Is there one good ref in Cork???, your checkin the programme now to see where the ref is from (if he is from Cork), rather than who he is

hurlinhand95 (Offaly) - Posts: 17 - 02/07/2012 09:32:14    1206994

It does seem easier to make the refs panel than to get taken off it. Look everyone makes mistakes and a lot of calls are marginal but some calls are terrible ie Collins blowing for half time yesterday. I blame the how they are assessed and monitored

lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 02/07/2012 10:27:45    1207106

The ref in the Wexford Dublin game was actually embarrassimg!!

Forget the.sending off.....Ben Brosnan must have dived at least 8 times and got at least 8 frees. He 'd run towards a Dublin player and throw himself to the.ground.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 02/07/2012 12:12:48    1207184

The ref in the Wexford Dublin game was actually embarrassimg!!

Forget the.sending off.....Ben Brosnan must have dived at least 8 times and got at least 8 frees. He 'd run towards a Dublin player and throw himself to the.ground.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 02/07/2012 12:13:01    1207186

JayP
County: Dublin
Posts: 10

Seems to be a standard attacking move, way is blocked by three defenders, charge head down into them and then drop to the ground - free, penalty whatever, rubbish.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4968 - 02/07/2012 14:16:00    1207349

I blame Paul Galvin.

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 02/07/2012 14:32:50    1207364

Dublin got those frees too JayP,dont kid yourself by thinking otherwise.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 02/07/2012 14:33:48    1207366

The standards are a hell of a lot better than what they were. People have stop doing a Pat Spillane and take over those tinted glasses.

If was noticeable yesterday that the complaints about refs were coming from the players and/or management of Louth, Kildare and Derry.

All three had one thing in common yesterday??? Can anyone guess????

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 02/07/2012 14:35:48    1207372

Pinkie
Co.Wexford

Mr.Pinkie your comments and views on referees is so bias I wouldn't be bothered reading anything you have to say on the topic any more.

The referee is always right even when he is wrong would appear to be something we have to accept within the games.

How many of today's referees have ever played football at inter-county level ?.

How many have played football at a level of intermediate or higher ?.

How many never played football beyond that which they played at school ?.

I'll even bet that there are referees overseeing games who never kicked a ball in a meaningful competitive game in their entire life.

When Derek Fahy sent off two Louth player on Saturday evening he single handedly wrecked any chance Louth had of progressing any further in this years championship.

The first sending off he didn't see it, he acted on the instruction of his linesmans Joe Curley (Meath) who I have no hesitation in saying didn't see the actual incident either as I was sitting in clear eye view of him and the incident which led to the sending off. Curley was looking in the other direction and only reacted to the pressure put on him from the Westmeath crowd in the stand and the theatrics's of the Westmeath no.8 John Heslin.

The second sending off a straight red was for what ? the referee didn't appear to react to the players challenge on the Westmeath player but rather to the Louth players attempt to lift the Westmeath player off the ground. I seen a similar incident in Croke Park with Cork and Mayo in the league final a few months back and not even a yellow card was given.

As one other poster has already highlighted there were a number of other incidents in the game where Westmeath players got away with tackles and persistent fouling yet no cards were issued. How the Westmeath no.11 Ger Eagan stayed on the field for the entire game is mind boggling. I even overheard Westmeath officials saying he should be taken off as he was living a charmed life and they feared he would get sent off.

Have a little look at the Westmeath goal, I counted seven steps for definite were taken, and I'd say there were eight in total before the ball was smashed to the Louth net. The game was in the melting pot at 11 points apiece with 6 minutes remaining. Louth appeared to be in the ascendancy after clawing their way back into the game with 13 men. That goal killed really them, there was no way back from that.

How anyone can come out and defend referees by saying they are only human and they make mistakes when you can have players on the other side facing suspensions or worse for letting their feeling be known is totally unfair.

I'd like to know what the GPA thinks about this or what action if any they should be taking to insure players are not being suppressed or bullied by the very same people who are turning a blind eye to some poor refereeing decisions.

squidword (Louth) - Posts: 2897 - 02/07/2012 14:51:07    1207381

I thought the ref in Aughrim was the worst ever.

And we won.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 3010 - 02/07/2012 14:54:33    1207385

witnof
County: Dublin

"The standards are a hell of a lot better than what they were. People have stop doing a Pat Spillane and take over those tinted glasses.

If was noticeable yesterday that the complaints about refs were coming from the players and/or management of Louth, Kildare and Derry.

All three had one thing in common yesterday??? Can anyone guess???? "


And what about Down's complaints last week, had they the same thing in common as Louth, Kildare and Derry ??????

squidword (Louth) - Posts: 2897 - 02/07/2012 14:55:58    1207387

The referee in Dublin Wexford gave Philly McMahon 2 of the softest frees ever given out in GAA yesterday in the first half andgave a few more out in the 2nd half, all to Dublin. I was a neutral but felt that he was poor. Reading reports of other games, Louth seemed to have got a bad deal, Collins wasn't great in Meath/Kildare game and Duffy last week in Monaghan/Down game was attrocious. The standard is a joke, the different interpretations of the undefined tackle is hilarious. There is no where you can assault the player with the ball, but that seems to be let go by some referees. Tackle has to be clearly defined at all levels, one rule and have it enforced. By the way Thomas O Connor's fisted point should not have stood because of the sq ball, he was in the square before it was kicked. New rule says you can go in after ball is kicked or played in, not before as he did. So Ger Canning was actually right unknown to himself as it seemed he had forgotten the great games while on his jaunt in Poland, informing us of the going ons of Iniesta and co.

po3nmotion (Leitrim) - Posts: 222 - 02/07/2012 15:10:18    1207417

This was to be expected.8 teams exited the C'ship this weekend.

Sure they had to blame someone.London kicked 15 wides.

And their blamin the Ref! LoL!

Louth.Poor Louth.The whole world owes Louth something.

But what is it???

fredrickwood (Roscommon) - Posts: 2871 - 02/07/2012 15:15:33    1207427

Squidword,
You probably have a case,but in fairness to my fellow county man his point is valid.You say the standard of referees is terrible,but you ask 2 questions:

How many of today's referees have ever played football at inter-county level ?.

How many have played football at a level of intermediate or higher ?.

Not many is the answer,but I'm going to ask you a question.Why do you think this is the case?

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 02/07/2012 15:22:04    1207441

fredrickwood
County: Roscommon

"This was to be expected.8 teams exited the C'ship this weekend.

Sure they had to blame someone.London kicked 15 wides.

And their blamin the Ref! LoL!

Louth.Poor Louth.The whole world owes Louth something.

But what is it???"

Poor Fred,

Was it the comments about Joe Curley that upset you ?.

You Meath lads never cease to amaze me.

squidword (Louth) - Posts: 2897 - 02/07/2012 16:12:24    1207480

I've never been so frustrated at a match before as I was at Louth v Westmeath on Saturday. I do not believe the Fahy intentionally set out to dump Louth out of the championship but that is effectively what he done. After a truly disastrous first half were he as good as finished us off he then came out in the second half and rubbed salt in the wounds. He obviously decided it would reflect badly on him if he sent more players off and this meant Westmeath players could get away with consistent fouling and high tackles with out even receiving a Yellow. In the end he did have to show another red but Heslin had to practically beg for it. On top of this we had a player pulled down for a definite penalty and a yellow card only for Fahy to ignore it all. I was gutted leaving mullingar I can't imagine how the players felt and they the ones in trouble with Croke Park.

Louth Gael (Louth) - Posts: 1227 - 02/07/2012 16:42:49    1207525

I read the first 5 lines of that squidworth, not reading any more of your moan. Maybe you should form a Louth table tennis team and start following that. Or a chess/snakes and ladders team. Rules are perfectly clear, unambiguous and the loser can have no complaints about being beaten.
Because be it rugby, soccer, hurling, football, baseball, american football, tennis (a perfect example now that hawk-eye is being used), split-second decisions have to be made, frees can be borderline and the referee will get some of them wrong - that is part of the game. Rugby is probably the best example - one referee will give more time than another for a forward to release a ball or to roll away from a ruck for example. His authority is respected by the players and his decisions not constantly questioned. If we could go down that route of respecting referees, then maybe more ex players could be enticed into refereeing.

And I will make no apologies to squidword or anyone for defending referees because say what you like about them without them we would not have a game, and the only way we will get better ones is if people start to respect them and their decisions. I havent anddont always agreed with a referees decisions either when I was playing or now that I am on the sideline, but I do respect their decisions and think some of what referees are called is only disgraceful. If it is such a simple job and they are all so useless and wrong, and it is as easy as those complaining on here claim, why dont you try doing it?

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 02/07/2012 16:43:10    1207529

In fairness Collins made a few strange calls but Flynn had to go. Persistent fouling and a mad boot. He made some errors that you wouldn't see in a junior game apart from that. Meade picking the ball off the ground was a joke.O'Connor's point standing was a disgrace. I taught Hickey done ok.

I think the problem with some of the frees is the the actual rule regarding the tackle. It's not clear enough amd each ref seems to have a different take on it. Do away with the square ball altogether and get rid of the pick up. Take time keeping and score keeping out of their hands. They shouldn't have to note a guys name at the time of booking either in the likes of croker.

Apart form that leave the guys out reffing alone. They're doing a thankless job. Maybe some teams need to look at the behaviour of their players and fans towards refs and club and county level.

If you shout at a guy enough your going to pressure him into making stupid errors.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 02/07/2012 16:44:27    1207533

watched hickey in ruislip at london v leitrim he had a shocker that day
saw collins run a line last year in an all ireland club game - shambles

the standard is definitely getting worse and nothing is getting done about it, too much politics

UniGaa (National) - Posts: 694 - 02/07/2012 16:46:21    1207536

As for Fahy sending off a louth player. Was it reid? It was a dangerous high tackle. He didn't make much contact but if he had he could have seriously injured the man. The intention was there. He then physically man handled an opponent who could have been injured. Unlucky to get a red but you can see the refs point.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 02/07/2012 16:47:00    1207537