I must be completely out of the loop with regards to the black card.

Does a black card mean a ban from your sides next game ?

The reason i ask is i see Dennis Bastick had his black card "downgraded" to just a yellow card.

If there is no ban, Why would anyone bother their backsides appealing it ? And furthermore, Why would the CCCCCCCCCCCCC take away the black card and issue a yellow one when it has no influence on future games.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13654 - 20/03/2015 15:29:56    1704812

I'd say it's because your black cards build up and can lead to a ban:

'At all levels a Black Card results in a player missing the remainder of the game.

Additionally at Senior Inter County Level:

3 x Black Cards = 1 Game suspensi

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 20/03/2015 15:34:22    1704814

The black cards add up to a suspension. Not sure if it's 2 or 3, but after that there is an automatic one game ban. Better not to have them carrying over.

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 523 - 20/03/2015 15:35:08    1704815

Sorry - left the rest out!



At all levels a Black Card results in a player missing the remainder of the game.

Additionally at Senior Inter County Level:

3 x Black Cards = 1 Game suspension

3 x Double Yellow Cards = 1 Game suspension

3 x Yellow followed by a Black Card = 1 Game suspension

OR

A Combination of all three (totalling 3) = 1 Game suspension

Only in senior inter-county league and championship games within the same year.

At All Other Levels:

3 x Double Yellows within 48 weeks = 1 game suspension

3 x Yellow followed by a Black card within 48 weeks = 1 game suspension

OR

A combination of both (totalling 3) within 48 weeks = 1 game suspension

The 1 game suspension is applicable to the next game in the Competition in which the third ordering-off occurred at all levels, except Senior inter-county League and Championship.

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 20/03/2015 15:37:35    1704818

Ah, Getcha.

Thanks for clearing that up lads.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13654 - 20/03/2015 15:41:09    1704823

I have a bit of an issue with the the appeals process. I do not want to see injustice against any player - they make huge sacrifices and deserve fair treatment. However, it seems that every player appeals every suspension. I think (need clarification on this) in English soccer if you appeal a suspension but have no evidence to support your claim (or the evidence that you provide is refuted), you have your suspension doubled. I would like to see something like that (maybe not doubled) here - maybe to make players think about appealing. I say this relying that the Cork Co. Board are perhaps the biggest culprits of this (I recall Anthony Lynch appeal a few years ago which was completely farcical and would have been the perfect case to double a suspension rather than overturn it - which was the ridiculous outcome).

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 20/03/2015 15:55:08    1704833

Unless those who administer the process are corrupt then the player has to provide evidence that definitively disproves what the player has been reported for in the referees report.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6144 - 20/03/2015 16:15:39    1704842

Bennybunny , not an automatic double , however if your defence is found to be frivolous it can backfire and lengthened , in other words think before you appeal , which seems fair to me .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 20/03/2015 17:20:30    1704871

Sure never mind that. A serious issue with the blackcards is refs not knowing when to use them. It seems to me a ref will only issue a black card if it happens within 30 yards of the opposition goal. I've seen more and more cynical challenges in the middle of the pitch and the ref only giving a free. A cynical challenge is a cynical challenge no matter where it takes place.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 21/03/2015 11:48:58    1704979

Ive always been a fan of the black card, my reasoning being that cynical fouling had gotten out of control and doing nothing and simply leaving things as they were was not an option.
My big worry was that refs wouldnt have the nerve to show it consistently and thats been the case. Only a small proportion of cynical fouls in a game result in black cards, so from that point of view it has been massively downgraded.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 21/03/2015 14:47:31    1704989

Hey lads was this the black card that bastick got against our selves in Killarney ? If so I can't see how he got it overturned, i mean if it wasn't a black card then must have been a straight red , if that tackle happend in rugby it would be a straight red I think they call it being spiked ( correct me if I'm wrong on that ) , it was practically a wrestling move. Also I was watching the Kerry v Donegal league game again last night and Micheál Murphy should have got a black or a straight red for his dangerous tackle against Johnny lyne to jump in to a man while he's that vulnerable is seriously dangerous , at another stage star was tripped right in front of the ref and ref played on and did absolutely nothing. There is a patern emerging here and it's plain to see that refs are gona let players from other teams get away with what ever they want against Kerry and I can't see us getting a fair crack of the whip at trying to retain or title. God I'm starting to sound like ulsterman :-(

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 23/03/2015 10:27:42    1705501

Cant see the logic of appealing a black card. Rather than go to trouble of attending CCC, Players also have the option of NOT using cynical fouls in two further matches(can get away with one and more if not spotted) and still not receive a suspension. Was this a ploy to try to harass/embarasse Referees. i.e If you black card OUR players we have the power to overturn them and black marks for you.

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 549 - 23/03/2015 10:48:15    1705511

I hope we dont remember 2015 for the wrong reasons, ie that we look at the game as a sideshow compared to appeals, hawkeye failures, black cards not being issued or being issued wrongly add infinitum. There is nothing more annoying than bad press and politics.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3846 - 23/03/2015 13:00:48    1705583

Players should take there medicine, but I suppose if the GAA leave gapping loopholes then players will jump through them.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 23/03/2015 15:51:31    1705670

K'boy1: I agree totally with your statement regarding Bastick.. that's was a stone wall black card and the ref got it spot on, however "Micheál Murphy should have got a black or a straight red for his dangerous tackle against Johnny lyne to jump in to a man while he's that vulnerable is seriously dangerous".. I disagree here, there is no rule within the Gaa that state a player can be challenged in the air, it is not like rugby, Murphy's eyes were on the ball, it could slide into the dangerous play category but being honest I think the ref got both calls right, both Murphy and Bastick and I fail to see how the Dubs got that card overturned... again different strokes for different folks

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 23/03/2015 16:17:10    1705684

Ya horse I probably went a bit mad there with the Murphy 1 he just totally blind sided lyne but it's not murphys place to anounce him self.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 23/03/2015 18:35:33    1705742