazoned on the halfway line and behind both sets of posts. Naturally, the post pads were emblazoned too while the name flickered repeatedly on the advertising hoardings.
However, let us backtrack to the period when Guinness were sponsoring the hurling championships. From the day they came aboard in 1995 to when they departed in 2013, the GAA were regularly attacked for dealing with a drinks company.
Every year, without fail, the launch of the championship was followed by a blitz of criticism on how the GAA were allegedly corrupting the social fabric of the country through their deal with Guinness. Now, the GAA never had the Guinness name emblazoned on pitches or posts (imagine the apoplexy that would have caused?) but the sponsorship was still targeted relentlessly and vociferously by doctors, politicians, various lobby groups and assorted others. There was internal criticism too, led by former GAA president Dr Mick Loftus.
A man of the highest honour and integrity, he argued passionately (and still does) for an end to all sports sponsorship by alcoholic drinks companies. But what of the others?
Have you read or heard much criticism of the IRFU for taking the drink shilling? Were radio phone-in programmes jammed with callers protesting over Guinness' huge presence in and around Lansdowne Road last Saturday?
So why the double standards? Where are the many doctors and others who had plenty to say about the GAA, yet appear tongue-tied when it comes to rugby? Actually, this isn't double standards anymore - it's sheer bloody hypocrisy.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/11/2016 14:51:49    1936264

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "A very interestong piece in the irish independent today, maybe the hoganstand posters are getting through to some journalists.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/martin-breheny-drink-deal-hypocrisy-is-rampant-in-irish-sport-35237382.html

here is a main part taken from the article.
If one brand doesn't suit, there are always lots of alternatives. I was reminded of that in Lansdowne Road last Saturday for the Ireland-New Zealand rugby Test.
It was part of the 'Guinness Series', a commercial handle attached to Ireland's November internationals. Fair enough. Modern-day sport worldwide is wrapped in layers of sponsorship so why shouldn't the IRFU sup happily with the Guinness people?
There are, of course, arguments over the morality of allowing alcoholic drink companies sponsor sport. France have banned it since 1991 and pressure is growing elsewhere for a similar approach.
For now, though, it's legal in Ireland and Britain so the IRFU and Pro12 are entitled to line up their deals. Guinness, in turn, are merely doing a job to promote their product when they adorn Lansdowne Road with advertising. Subtle it certainly wasn't.
A giant on-pitch Guinness inflatable swayed in the evening breeze before the game, while the company name was also emblazoned on the halfway line and behind both sets of posts. Naturally, the post pads were emblazoned too while the name flickered repeatedly on the advertising hoardings.
However, let us backtrack to the period when Guinness were sponsoring the hurling championships. From the day they came aboard in 1995 to when they departed in 2013, the GAA were regularly attacked for dealing with a drinks company.
Every year, without fail, the launch of the championship was followed by a blitz of criticism on how the GAA were allegedly corrupting the social fabric of the country through their deal with Guinness. Now, the GAA never had the Guinness name emblazoned on pitches or posts (imagine the apoplexy that would have caused?) but the sponsorship was still targeted relentlessly and vociferously by doctors, politicians, various lobby groups and assorted others. There was internal criticism too, led by former GAA president Dr Mick Loftus.
A man of the highest honour and integrity, he argued passionately (and still does) for an end to all sports sponsorship by alcoholic drinks companies. But what of the others?
Have you read or heard much criticism of the IRFU for taking the drink shilling? Were radio phone-in programmes jammed with callers protesting over Guinness' huge presence in and around Lansdowne Road last Saturday?
So why the double standards? Where are the many doctors and others who had plenty to say about the GAA, yet appear tongue-tied when it comes to rugby? Actually, this isn't double standards anymore - it's sheer bloody hypocrisy."
Rugby are smart enough to pay spindoctors and marketing people good money to put their game into a positive light to bring in revenue and give players decent contracts. No doubt having influential friends with rugby connections helps them with things like keeping Guinness sponsorship.

The GAA should use some of it's connections and spend a few quid on marketing the games, putting a positive spin on them too I reckon.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7343 - 23/11/2016 17:27:44    1936292

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