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Replying To TheHermit:  "There is so much wrong with that post Cue, I don't know where to begin.

Yes I am what you would probably call a traditionalist when it comes to this Championship restructure debate. I have said on here numerous times that the provincial system should and must be accommodated. That's my opinion and I see nothing wrong with expressing it.

And yes Cue, a Munster final on a balmy Sunday afternoon in July in Killarney, with the stands full of swathes of Kerry and Cork fans and both counties going at it hammer and thongs does excite me!! And if you understood the Kerry/Cork thing believe me it would excite you too. The problem with you Dublin boys is you expect to be seen as our biggest rivals and can't understand that while the Dublin/Kerry thing rares up every couple of decades, Cork/Kerry is going on for 120 years+

Your accusation that it is somehow Kerry's fault about the standard of the other 4 counties is ludicrous. How are we meant to be held responsible for what happens in other places?
You seem to see Munster and Leinster as the same, they're not. There are huge historical, sporting and socio-economical differences between these two provinces. Kilkenny is arguably the one hurling county in Leinster. In Munster, all bar Kerry would consider themselves hurling counties. That has obviously had an impact on how they view and treat the football code and a knock on effect in terms of how competitive they are.
Leinster has become a dead duck for what I would argue are artificial reasons, which have been well flagged on here ad nauseum.

I would also say your reply shows a complete ignorance and disrespect of what the Munster football championships is actually like. If you look back at Kerry's wins over the Clares, Tipp and Limericks over the past 15 years, it might surprise you how close those games where especially compared to what Dublin have been doing in Leinster.

Ya maybe the 4 others havn't won a Munster title in a long long time, but they have always played hard and tried to (and most of the time succeed) in giving Kerry a game over the years. When's the last time a Leinster team did that to ye???

Is the fact the likes of Clare and Tipperary managed to be in a Q-final last year at least some small evidence for those looking in that they aren't actually too bad at football.

It is just arrogance on Dublin's part to think that just because they have contrived to make the Leinster Championship a laughing stock that the rest of us should all do away with our own provincial competitions.

The League is the League, the Championship is football."
Delusional,my Kerry friend.Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.And ye have had that power for 125 long years.Your so long feasting on Munster's bony carcass that you can't see how stale and predictable it has always been.One game v Cork a year and the Kingdom's appetite is sated.All hail this monstrously brilliant one - game competition!There are none so blind as those who choose not to see.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 09/02/2017 18:58:13    1954125

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Il sit back and let Cue and the hermit go at it for two days ;)
Any one hazard a guess on the attendance of the dub vs Tyrone game? Tickets printed and waiting in the Tyrone team to be named......really looking forward to it!!!!

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 09/02/2017 20:19:53    1954170

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Il sit back and let Cue and the hermit go at it for two days ;)
Any one hazard a guess on the attendance of the dub vs Tyrone game? Tickets printed and waiting in the Tyrone team to be named......really looking forward to it!!!!"
I'll hazard a guess ; 32,000.Wrap up warm pal because even a fridge is gonna feel this cutting cold snap.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 09/02/2017 20:32:35    1954178

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Tyrone v @DubGAAOfficial
Morgan
Hampsey,McNamee,McCarron
TMcCann,Harte,Monroe
CCav&McNulty;
Meyler,Sludden,McClure
McCurry,McShane,O'Neill

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 09/02/2017 20:44:33    1954185

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Cue I understand your philosophy but I'm going to go with the Hermit on this one, in an ideal world, the league would be the man, but tradition has it that its not. The league fixtures are more attractive on paper than a lot of provincial championship games but reality is that they don't live long in the memory because they are less prestigious glory wise.
When the league is gone, its gone (as the ad says) but a championship defeat will leave you crying into your cornflakes the next morning.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 09/02/2017 21:37:54    1954207

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Replying To realdub:  "Cue I understand your philosophy but I'm going to go with the Hermit on this one, in an ideal world, the league would be the man, but tradition has it that its not. The league fixtures are more attractive on paper than a lot of provincial championship games but reality is that they don't live long in the memory because they are less prestigious glory wise.
When the league is gone, its gone (as the ad says) but a championship defeat will leave you crying into your cornflakes the next morning."
Equity and good competition trumps tradition for me,but each to their own.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 09/02/2017 21:50:27    1954210

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Replying To cuederocket:  "Equity and good competition trumps tradition for me,but each to their own."
The Munster hurling and Ulster football championships are fair,hard fought,exciting and have a decent spread of different winners down through the years.I have been to numerous Munster hurling finals.I enjoy the unpredictability of it with lots of evenly matched,good teams vying for the big prize.Munster football,bar Cork v Kerry,does not have that same fascination for me.The complete opposite,in fact.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 09/02/2017 22:15:40    1954220

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Replying To cuederocket:  "Equity and good competition trumps tradition for me,but each to their own."
What is our Association and what are our games without the tradition that makes them unique?

Looks like we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 09/02/2017 22:32:11    1954223

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Replying To TheHermit:  "What is our Association and what are our games without the tradition that makes them unique?

Looks like we will just have to agree to disagree on this one."
What good is tradition to Waterford,Tipp,Clare and Limericks' footballers in Munster?Bar the extremely rare big win,like Tipp v Cork last year,has tradition been a good thing or a burden to them?

Yes,the Munster football final between Cork and Kerry is a great day in the GAA calender and has a lot of history attached.I always watch it and some of the games have been memorable.

But is it enough to say the Munster football championship,as a whole,is a healthy competition?Has it ever been?I don't think it is.Far from it.I'm trying to look at the bigger picture.At what might work better for the weaker teams in all provinces.

I don't like knocking the other four counties in Munster,i actually feel sympathy for them,stuck in a rut of defeat after defeat.Year after year.Decade after decade.It's not their fault,they are predominantly hurling counties and that won't ever change.And neither will Kerryyand Cork's dominance (and Kerry's dominance over Cork) if nothing is done about it.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 09/02/2017 23:10:04    1954229

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Hi lads I being reading your comments for the last year, give credit where credit is due , the dubs are the team to beat, when in the 90 and winning nothing , there was nobody talking , they have a great team now and it's up to the rest of Ireland to beat them , what I see you play bad and win , that a sign of a great team , so until the rest catches up with them , please don't talk rubbish ,

Horsebox42 (Monaghan) - Posts: 2 - 10/02/2017 03:24:07    1954243

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The league has turned into a great competition, fixtures are far better than the provincial phoney war of the championship.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 10/02/2017 09:23:42    1954268

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Don't believe the lack of hype, the best fixture in Div1 football by far this weekend is in Castleblaney (or is that Clones...)
We will have a David and Goliath contest here that puts a real Ulster heavyweight up against an emerging team who have some very good players of their own now.
Expect a win-at-all-costs battle with no quarter given. The heavyweights to prevail all the same and take the 2 points back to Cavan.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 10/02/2017 12:01:01    1954321

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The league i think is gaining an increasing prestige, not sure will it ever come with the umph of an All Ireland particularly with the proposed change in structure after the provincials which will hopefully sort out the historical imbalances somewhat in the easy passage through the provinces.

But the league has come on leaps and bounds, both for counties in terms of competitiveness and increasing value and as a spectacle and entertainment. Rather hen it being the old prep for the championship or the new best competition i think its stature has just risen and is of becoming of increasing value for counties and for fans. Im somewhat surprised about the amount of media coverage of the league this year and also the hype and expectation especially the early pressure or media lash back on the back of a bad Mayo result.

Changing times and growing staure for me, not quite what it was but not quite and prob never will be on a par with the Championship.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 10/02/2017 13:42:15    1954375

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Replying To TheUsername:  "The league i think is gaining an increasing prestige, not sure will it ever come with the umph of an All Ireland particularly with the proposed change in structure after the provincials which will hopefully sort out the historical imbalances somewhat in the easy passage through the provinces.

But the league has come on leaps and bounds, both for counties in terms of competitiveness and increasing value and as a spectacle and entertainment. Rather hen it being the old prep for the championship or the new best competition i think its stature has just risen and is of becoming of increasing value for counties and for fans. Im somewhat surprised about the amount of media coverage of the league this year and also the hype and expectation especially the early pressure or media lash back on the back of a bad Mayo result.

Changing times and growing staure for me, not quite what it was but not quite and prob never will be on a par with the Championship."
It is only goin to get bigger and better,i feel.Many people are bored with the predictability of the provincial championships.There is nothing predictable about the four national leagues.It is fantastic entertainment for two months.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 10/02/2017 14:06:28    1954391

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Replying To cuederocket:  "It is only goin to get bigger and better,i feel.Many people are bored with the predictability of the provincial championships.There is nothing predictable about the four national leagues.It is fantastic entertainment for two months."
I agree cuederocket, the league is a fantastic competition but not given enough emphasis by the GAA. I actually think the games in the league are much better as a spectacle than the championship. Look at the fixtures this weekend, Dublin v Tyrone and Kerry v Mayo, absolutely mouth watering games.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1874 - 10/02/2017 16:32:32    1954455

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "I agree cuederocket, the league is a fantastic competition but not given enough emphasis by the GAA. I actually think the games in the league are much better as a spectacle than the championship. Look at the fixtures this weekend, Dublin v Tyrone and Kerry v Mayo, absolutely mouth watering games."
Two excellent games in store alright.
Top 4 in the country and all will hope to lay down a marker for the Summer ahead.

Think Kerry will beat Mayo.

Tyrone could well prevail in Croker tomorrow night.

The Dubs have secured 30 unbeaten games in both League and Championship
Reaching that milestone of the big
Three O is some achievement.

If we are to lose then I would much prefer it to be in the League and not in the latter end of the Championship. It would also give us extra incentive to beat that county should we meet in the Summer.

Our unbeaten record will be shattered sooner or later, so let it be in the League.

Regarding Tyrone - they will be missing 2 star players through injury, but are still a formidable outfit. A great test all round.

If we win I will be delighted but if we lose I won't be too despondent. Our very late return to training this year is aimed at one thing an one thing only - SAM....

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 10/02/2017 20:14:08    1954512

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Dubs team Vs Tyrone

1. Stephen Cluxton (Parnells)
2. Philly McMahon (Ballymun Kickhams)
3. Michael Fitzsimons (Cuala)
4. Eric Lowndes (St. Peregrines)
5. James McCarthy (Ballymun Kickhams)
6. John Small (Ballymun Kickhams)
7. Jack McCaffrey (Clontarf)
8. Brian Fenton (Raheny)
9. Michael D. Macauley (Ballyboden St. Endas)
10. Niall Scully (Templeogue Synge St.)
11. Paul Mannion (Kilmacud Crokes)
12. Ciaran Kilkenny (Castleknock)
13. Jason Whelan (Ballymun Kickhams)
14. Eoghan O'Gara (Templeogue Synge St.)
15. Dean Rock (Ballymun Kickhams)

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 10/02/2017 23:03:31    1954560

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Dublin by 9 cant see Tyrone even getting into the game without mattie donnelly. i rate him second best midfielder in country behind fenton so a big miss he makes them tick... Dublin just a class team all round and forget about playing a running game against them for 70 mins

Cavanlife (Cavan) - Posts: 54 - 10/02/2017 23:15:19    1954565

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Dubs team Vs Tyrone

1. Stephen Cluxton (Parnells)
2. Philly McMahon (Ballymun Kickhams)
3. Michael Fitzsimons (Cuala)
4. Eric Lowndes (St. Peregrines)
5. James McCarthy (Ballymun Kickhams)
6. John Small (Ballymun Kickhams)
7. Jack McCaffrey (Clontarf)
8. Brian Fenton (Raheny)
9. Michael D. Macauley (Ballyboden St. Endas)
10. Niall Scully (Templeogue Synge St.)
11. Paul Mannion (Kilmacud Crokes)
12. Ciaran Kilkenny (Castleknock)
13. Jason Whelan (Ballymun Kickhams)
14. Eoghan O'Gara (Templeogue Synge St.)
15. Dean Rock (Ballymun Kickhams)"
Is Cooper named on the team or whats up with him? He really made full back his own last year.

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts: 285 - 10/02/2017 23:49:56    1954574

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I don't think Tyrone will end the dubs winning run this weekend for a few reasons. Firstly having watched them Sunday v roscommon they were continually opened up through the centre by good roscommon running. A stronger running team with more clinical forwards like Dublin could knock in a few goals. Secondly Tyrone full back line were second to almost every possession that was played in. They looked like there was a lack of pace in there. Something roscommon did not exploit. Lastly roscommons attempts at sweeping were very poor at times and a team with a more honed defensive plan could snuff out the Tyrone attack. For me Tyrone have a good bit of work to do to get out of 4th place.

Jonnycee (Longford) - Posts: 185 - 11/02/2017 03:08:04    1954594

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